Good.

Though I'd like to add a similar bill should be written up tying Israel's efforts at peace with the Palestinians to the billions they get in aid. I'd just like us to stop handing out money to country's that are full of xenophobic idiots, and maybe actually try dangling the carrot in front of them, instead of just forcefully stuffing it up the rabbit's ass.

Now THAT is playing the game.

Turn Iraq in to a country that everybody hates in the region. Then, when another country invades, the US can wash its hands of the whole deal, and walk away saying "It's not our fault the country looks the way it does... Its the (insert country's name here)'s fault! They invaded when we got them on their feet!"

Congratulations Americans, you finally have an exit strategy: Blame it on somebody, anybody, other than yourselves.

ha, good show

Tastes Like Chicken: Though I'd like to add a similar bill should be written up tying Israel's efforts at peace with the Palestinians to the billions they get in aid. I'd just like us to stop handing out money to country's that are full of xenophobic idiots, and maybe actually try dangling the carrot in front of them, instead of just forcefully stuffing it up the rabbit's ass.

People sure like to throw around the Xenophobe term alot..and as for the carrot vs. stick argument, perhaps Gaza might fall into the equation somewhere...

Like that won't make the Iraqi people think that we invaded for the sake of Israel.

It's irrelevant anyway. We broke it, we bought it. Regardless of the petty diplomatic games we may play or whatever threats we may throw at them, the whole world sees Iraqi stability as our problem. We won't cut a single penny in a way that could undermine their stability. After all, an unstable Iraq is bad for Israel.

doyner: Like that won't make the Iraqi people think that we invaded for the sake of Israel.

It's irrelevant anyway. We broke it, we bought it. Regardless of the petty diplomatic games we may play or whatever threats we may throw at them, the whole world sees Iraqi stability as our problem. We won't cut a single penny in a way that could undermine their stability. After all, an unstable Iraq is bad for Israel.

Stability in the middle east is good for the whole world, but it sucks to have use a big picture perspective doesnt it..

Well, I'm guessing that Iraq is about to lose a big amount of aid.

actually they're asking for long term security contacts , 58 permanent military bases and control of the oil. and they're holding their oil money in our banks hostage until they sign the contract.

Hobodeluxe: actually they're asking for long term security contactscontracts , 58 permanent military bases and control of the oil. and they're holding their oil money in our banks hostage until they sign the contract.

and they are negotiating the treaty without congressional involvement. like the president has the ability to commit troops long term on his own.

I say bring our troops home ,release their money and let them hire Blackwater if they want. I'm tired of paying for it myself.

Very stupid idea.

Hastings is an idiot. This should have a Florida tag.

Hobodeluxe: Hobodeluxe: actually they're asking for long term security contactscontracts , 58 permanent military bases and control of the oil. and they're holding their oil money in our banks hostage until they sign the contract.

and they are negotiating the treaty without congressional involvement. like the president has the ability to commit troops long term on his own.

I say bring our troops home ,release their money and let them hire Blackwater if they want. I'm tired of paying for it myself.

And nobody seems to have a problem with this crap.
This is why an impeachment would be a good idea.
Let's prevent this disaster from getting any worse.

Random Reality Check: Hobodeluxe: Hobodeluxe: actually they're asking for long term security contactscontracts , 58 permanent military bases and control of the oil. and they're holding their oil money in our banks hostage until they sign the contract.

and they are negotiating the treaty without congressional involvement. like the president has the ability to commit troops long term on his own.

I say bring our troops home ,release their money and let them hire Blackwater if they want. I'm tired of paying for it myself.

And nobody seems to have a problem with this crap.
This is why an impeachment would be a good idea.
Let's prevent this disaster from getting any worse.

I guess you didn't RTFA.

St_Ides: Now THAT is playing the game.

Turn Iraq in to a country that everybody hates in the region. Then, when another country invades, the US can wash its hands of the whole deal, and walk away saying "It's not our fault the country looks the way it does... Its the (insert country's name here)'s fault! They invaded when we got them on their feet!"

Congratulations Americans, you finally have an exit strategy: Blame it on somebody, anybody, other than yourselves.

Back when Turkey was invading last year, I thought that that might have been the exit strategy. I'm sure the Kurds will get uppity again soon, and Turkey will have another shot at it.

I can't help wondering if this bill is a "straw man" argument, put forward by Congress to show how silly the war is on changing attitudes over there, or if they're actually serious.

Doesn't the billions of dollars we give them get lost anyway, so do you think they'll really miss a portion of it?

Tastes Like Chicken: Good.

Now is really the time for this?

A smoking hulk of a country filled with poor and starving people should be held over a barrel by Israel so they can continue getting shipments of Penicillin and food?

Can we maybe get them some electricity and water clean enough to stymie the rising rates of dysentery first?

Oh right, they're Brown.

I think it is important at this point to draw a clear distiction between the current Iraqi government and the people(s) of Iraq. The ordinary man on the street in Iraq doesn't paticular like Israel and is unlikely to see a single cent of the billions the US has sent there unless it has 'trickled down' from the corrupt people in power. They are likely to see this as their government selling them out. The current Iraq government would really like to keep US aid but without beeing seen as even more of a puppet of the US than they already are.

If the aim was to undermine the Iraqi government than this move is very well played. If the actualy goal was to further stability and even get some sort of genuine advantage for Israel than they have just shot themselves in the foot.

So far I am still thinking stupid rather than evil but as always it is hard to tell from their actions.

Instead of getting a mandate from the people? This should end well...

What a stupid idea. It appears that the state of Israel has control of some of the democratic politicians, on top of the complete control they have over the GOP.

The more that time goes on, the more that it becomes apparent that all those Russian pogroms, Nazi holocausts and Spanish inquisitions were cases of human beings reacting to Jewish subterfuge instead of them just happening because of a bunch of homicidal nutjobs.

I didn't think Congress' approval rating could go any lower, but this could do it.

Pelosi 2012!

varmitydog: What a stupid idea. It appears that the state of Israel has control of some of the democratic politicians, on top of the complete control they have over the GOP.

The more that time goes on, the more that it becomes apparent that all those Russian pogroms, Nazi holocausts and Spanish inquisitions were cases of human beings reacting to Jewish subterfuge instead of them just happening because of a bunch of homicidal nutjobs.

I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your Protocols

Worked with Egypt

I'm sure this worthless Congress pulled this as a stunt to complicate the negotiations and embarrass the President. It's not like we need a long term agreement with the next Saudi Arabia. Naw, we aren't looking down the road at any energy bind or anything. I would cock punch every last democrat in congress, given the chance. They want a depression so they can take over more of society, this time health care and whatever else they can grab. Look at public schools. This is the Federal Government at it's finest. Good god almighty, are we farking stupid?

OneBrightMonkey:
A smoking hulk of a country filled with poor and starving people should be held over a barrel by Israel so they can continue getting shipments of Penicillin and food?

Can we maybe get them some electricity and water clean enough to stymie the rising rates of dysentery first?

Maybe when they stop killing US soldiers, we can bother to rebuild their hospitals and crap. Until then, I say shoot anything that moves on the streets between 5 pm and 8 am, and anything that moves too fast the rest of the time. We need to take the kid gloves off here.

No Such Agency: Maybe when they stop killing US soldiers, we can bother to rebuild their hospitals and crap. Until then, I say shoot anything that moves on the streets between 5 pm and 8 am, and anything that moves too fast the rest of the time. We need to take the kid gloves off here.

You know, there's trolling and then there's trolling. This idea is so repugnant and vile that it really has no place in a public forum.

Of course, speech is protected by the first Amendment, so troll on. And naturally, you also have the right to advocate the wholesale slaughter of Jews in America, since they have hijacked US foreign policy. Right? And the Gays of course, and the Canadians. But I repeat myself.

themadtupper: varmitydog: What a stupid idea. It appears that the state of Israel has control of some of the democratic politicians, on top of the complete control they have over the GOP.

The more that time goes on, the more that it becomes apparent that all those Russian pogroms, Nazi holocausts and Spanish inquisitions were cases of human beings reacting to Jewish subterfuge instead of them just happening because of a bunch of homicidal nutjobs.

I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your Protocols

If Israel gets wiped out, they'll have no one but themselves to blame.

Why are we even giving Iraq aid? Their oil revenues now far exceed any funding we can send.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Random Reality Check: Hobodeluxe: Hobodeluxe: actually they're asking for long term security contactscontracts , 58 permanent military bases and control of the oil. and they're holding their oil money in our banks hostage until they sign the contract.

and they are negotiating the treaty without congressional involvement. like the president has the ability to commit troops long term on his own.

I say bring our troops home ,release their money and let them hire Blackwater if they want. I'm tired of paying for it myself.

And nobody seems to have a problem with this crap.
This is why an impeachment would be a good idea.
Let's prevent this disaster from getting any worse.

I guess you didn't RTFA.

Well you guessed wrong.

I was responding to Hobodeluxe's comments which have taken a somewhat different tone from the subject of the article.

You should try reading these threads sometime, they can be really informative, assuming you can comprehend what is happening in them.

Oh, and have a really nice day.

3_Butt_Cheeks: I didn't think Congress' approval rating could go any lower, but this could do it.

Pelosi 2012!

Because, we all know that the Republicans have completely abandoned Congress?
This government thing is really hard for you to completely grasp, is that it?

Softens_hands_while_you_do_the_dishes: Good god almighty, are we farking stupid?

I don't know about that "we" you are referring to but "you" are certainly making an excellent case for your assertion.

No Such Agency: Maybe when they stop killing US soldiers, we can bother to rebuild their hospitals and crap. Until then, I say shoot anything that moves on the streets between 5 pm and 8 am, and anything that moves too fast the rest of the time. We need to take the kid gloves off here.

Well, that should certainly tone down the violence.
You don't strike me as someone completely new at this.
What gives?

doyner: Like that won't make the Iraqi people think that we invaded for the sake of Israel.


Exactly. I assuming the attacks against our troops will increase with bills like this. So looks like the Dems are also finding a use to keep our troops in Iraq.

Random Reality Check: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Random Reality Check: Hobodeluxe: Hobodeluxe: actually they're asking for long term security contactscontracts , 58 permanent military bases and control of the oil. and they're holding their oil money in our banks hostage until they sign the contract.

and they are negotiating the treaty without congressional involvement. like the president has the ability to commit troops long term on his own.

I say bring our troops home ,release their money and let them hire Blackwater if they want. I'm tired of paying for it myself.

And nobody seems to have a problem with this crap.
This is why an impeachment would be a good idea.
Let's prevent this disaster from getting any worse.

I guess you didn't RTFA.

Well you guessed wrong.

I was responding to Hobodeluxe's comments which have taken a somewhat different tone from the subject of the article.

You should try reading these threads sometime, they can be really informative, assuming you can comprehend what is happening in them.

Oh, and have a really nice day.

Flame on! Typical.

Dear Rep. Hastings,

Thank you for creating another problem.

Now try fixing some problems that we already have.


-signed, the U.S.A.

Its Israel who should be giving Iraq billions in aid.

doyner: ...
It's irrelevant anyway. We broke it, we bought it. Regardless of the petty diplomatic games we may play or whatever threats we may throw at them, the whole world sees Iraqi stability as our problem. We won't cut a single penny in a way that could undermine their stability. After all, an unstable Iraq is bad for Israel.

The problem is, an instable Iraq is not our problem - the refugees will be flooding into Iran, Syria, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. And they'll take advantage of Europe's social safety net. And if there's a full blown civil war, various bad guys will be taking shortcuts sending messages to these countries as well.

Our only problem will be with the price of Oil.

cryptozoophiliac:
You know, there's trolling and then there's trolling. This idea is so repugnant and vile that it really has no place in a public forum.

I think that I was going for "sarcasm" rather than "trolling". America's approach in Iraq is already so brutal it's hard to overstate it (but I tried). The US sending "aid" to Iraq is like an abusive husband giving his wife gifts from the dollar store, in between punches to the face.

Actually I like the idea.

I worked for the Iraqi embassy and I have lived in Israel.

I think that it provides a means for the Iraqi government to actually do something that makes a clear decision. If they accept it they continue to recieve much needed aid and face the anger of the people. But how in the hell can it get any worse? Baghdad is already a war zone as it has been, there are Shiite and Sunni Militias everywhere and the Kurds already have a good relationship with Israel anyway.

I think it puts Iraq in a position that makes it have a hard decision, something that for the most part the US has been lacking. Iraq needs to be pushed and this is a good way of doing it.

Besides Israel's recognition by Jordan and Egypt were done in a top down manner, because it is the only means possible.

AIPAC at work. Our congress: "Israeli Occupied Territory"

GoodasGold: AIPAC at work. Our congress: "Israeli Occupied Territory"

I know who's not getting Gefilte fish on Shabbat! Oy vey!

Well it's good to see that things are going so swimmingly in Iraw that we can blackmail their govt into establishing a foreign policy that pretty much every citizen in Iraq will oppose. That'll show them how democracy works!

I have an even better idea. How about we keep the billions of dollars we offer to both Iraq AND Israel. That way Iraq can decide its own foreign policy, and Israel can cluster bomb civilians in Lebanon whether we want them to or not.

No Such Agency: OneBrightMonkey:
A smoking hulk of a country filled with poor and starving people should be held over a barrel by Israel so they can continue getting shipments of Penicillin and food?

Can we maybe get them some electricity and water clean enough to stymie the rising rates of dysentery first?

Maybe when they stop killing US soldiers, we can bother to rebuild their hospitals and crap. Until then, I say shoot anything that moves on the streets between 5 pm and 8 am, and anything that moves too fast the rest of the time. We need to take the kid gloves off here.

Who invited us?

"Shoot anything that moves" sounds cute and all Clint Eastwood-ian but in reality that includes Women, Children and Male non-combatants, which I imagine would fall out of line with any sort of Military code of ethics or even common human decency.

But if you're ok with that then hey, bombs away!

I suppose you would be fine with 150,000 Iraqi soldiers driving up-armored Humvees around your neck of woods "killing everything that moves" as long as they promised to get the air conditioners working again when they were done.

Right?

No Such Agency: OneBrightMonkey:
A smoking hulk of a country filled with poor and starving people should be held over a barrel by Israel so they can continue getting shipments of Penicillin and food?

Can we maybe get them some electricity and water clean enough to stymie the rising rates of dysentery first?

Maybe when they stop killing US soldiers, we can bother to rebuild their hospitals and crap. Until then, I say shoot anything that moves on the streets between 5 pm and 8 am, and anything that moves too fast the rest of the time. We need to take the kid gloves off here.

Truth.

Plus, nuking Israel wouldn't hurt either

hooray for self-determination

I have an even better idea. We should offer every country billions of dollars so they are friendly with everybody else. That's how imperialism works, right?

Tastes Like Chicken: Though I'd like to add a similar bill should be written up tying Israel's efforts at peace with the Palestinians to the billions they get in aid.

That would be like forcing the LA cops to "make peace" with the street gangs or lose their funding.

varmitydog 2008-06-14 08:10:07 AM
What a stupid idea. It appears that the state of Israel has control of some of the democratic politicians, on top of the complete control they have over the GOP.

The more that time goes on, the more that it becomes apparent that all those Russian pogroms, Nazi holocausts and Spanish inquisitions were cases of human beings reacting to Jewish subterfuge instead of them just happening because of a bunch of homicidal nutjobs.


...And you can't even criticize israel without being called an anti-semite.