I'm feeling better about my decision to support Obama.

I really can't understand how a man who spent many years in another country in an internment camp where he was tortured would advocate Gitmo.

Of course Obama would support this. As both a Muslim and a non-citizen, this affects him.

One of his quotes FTA:
"We are now going to have the courts flooded with so-called ... habeas corpus suits against the government, whether it be about the diet, whether it be about the reading material. And we are going to be bollixed up in a way that is terribly unfortunate because we need to go ahead and adjudicate these cases"

That's full of crazy. It's not even Bush crazy, this is old man crazy.

/never mind the bollix!

Shame on John McCain. If anyone should have sympathy for a person who is being held prisoner by another country and tortured, it should be John McCain.

Way to become your enemy, John.

flippity flop. another reversal from mcsame. way to go, maverick.

cheshirecatsmileyface: Shame on John McCain. If anyone should have sympathy for a person who is being held prisoner by another country and tortured, it should be John McCain.

Way to become your enemy, John.

Oh please. Tortured? Really do people who are tortured gain weight? Do their tortures worry about providing kosher meals? Do they make sure they are able to pray 5 times a day?

The Stealth Hippopotamus: cheshirecatsmileyface: Shame on John McCain. If anyone should have sympathy for a person who is being held prisoner by another country and tortured, it should be John McCain.

Way to become your enemy, John.

Oh please. Tortured? Really do people who are tortured gain weight? Do their tortures worry about providing kosher meals? Do they make sure they are able to pray 5 times a day?

I really hope you are being sarcastic.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: cheshirecatsmileyface: Shame on John McCain. If anyone should have sympathy for a person who is being held prisoner by another country and tortured, it should be John McCain.

Way to become your enemy, John.

Oh please. Tortured? Really do people who are tortured gain weight? Do their tortures worry about providing kosher meals? Do they make sure they are able to pray 5 times a day?


So you wouldn't mind if I dragged you over to my house, waterboarded you, mutilated your genitals and pretended to attack you with dogs?

I bet your local S&M group is so proud.

The only thing I can recall that resembles "torture" taking place at Guantanamo was waterboarding, and I believe that was stopped last year? Anyone else care to confirm?

AlanSmithee: habeas corpus suits against the government, whether it be about the diet, whether it be about the reading material.

Petitions for writs of habeas corpus aren't "about" anything more than the question of "why the eff am I in jail?"

The Bush administration really did this to themselves by not calling the detainees prisoners of war to avoid the Geneva conventions. If they were prisoners of war they wouldn't have this access.

cheshirecatsmileyface: So you wouldn't mind if I dragged you over to my house, waterboarded you, mutilated your genitals and pretended to attack you with dogs?

As long as you fed him well....

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The Stealth Hippopotamus: cheshirecatsmileyface: Shame on John McCain. If anyone should have sympathy for a person who is being held prisoner by another country and tortured, it should be John McCain.

Way to become your enemy, John.

Oh please. Tortured? Really do people who are tortured gain weight? Do their tortures worry about providing kosher meals? Do they make sure they are able to pray 5 times a day?



Pray maggots while we spray sulfuric acid on you.

KaponoFor3: The only thing I can recall that resembles "torture" taking place at Guantanamo was waterboarding, and I believe that was stopped last year? Anyone else care to confirm?

This (new window) shows the US acknowledged torture in more places than just Guantanamo. Not sure what kind of torture was performed- but it was performed.

KaponoFor3: The only thing I can recall that resembles "torture" taking place at Guantanamo was waterboarding, and I believe that was stopped last year? Anyone else care to confirm?

I've been advised by my lawyers to plead the 5th in response to that question.

cheshirecatsmileyface: So you wouldn't mind if I dragged you over to my house, waterboarded you, mutilated your genitals and pretended to attack you with dogs?

It really depends on what you are serving for dinner...

KaponoFor3: The only thing I can recall that resembles "torture" taking place at Guantanamo was waterboarding, and I believe that was stopped last year? Anyone else care to confirm?

it's really not possible to confirm stuff like that.

besides, this is about holding people indefinitely without charge or trial.

it's just wrong. I think our country can stand up to terrorism, and stand for our principles simultaneously.

Kaiser442: I'm feeling better about my decision to support Obama.

riiiight, because you struggled so much between the two.

/farking liberals, die in fires

Yep, McCain has no business being president. This plus his temper makes me honestly think that he'd lock up a bunch of obviously innocent brown people just out of spite.

Then again, he'd throw his mother into Gitmo if it would win him Ohio.

no dehydrated babies needing hot water bottles in gitmo?

/pancakes?
//just wanted to get that out of the way

cheshirecatsmileyface: So you wouldn't mind if I dragged you over to my house, waterboarded you, mutilated your genitals and pretended to attack you with dogs?

I bet your local S&M group is so proud.

mutilated genitals? don't remember that one.

As far as waterboarding, call me when they actually try to drown someone. And I've had dogs bark at me before, I wouldn't call it torture.

My friends, I usually try to be fair and see both sides of an issue, but I just don't see how anyone could think that terrorist deserve the same rights that our ancenstors fought and died for. They are not citizens. They were not on US soil when they were captured. This decision by the jihadist five will go down in history as a turning point where America became a laughing stock and the terrorist won.

Here's a potential reason why the decision is bad:

Take police here in the continental US for example. They are trained that, when investigating a crime or arresting an individual, to maintain the crime scene and preserve evidence. Why? To make sure the evidence can be used against the accused at a later time of trial.

Our soldiers who capture "enemy combatants" on the battlefield have not been trained to do this. I fear that this decision will lead to soldiers overseas "shooting first" and asking questions later.

My friends, I am saddened and disheartened that this once great candidate for President has become yet another voice against reason, and against the very rights that make this country great.

Where is the McCain of 2000? Oh yeah, he was a fake trying to get elected as a "maverick".

Did McCain ever give an account of his 5 years as a POW? I know that during the Middle Ages, those of royalty were held as ransom for money and/or other favors. McCain was the son of an Admiral. It would stand to reason that he would have been of value to keep in decent health and standing.

McCaintheUniter: My friends

give it a rest.

Wait, you mean we can't hold individuals in prison indefinitely without charges or a trial? Oh the humanity!

There was never any chance I would have voted for McCain, but whatever remaining respect I might have had for him is now officially flushed down the toilet.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: cheshirecatsmileyface: So you wouldn't mind if I dragged you over to my house, waterboarded you, mutilated your genitals and pretended to attack you with dogs?

I bet your local S&M group is so proud.

mutilated genitals? don't remember that one.

As far as waterboarding, call me when they actually try to drown someone. And I've had dogs bark at me before, I wouldn't call it torture.

Well great. Then I'll see you this weekend, right? I mean, after all, if it's no big deal, then you won't mind demonstrating it for me, right? Great.


You don't have to be farking Jesus Christ himself to know that there is a certain basic level of decency with which you should treat all people. Maintaining that line is what separates us from the terrorists. When you cross that line, you destroy everything you were fighting for in the first place.

unexplained bacon: McCaintheUniter: My friends

give it a rest.

These politics threads really get the old ignore list filled fast.

That said, the only other person that I have ever heard use "my friend" or "my friends" was an old Pakistani boss of mine.

He got a little loopy during the fasting part of some of the Islamic holidays though.

Maybe that's McCain's problem, he's not eating enough.

unexplained bacon: give it a rest.

What is wrong with being a little friendly on Fark? It is something I picked up from a liquor store owner in the 1970's and have been saying it before McCain won a public office. I have not given it a rest in 30 years, I don't plan on starting now. If you would like to attack the validity of my statement, I would be happy to discuss the issues.

EriksMom: I really can't understand how a man who spent many years in another country in an internment camp where he was tortured would advocate Gitmo.

Yeah, I've been wondering this myself.

meat0918: unexplained bacon: McCaintheUniter: My friends

give it a rest.

These politics threads really get the old ignore list filled fast.

That said, the only other person that I have ever heard use "my friend" or "my friends" was an old Pakistani boss of mine.

He got a little loopy during the fasting part of some of the Islamic holidays though.

Maybe that's McCain's problem, he's not eating enough.

I've never used ignore, and I'll be damned if a weak troll like Mccaintheuniter is gonna be the first name in there.

KaponoFor3: Take police here in the continental US for example. They are trained that, when investigating a crime or arresting an individual, to maintain the crime scene and preserve evidence. Why? To make sure the evidence can be used against the accused at a later time of trial.

CSI is not real life. In real life, criminal convictions do not turn on pubic hairs and Gil Grissom's waxing poetic about maggots. They turn on eyewitness evidence.

McCain says Gitmo pancakes decision "one of the worst tastiest in history his tummy." He said the same about the invention of fire toast

Better

Methinks McCain caught a brain tumour from Kennedy.

What the fark is wrong with McCain? I knew he went south after he decided to run but this is.. incomprehensible.

meat0918: These politics threads really get the old ignore list filled fast.

This.

kronicfeld: They turn on eyewitness evidence.

Not eyewitness info alone -- You can't really be saying that "eyewitness evidence" is the only thing that criminal convictions turn on. You know about their inherent unreliability. So what does this mean? Say there were four soldiers involved in the capturing of a detainee, and all of them re-enlisted and are back in Iraq/Afghanistan. Do they all get shipped back over for the federal court proceedings?

CSI is pretty cool though, you must admit.

Ninja Wicked: McCain says Gitmo pancakes decision "one of the worst tastiest in history his tummy." He said the same about the invention of fire toast

Better

For some reason I thought of this.....

McCaintheUniter
The Stealth Hippopotamus

You're both vile and un-American. If you said any of this shiat to a ww2 vet, he'd shoot your ass just as fast as he'd shoot a Nazi.

GIS for "hypocrite".



/Gud durn turrists!

//On a serious note, did he associate with his captors? "I deserved to get locked up and tortured."

KaponoFor3: Here's a potential reason why the decision is bad:

Take police here in the continental US for example. They are trained that, when investigating a crime or arresting an individual, to maintain the crime scene and preserve evidence. Why? To make sure the evidence can be used against the accused at a later time of trial.

Our soldiers who capture "enemy combatants" on the battlefield have not been trained to do this. I fear that this decision will lead to soldiers overseas "shooting first" and asking questions later.

What, then, do you do with the prisoners in Gitmo? Eventually they must either be tried, released, or kept until they die. Since the second two aren't options, you have to eventually try them. So at some point, whatever evidence exists that is against them will come out. Why make them wait longer? They've been there for 6 years, at some point you have to do something other than detain them indefinitely. The ruling told the Executive branch to shiat or get of the pot. It was a good ruling, and to say otherwise is foolish at best.

McCaintheUniter: I would be happy to discuss the issues.



Issue one!

You, are a weak troll

The Stealth Hippopotamus: cheshirecatsmileyface: Shame on John McCain. If anyone should have sympathy for a person who is being held prisoner by another country and tortured, it should be John McCain.

Way to become your enemy, John.

Oh please. Tortured? Really do people who are tortured gain weight? Do their tortures worry about providing kosher meals? Do they make sure they are able to pray 5 times a day?


KaponoFor3: The only thing I can recall that resembles "torture" taking place at Guantanamo was waterboarding, and I believe that was stopped last year? Anyone else care to confirm?

And you two know this how?

Because an administration that has a consistent history of lying told you so?

Are you FARKING kidding me?
or yourselves?

An_Innocent_Primate: What, then, do you do with the prisoners in Gitmo?

I say return them to Afghanistan/Iraq to have them tried in their court systems, seeing as that is where they were captured and where (likely) the evidence against them is being held.

Random Reality Check: And you two know this how?

Umm... cause that's all the media has been able to come up with? Cause that's the only thing that there is evidence for?

In all honesty, we don't know because we aren't there. Hence why I was asking if there was anything else I was unaware of.

unexplained bacon: Issue one!

You, are a weak troll

Issue one, you can't even think of one issue that you could debate with me and not be embarrased. Give it a try.

McCaintheUniter: This decision by the jihadist five will go down in history as a turning point where America became a laughing stock and the terrorist won.

You don't read much do you?

Hell, that time in history began about 7 years ago.