And here I thought it was just poor campaign management.

"Winner take all" anyone?

Gonz: And here I thought it was just poor campaign management.

"Winner take all" anyone?

Yeah, the whole "paying too much for incompetent advisers" thing not only sunk her campaign but made me really question her fitness for an executive role.

Hillary lost because Americans are more sexist than they are racist.

Hillary lost because Americans are angry about the vagina.

Hillary lost because she can't suck a golf ball through a hose.

Jesus, are we going to analyze this until 2012? Her race is over and I think most of us understand why. Those who don't aren't going to get it anyway.

Let's get on with the REAL issues of the campaign, like: is John McCain too old? Is Barack Obama not black enough? And how do they like their coffee and pizza?

Who cares? She lost because she didn't win as many delegates. Explanation over.

I thought she lost cause of her vagina.

(TFA)Richard Mellon Scaife, godfather of the "vast right-wing conspiracy," spent hundreds of millions of dollars to attack this woman, to produce writings and videos and fund the rise of individually groomed attack pundits whose #1 task was to aim at Hillary Rodham Clinton. Richard Mellon Scaife formed an entire cottage industry around smears, lies and hatred toward this woman. It was sick, it was out of proportion, it was offensive in the extreme.

During this campaign, Hillary Rodham Clinton went to Richard Mellon Scaife's little shiatburg newspaper board and made friends with him in order to slam a fellow Democrat.

man, this article delivers.

Like Obama didn't play the race card. Puh-lease, they accused the Clintons of playing the race card just to sure up the black vote. The only thing Obama cares about is getting elected. He will SAY or DO anything.

And he is succeeding because there are naive people out there like you who buy into his dribble.

I'm saying that what I just said above was a copy/paste from the comments. I just thought it was an epic troll.

I wonder how many people will bite despite me saying it's a troll right here.

Poor Bill, he's the one who has to slip it into that vagina dentata.

We don't know that Obama would be moral as president in fact. However he has ran his campaign with integrity and does not suck up to promise anything to the world, 'Tired of Hussain' vote, unlike H. Clinton did.

Remember Bush's first time running. His Texas voting record indicated some concern, but nothing on the level it is now.

And just so this is not only about Obama, what does Mccain's voting record since 2000 say about him.

;
NO CIGAR FOR HILLARIOUS!

TMBGfreak: Like Obama didn't play the race card. Puh-lease, they accused the Clintons of playing the race card just to sure up the black vote. The only thing Obama cares about is getting elected. He will SAY or DO anything.

And he is succeeding because there are naive people out there like you who buy into his dribble.

I'm represented in the Senate by Obama and I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

TMBGfreak: Like Obama didn't play the race card.

I'm of the opinion that Obama has mostly avoided issues of race, so I would honestly like to know how you think Obama played the race card. Quotes from him would be fantastic, quotes from his staff would be acceptable.

TMBGfreak: I wonder how many people will bite despite me saying it's a troll right here.

Fine then. That was fun.

She definitely needs to say that Obama ran a clean campaign while hers was down and dirty. She must stand her supporters down from their disappointment and anger by acknowledging this truth. She must cease stoking that emotion and giving her supporters implicit permission to toxically aim it at Obama and/or his supporters. It's ok if she says she learned in her experience that Americans don't mind dirt in their politics, it's ok if as a safe face-saving stance she still targets the media as not treating her campaign fairly, but she needs to tell her supporters that Obama took the high road, that his stances on Florida and Michigan were merely playing by the rules everyone agreed to.

And she must go into detail about why Obama is not an elitist, and why his rising from a very modest upbringing on his own merit makes "elitism" a sham of a charge that she deliberately fueled because she hoped it would help her win. The reason she needs to do this is she knows it to be true (just as she knows it to be true Obama is not a Muslim, not "as far as she knows"), and unless she openly talks about some of the things she said about him as products of an all-out genuine desire to win rather than because they're true, those things get left open for the coming general election.

The author is asking for Hillary to have a Lee Atwater repentance moment. Sorry, I'm not sure she feels remorse here, and it took Atwater to have terminal brain cancer for him to apologize to everyone he smeared.

In "doing whatever it takes to win" she bested only herself. That's pretty much the story imo. It's instructive.

No, just that being morally repugnant in order to get what you want normally doesn't pay off as much as you think it will in the heat of the moment. If you dig me, O my brother.

The bigger narcissist won.

When the speeches you ply
Are a big stinkin' lie
That's AMOR-AL..

moothemagiccow: Who cares? She lost because she didn't win as many delegates. Explanation over.

THIS. I heard a good quotation on the radio the other day, "Clinton ran a good campaign, but Obama ran a better one." That's it. I think it could have easily gone the other way but it didn't. 20/20 hindsight: oh, it's because she's a woman, she's amoral, snipergate, race baiting, she ignored smaller states because she didn't think it would go past super Tuesday, the Bill factor, etc.

All that may be true but it doesn't necessarily explain her loss. She could have won with all that still true.

/Can you tell I've been reading The Black Swan?

TMBGfreak: And he is succeeding because there are naive people out there like you who buy into his dribble.

the word you are looking for is drivel, unless you think his key to success is being a ball-hog... but you're literate enough to know that right?

Because more Democrats deep down respect the spirit of the 22nd Amendment and would rather we not have a Pakistan-style family-run democracy.

Jeb/Chelsea in 2016!

Woot!

TMBGfreak: I'm saying that what I just said above was a copy/paste from the comments. I just thought it was an epic troll.

I wonder how many people will bite despite me saying it's a troll right here.

Looks like a couple so far. It's sort of amusing. For a second I thought you were the same guy who originally posted that comment.

coco ebert: THIS. I heard a good quotation on the radio the other day, "Clinton ran a good campaign, but Obama ran a better one."

That's not really true though. He may have ran an amazing campaign, but she didn't run a good campaign. A marginal one would have won the primary for her. She ran a terrible campaign.

TMBGfreak: Like Obama didn't play the race card. Puh-lease, they accused the Clintons of playing the race card just to sure up the black vote. The only thing Obama cares about is getting elected. He will SAY or DO anything.

And he is succeeding because there are naive people out there like you who buy into his dribble.

versus the woman who sipped a beer, attempted to pump her own gas, cried over not winning Iowa, put on a TERRIBLE condescending Southern accent, reminisced about being taught how to shoot things, put guns on her direct mail flyers...

NEED

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DrBenway: When the speeches you ply
Are a big stinkin' lie
That's AMOR-AL..

tee-hee

And if Obama would say or do anything why didn't he shiat all over Wright at the first sign of a "goddamn America" video clip? Why didn't he say "oh geez, we meant to hire Reverend Jeremiah White and we got this douchenozzle by accident?"

Geez TMBGfreak, bravo!


/Wow, people.

I can't imagine having that much to say about Hillary Clinton.

Neeek: coco ebert: THIS. I heard a good quotation on the radio the other day, "Clinton ran a good campaign, but Obama ran a better one."

That's not really true though. He may have ran an amazing campaign, but she didn't run a good campaign. A marginal one would have won the primary for her. She ran a terrible campaign.

I guess you're right because in the end it's the overall campaign that is important. I think you can divide it into two time periods though. She did well at the beginning until Obama started winning and raising more money. She ran an arrogant campaign that assumed they were going to win and were unprepared when they didn't. They also had Mark Penn, who had had a bad experience with the media previously and pursued a strategy that ignored a lot of states that Obama captured. They threw his ass out too late.

...and this is why we have to elect Barack Obama as our president!

Hillary lost because Monica was more of a woman.

This made my day.

Thank you, people.

And Obama was such a humanist and all around good guy - before the press began looking into his marked lack of charitable donations, that is.

Hypocrites everywhere, my friend.

Sofa King Awesome: Because more Democrats deep down respect the spirit of the 22nd Amendment and would rather we not have a Pakistan-style family-run democracy.

Jeb/Chelsea in 2016!

Woot!

There's some folks named Kennedy who'd like to have a word with you about that.

IndyGemini: Jesus, are we going to analyze this until 2012? Her race is over and I think most of us understand why. Those who don't aren't going to get it anyway.

Let's get on with the REAL issues of the campaign, like: is John McCain too old? Is Barack Obama not black enough? And how do they like their coffee and pizza?

Don't forget about all those little lies they told as kids growing up. That just goes to character right there. And when was the last time John changed his Depends? And does Obama eat at KFC? We MUST know the facts!

Amorality in a politician is like a lady's slip--you've got to have it but you don't want it to show.

Richard Pye: Hillary lost because Americans are more sexist than they are racist.

So true. I mean its not like 55-60% of the democratic voters were women or anything...Oh wait...While I won't argue the media posted some sexist remarks here and there, but sexism played little to no role in the actual votes. I mean how many polls where there that found that voters wouldn't vote for her because she was a woman that registered much of anything(none that I can think of), verses the ones that said they would not have voted for him because he wasn't white(most of the appalachian states had a good percentage, more then enough to actually tilt the election).

mmagdalene:
I can't tell whether you're a troll or idiot.

Couldn't get into the article.
The guy went thru his disclaimers (how this was all his opinions, etc, blah, blah, blah) 3 times without getting to any kind of point.
So I closed the window.

I too have been rejected by millions, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/Don't Mention The War

I have some long-standing policy disagreements with Hillary, but the reasons laid out in that article are what turned me from grudgingly accepting the prospect that she may become President to fervently hoping that she never gets near it.

After the Scaife thing, the Murdoch thing, the oh-so-subtle playing upon racist sentiment in the Appalachian races, and then the loud, blatant, absolutely ridiculous claims of Obama running a "sexist campaign" coming from herself, her campaign, and her surrogates, I went from defending her against the ridiculous "she had Vince Foster killed!" charges to openly saying on Fark and other places that anyone wanting to throw that crap around could go ahead and do it, because I certainly won't be defending her anymore.

But what angers me the most is what she tried to do with Democratic women, and succeeded in doing in far too many cases. She deliberately turned them against not only Obama, but against the entire Democratic Party - trying to convince women that the Democrats were "stealing" the election because they're a bunch of sexists just so she could get her die-hard female supporters on camera screaming about "count every vote" down in Florida in the desperate hope that the Dems would quite literally corrupt the process and install her over Obama. Or force Obama's hand in giving her the VP slot, of course...

It was an entirely cynical, manipulative ploy, and it worked WAY too well. This will cause significant and lasting damage if she AND Obama don't work together to fix it FAST.

Her concession speech was a good start on the race and the talking up Obama fronts, but not only didn't she attempt to mollify her female supporters, she actually inflamed them further with the "glass ceiling" and other comments!

I always knew her ambition was a force to be reckoned with and that the Clinton machine was fairly amoral, but I never thought she'd go so far to intentionally hurt the Dems' chances at the White House just for a tiny, desperate chance of attaining more power. When it came down to it, I thought she would be more pragmatic an, more importantly, more patient and insidious about it.

She came very, very close to "scorched earth" in this election. Let's just hope the fire was stopped before it did too much damage and that McCain isn't given the chance to turn the Supreme Court into a tool of the mid-far right for a generation due more to Hillary Clinton's blind ambition than any other single cause.

Excellent read, and very reflective of my feelings. I wasn't going to hold Hillary responsible for Bill's sins, but time after time after time the Clintons found a new way to not only have me doubt my generosity, but to help conjure up long-past buried ill-feelings from the '90s.

Way to go. She has no chance in '12 or '16, either.

...so the guy that wrote this, whats his fark handle?

IndyGemini: Let's get on with the REAL issues of the campaign, like: is John McCain too old? Is Barack Obama not black enough? And how do they like their coffee and pizza?

Boxers or briefs?

I'm in full agreement with the author. I liked Hillary at first. I have pretty good memories of Bill in office and I figured Hillary would be similar...until I got to know her.

The author is correct in that Hillary doesn't appear to see opponents as human, just obstacles to overcome. She shows absolutely no respect for Obama (or anyone else who doesn't kiss her ass daily). She does not even know why people oppose her. She simply cannot comprehend the fact that many of us found her actions the past few months highly offensive. It really is scary to contemplate. To me the most frightening type of person is one with no morals, because you never know what they will do in any given situation. It's true she could have possibly been a good president and we'd all be riding unicorns down rainbow roads to our interesting, satisfying, and high paying jobs...but it's equally possible she'd try to turn the whole middle east into a glass parking lot just to shut them up.

I'm going to take it a step further than the author did though. There is absolutely no way for Hillary to regain my trust. She has shown she will do absolutely anything to win, so even an apparently heartfelt apology would leave me doubting. She could be sincere, or she could be pandering again. We would never really know.