I've long held a dream of introducing "new" Metallica to the real Metallica and watching Cliff break a bottle of Heineken over Lars and James collective thick skulls.

This one is better...
Harvester of Sorrow live in Moscow 1991 (new window)

fark you Lars. I wouldn't buy a god damn thing you sold.

Sometimes it is indeed best to quit while you're ahead. Not that I've listened to any of their newer crap since the Napster thing anyway.

Yeah.. I was done with them after the Black album.

Cliff 'em hell!

RIP Cliff

/Loves the old skool Metallica

I wonder if James were to watch this, he'd weep, smile, or say "who's that killer band?"

Yeah.. I was done with them after the Black album Master of Puppets And Justice For All.

R.I.P. Cliff

The only member of Metallica with any musical talent.

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I saw them here a month ago for the first time. 35,000+ people. Their sound was awesome, even for an outdoor venue.

Why couldn't it have been Kirk instead...
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I remember those guys! Whatever happened to them?

20 years and you'd think Kirk would be a LOT better than he is.

"WHEE WHEE WHEE!!!! (sloppy pulloffs) WHEE WHEE WHEE (wah wah gargling) (12th position E minor pentatonic bonehead licks) WHEEEEeeeeee"

christ man... Cliff Burton was an absolute beast on the four string. It's interesting to see the three most well known bass players in Metallica and compare:

Robert Trujillo - uses his fingers and has great skills on the bass
Jason Newsted - pick player with a super-intense stage presence
Cliff Burton - amazing skills on the bass (using his fingers) with a dominating stage presence

Metallica ended up hiring two bassists that each had a part of Cliff in them, but couldn't match everything Cliff embodied. They haven't been anywhere near as great after he passed.

/still a fan

Even back then I thought they sounded like a group of constipated voles being run through a wood chipper.

godiluvbeer: christ man... Cliff Burton was an absolute beast on the four string. It's interesting to see the three most well known bass players in Metallica and compare:

Robert Trujillo - uses his fingers and has great skills on the bass
Jason Newsted - pick player with a super-intense stage presence
Cliff Burton - amazing skills on the bass (using his fingers) with a dominating stage presence

Metallica ended up hiring two bassists that each had a part of Cliff in them, but couldn't match everything Cliff embodied. They haven't been anywhere near as great after he passed.

/still a fan

They still need a lead guitarist. Bad.

GonzoNihilist: Yeah.. I was done with them after the Black album Master of Puppets And Justice For All
When they kicked out Mustaine.

I saw them a few years ago at RFK and it actually rocked. They were touring off St Anger and what I thought was funny was they played alot of old shiat like even 2 songs off Kill em All. They only play 2 songs off St Anger and both times almost the entire stadium sat down and then they would go to the old stuff and the place would go nuts again. I think they even know their new stuff blows ass.

I made the mistake of buying St. Anger. I listened to it twice. Man did that album blow.

The band was not the same after the bus accident.

Man, if only Metallica would just read Fark.com now and again they'd probably hang it up. I mean, there's like, 30 people on here that hate them! If they could pull their heads out of their asses and ignore the 30,000+ people that show up to their gigs for just a second and pay attention to the REAL MUSIC FANS on Fark.com, they'd see the light and disappear into obscurity.

Sigh, too bad all those screaming fans who like them keep distracting them from realizing they're worthless human beings.

WaltzingMathilda
Man, if only Metallica would just read Fark.com now and again they'd probably hang it up. I mean, there's like, 30 people on here that hate them! If they could pull their heads out of their asses and ignore the 30,000+ people that show up to their gigs for just a second and pay attention to the REAL MUSIC FANS on Fark.com, they'd see the light and disappear into obscurity.

Sigh, too bad all those screaming fans who like them keep distracting them from realizing they're worthless human beings.


This Farker prefers quality over quantity.
You should try it.

I gave up on Metallica when they signed their first major record deal. Nothing screams sellout like making money.

/keeps it real
//works for free

phoenixdan: I gave up on Metallica when they signed their first major record deal started working with Bob Rock. Nothing screams sellout like making deciding to make radio friendly pablum to make money.

FTFY

pnuttzz: WaltzingMathilda
Man, if only Metallica would just read Fark.com now and again they'd probably hang it up. I mean, there's like, 30 people on here that hate them! If they could pull their heads out of their asses and ignore the 30,000+ people that show up to their gigs for just a second and pay attention to the REAL MUSIC FANS on Fark.com, they'd see the light and disappear into obscurity.

Sigh, too bad all those screaming fans who like them keep distracting them from realizing they're worthless human beings.


This Farker prefers quality over quantity.
You should try it.

You missed my point completely. Your idea of quality is different than others. You may feel you have an enlightened taste that is superior to the masses, but you can never prove it, sadly for you. The point is, there's a lot of wasted energy downright hating Metallica when you could, conversely, spend that energy enjoying something else.

I haven't liked their music since the Black Album. I would go to see them now anyway, for the chance to hear Master live or Battery, or even One.

I was at this show. I was 14 at the time. I thought I was going to die in that pit.

I still have the "metal up your ass" t-shirt from that day.

The only bad Metallica is St. Anger (the album) except for .. uh.. one decent song on that collection.. umm. Frantic.
Which still could've been done WAY better.

I only know one person (out of an entire giant friends list of mostly metalheads) that actually likes that album, and he's the guy with all of the album covers tattooed onto him.

You want a lot of good stuff, go to livemetallica.com and pick it up there. Lots of killer free stuff, and you can buy new shows really freain cheep.

WaltzingMathilda: You may feel you have an enlightened taste that is superior to the masses, but you can never prove it, sadly for you.

Yeah we can. St. Anger. Empirical evidence old chap. They have gone to shiat, no question. Still great live, but terrible songwriters and lumbered with a horrible-and-getting-worse producer for years.

I'll never forget the day I hard Bob f***ing Rock was taking over from Fleming Rasmussen. I thought, "Well, that's that then."

Oh, and another reason to dislike them, which is quite provable: The way they treated Newsted over Justice. They degraded the sound of their own record as a hazing. Let me clarify that. They destroyed their own sound to make light of a member of their band, and they were that arrogant that they knew the fans would buy it anyway. If they were the best band in the world I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

Zem: WaltzingMathilda: You may feel you have an enlightened taste that is superior to the masses, but you can never prove it, sadly for you.

Yeah we can. St. Anger. Empirical evidence old chap. They have gone to shiat, no question. Still great live, but terrible songwriters and lumbered with a horrible-and-getting-worse producer for years.

I'll never forget the day I hard Bob f***ing Rock was taking over from Fleming Rasmussen. I thought, "Well, that's that then."

Oh, and another reason to dislike them, which is quite provable: The way they treated Newsted over Justice. They degraded the sound of their own record as a hazing. Let me clarify that. They destroyed their own sound to make light of a member of their band, and they were that arrogant that they knew the fans would buy it anyway. If they were the best band in the world I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

I wasn't aware that Metallica was the only metal band to mix down the bass on their albums ... oh, and "not liking an album" isn't empirical evidence. It's exactly the opposite. It's an opinion.

My buddy is at Bonnaroo right now. He texted me every song they played last night, and I called him during the ones that I wanted to hear the most. The solo for AJFA was amazing even through a phone. I listened to the end of that song into James asking who wants to hear some Kill 'em All, and he was like "No..... NO!...... NO!..... NO REMORSE!

From June 7th, 2008 For Whom the Bell Tolls (new window)

Surprisingly not bad. There are a bunch more videos from that performance which are good too, including Whiplash, Puppets, Lightening, and Justice. Not gonna hold my breath that this means anything though.

Don't kid yourself, tho. Cliff would have gotten a haircut and put on mall clothes just like the rest of them did.

Whatever it takes to keep the big checks coming in. You would too, as much as it sucked.

barneyfifesbullet: Cliff would have gotten a haircut and put on mall clothes just like the rest of them did.

Whatever it takes to keep the big checks coming in

I know I did. Although my checks pale in comparison to theirs.

WaltzingMathilda
pnuttzz: WaltzingMathilda
Man, if only Metallica would just read Fark.com now and again they'd probably hang it up. I mean, there's like, 30 people on here that hate them! If they could pull their heads out of their asses and ignore the 30,000+ people that show up to their gigs for just a second and pay attention to the REAL MUSIC FANS on Fark.com, they'd see the light and disappear into obscurity.

Sigh, too bad all those screaming fans who like them keep distracting them from realizing they're worthless human beings.


This Farker prefers quality over quantity.
You should try it.

You missed my point completely. Your idea of quality is different than others. You may feel you have an enlightened taste that is superior to the masses, but you can never prove it, sadly for you. The point is, there's a lot of wasted energy downright hating Metallica when you could, conversely, spend that energy enjoying something else.

I haven't liked their music since the Black Album. I would go to see them now anyway, for the chance to hear Master live or Battery, or even One.

I didn't miss your point at all. But if it makes you feel better to think I did go ahead and pat yourself on the back.

Sounds like an Electro Harmonix "Big Muff" on that bass.


Any fark-bassists got recommendations for favorite bass effects?

barneyfifesbullet: Don't kid yourself, tho. Cliff would have gotten a haircut and put on mall clothes just like the rest of them did.

Whatever it takes to keep the big checks coming in. You would too, as much as it sucked.

You really can't know that. I'm broke as fark and am barely motivated by money and that's mostly for the survival angle.

/still haven't cut my hair

Now I remember why I don't care for them: Cute hair ≠ talent

craigdamage: Sounds like an Electro Harmonix "Big Muff" on that bass.

He used a Green Sovtek Big Muff, and a Morley Power Wah Boost.

barneyfifesbullet: Don't kid yourself, tho. Cliff would have gotten a haircut and put on mall clothes just like the rest of them did.

Whatever it takes to keep the big checks coming in. You would too, as much as it sucked.

I seriously doubt it. Cliff basically made the band move from LA to SF and the band followed. Good thing too, the LA scene was a joke.

I think that Cliff was the moral compass for the band and when he died it allowed Lars and James to walk all over Kurt and grab the brass ring.
Lars chased the dollar to fulfill his Napoleon complex and James did it to keep the drugs coming in.

Cliff would have kept them in check...or quit.

pnuttzz: WaltzingMathilda
pnuttzz: WaltzingMathilda
Man, if only Metallica would just read Fark.com now and again they'd probably hang it up. I mean, there's like, 30 people on here that hate them! If they could pull their heads out of their asses and ignore the 30,000+ people that show up to their gigs for just a second and pay attention to the REAL MUSIC FANS on Fark.com, they'd see the light and disappear into obscurity.

Sigh, too bad all those screaming fans who like them keep distracting them from realizing they're worthless human beings.


This Farker prefers quality over quantity.
You should try it.

You missed my point completely. Your idea of quality is different than others. You may feel you have an enlightened taste that is superior to the masses, but you can never prove it, sadly for you. The point is, there's a lot of wasted energy downright hating Metallica when you could, conversely, spend that energy enjoying something else.

I haven't liked their music since the Black Album. I would go to see them now anyway, for the chance to hear Master live or Battery, or even One.

I didn't miss your point at all. But if it makes you feel better to think I did go ahead and pat yourself on the back.

I could honestly give a fark whether you got it or not. But I said "some people like it" and you responded with "it's not quality" .. both are opinions. So you missed my point. Entirely. Or you wouldn't have responded at all.

pnuttzz 2008-06-14 06:53:22 PM
wow you're dense dude.

whiskeyinthejar harvester of sorrow? i aint got the best ear, but I SWEAR kirk's guitar is out of tune.

It might just be "his style" i dont know.
or care.

stjohn: Yeah.. I was done with them after the Black albumNo Life 'til Leather.

RON MCGOVNEY IS METALLICA

WaltzingMathilda
pnuttzz: WaltzingMathilda
pnuttzz: WaltzingMathilda
Man, if only Metallica would just read Fark.com now and again they'd probably hang it up. I mean, there's like, 30 people on here that hate them! If they could pull their heads out of their asses and ignore the 30,000+ people that show up to their gigs for just a second and pay attention to the REAL MUSIC FANS on Fark.com, they'd see the light and disappear into obscurity.

Sigh, too bad all those screaming fans who like them keep distracting them from realizing they're worthless human beings.


This Farker prefers quality over quantity.
You should try it.

You missed my point completely. Your idea of quality is different than others. You may feel you have an enlightened taste that is superior to the masses, but you can never prove it, sadly for you. The point is, there's a lot of wasted energy downright hating Metallica when you could, conversely, spend that energy enjoying something else.

I haven't liked their music since the Black Album. I would go to see them now anyway, for the chance to hear Master live or Battery, or even One.

I didn't miss your point at all. But if it makes you feel better to think I did go ahead and pat yourself on the back.

I could honestly give a fark whether you got it or not. But I said "some people like it" and you responded with "it's not quality" .. both are opinions. So you missed my point. Entirely. Or you wouldn't have responded at all.

Where did I EVER use the phrase "it's not quality" - where? I can't seem to find that phrase anywhere in what I've written.
Misquoting me to forward your self aggrandizing argument is weak sauce. I never said I was enlightened or that my tastes were superior, but you seemed compelled to point out what is clearly evident - that it's my opinion. So thanks for that Captain Obvious. Now what point did I miss here?


Madbassist1
pnuttzz wow you're dense dude.

I find myself humbled by your erudite prose.

pnuttzz: WaltzingMathilda
pnuttzz: WaltzingMathilda
pnuttzz: WaltzingMathilda
Man, if only Metallica would just read Fark.com now and again they'd probably hang it up. I mean, there's like, 30 people on here that hate them! If they could pull their heads out of their asses and ignore the 30,000+ people that show up to their gigs for just a second and pay attention to the REAL MUSIC FANS on Fark.com, they'd see the light and disappear into obscurity.

Sigh, too bad all those screaming fans who like them keep distracting them from realizing they're worthless human beings.


This Farker prefers quality over quantity.
You should try it.

You missed my point completely. Your idea of quality is different than others. You may feel you have an enlightened taste that is superior to the masses, but you can never prove it, sadly for you. The point is, there's a lot of wasted energy downright hating Metallica when you could, conversely, spend that energy enjoying something else.

I haven't liked their music since the Black Album. I would go to see them now anyway, for the chance to hear Master live or Battery, or even One.

I didn't miss your point at all. But if it makes you feel better to think I did go ahead and pat yourself on the back.

I could honestly give a fark whether you got it or not. But I said "some people like it" and you responded with "it's not quality" .. both are opinions. So you missed my point. Entirely. Or you wouldn't have responded at all.

Where did I EVER use the phrase "it's not quality" - where? I can't seem to find that phrase anywhere in what I've written.
Misquoting me to forward your self aggrandizing argument is weak sauce. I never said I was enlightened or that my tastes were superior, but you seemed compelled to point out what is clearly evident - that it's my opinion. So thanks for that Captain Obvious. Now what point did I miss here?

I said 35000+ fans at every gig don't hate them

You said the above in bold

I "summarized" ... I didn't "misquote"

You said you prefer quality and that I should try it, as though Metallica is *in fact* not quality. What was your point in responding in the first place if not to state your obviously superior taste? By stating you'd rather listen to something quality than someone who can draw in 35000+ people to a gig? Where you started and where you ended make no sense, friend.

Let's see -
1 - I state my opinion
2 - you tell me it's my opinion
3 - I tell you I understand that
4 - You misquote me while telling me, for a second time, that I stated an opinion
5 - I tell you, for a second time, that I understand it's my opinion
6 - You're still confused
7 - I laugh

Ace Frehley's Ghost: I remember those guys! Whatever happened to them?

They're doing Bob Seger covers now.

pnuttzz Like I said...you're dense

Let's see -
1 - I state my opinion (and infer that it's superior to everyone elses)
2 - you tell me it's my opinion (and makes a compelling arguemwnt that your opinion is incorrect)
3 - I tell you I understand that (but you clearly don't)
4 - You misquote me while telling me, for a second time, that I stated an opinion (he is correct, he summarized, not misquoted)
5 - I tell you, for a second time, that I understand it's my opinion (though you obviously do not, as you state your opinion as fact)
6 - You're still confused (because he doesnt understand how you can be so dense)
7 - I laugh (because you're a retard)

Madbassist1: pnuttzz Like I said...you're dense

Let's see -
1 - I state my opinion (and infer that it's superior to everyone elses)
2 - you tell me it's my opinion (and makes a compelling arguemwnt that your opinion is incorrect)
3 - I tell you I understand that (but you clearly don't)
4 - You misquote me while telling me, for a second time, that I stated an opinion (he is correct, he summarized, not misquoted)
5 - I tell you, for a second time, that I understand it's my opinion (though you obviously do not, as you state your opinion as fact)
6 - You're still confused (because he doesnt understand how you can be so dense)
7 - I laugh (because you're a retard)

Sounds about right. Well done.

Madbassist1
pnuttzz Like I said...you're dense

Let's see -
1 - I state my opinion (and infer that it's superior to everyone elses)
2 - you tell me it's my opinion (and makes a compelling arguemwnt that your opinion is incorrect)
3 - I tell you I understand that (but you clearly don't)
4 - You misquote me while telling me, for a second time, that I stated an opinion (he is correct, he summarized, not misquoted)
5 - I tell you, for a second time, that I understand it's my opinion (though you obviously do not, as you state your opinion as fact)
6 - You're still confused (because he doesnt understand how you can be so dense)
7 - I laugh (because you're a retard)

WOW. You can read minds and know what a person is thinking?

Dude - you're amazing.

And much denser than I could ever be.

Now why don't the both of you spit out Lars' penis and get a life.