I wouldn't say it threatens John McCain, but its typical republican corruption.

hey he tried to head off investigations as chair of that committee.
that merits some questioning.

Speaks: its typical republican corruption.

You say that as if one party is fully corrupt and the other is not.

I couldn't follow that article and neither will the American public. Keep it simple, stupid.

Abramoff thereafter sent an e-mail to the lobbyists on his team telling them that Representative 4 had "basically asked what we want in the transportation bill," and instructing the lobbyists to "make sure we load up our entire Christmas list."

Wow. I guess you get so corrupt for so long that eventually you forget that you're even breaking the law. And then you put it in an e-mail. The Republicans laid the groundwork for a one-party system, and now the one party is going to end up being the Democrats.

Straight Talk Express?

MorrisBird: I couldn't follow that article and neither will the American public. Keep it simple, stupid.

Abramoff gave money to politicians for legislation. He had deep connections in the Bush administration. He took money and funneled it into the GOP. he got caught. He rolled over and now the people he rolled over on are rolling over on others to cop a deal.

One of the MAJOR clients of Abramoff are the Indians that own casinos. McCain sits on the Indian affairs committee.

McCain is helping to try to cover up the scandal by locking away a LOT of papers from the investigators. those papers are who those earmarks were designated to. he doesn't want to expose who got what to the public. he punted it to the dysfunctional ethics committee.

Hobodeluxe: he punted it to the dysfunctional ethics committee

See, that makes sense.

Hobodeluxe: punt

Dag yo!

nekom: You say that as if one party is fully corrupt and the other is not.

7/10

Short & sweet.

It merely ignores the Family Values™ image vs. GOP reality.

Hobodeluxe: hey he tried to head off investigations as chair of that committee.
that merits some questioning.

He stopped when it reached the limits of what the indian affairs committee should be investigating. However he should have made it a priority to pass it on to a larger ethics committee if ending corruption is that important to him. It seems clear he hesitated to do that because he knew that most if not all of the politicians at risk for implication were part of his own party.

i wonder what sort of scandals and "-gates" we can expect from an Obama presidency.

Pillager: nekom: You say that as if one party is fully corrupt and the other is not.

7/10

Short & sweet.

It merely ignores the Family Values™ image vs. GOP reality.

Just because you do not agree with a man, that does not make him a troll.

superlawyergirl: i wonder what sort of scandals and "-gates" we can expect from an Obama presidency.

Turbangate
Pastorgate
Grannygate
Whiteygate

superlawyergirl: i wonder what sort of scandals and "-gates" we can expect from an Obama presidency.

Well, since the media has all but ignored the Tony Rezko conviction...nothing. Rezko was one of Obama's first major fundraisers...and real estate partner. Not a casual relationship.

Tacoby Bellisbury: Pillager: nekom: You say that as if one party is fully corrupt and the other is not.

7/10

Short & sweet.

It merely ignores the Family Values™ image vs. GOP reality.

Just because you do not agree with a man, that does not make him a troll.

There is a huge difference between what the Republicans say they are & what they are in reality. (new window)

Pillager: nekom: You say that as if one party is fully corrupt and the other is not.

7/10

Short & sweet.

It merely ignores the Family Values™ image vs. GOP reality.

Uh, that's not a troll, and it's a valid comment.


superlawyergirl: i wonder what sort of scandals and "-gates" we can expect from an Obama presidency.

I just hope it's better than BJgate; that was retarded, all around.

Abner Doon: Uh, that's not a troll, and it's a valid comment.

Was Obama a member of the Keating Five?

BTW, the Dems will Never sink to the GOP's abyssal depths.


Republican 'culture of corruption' (new window)

generaltimmy: superlawyergirl: i wonder what sort of scandals and "-gates" we can expect from an Obama presidency.

Well, since the media has all but ignored the Tony Rezko conviction...nothing. Rezko was one of Obama's first major fundraisers...and real estate partner. Not a casual relationship.

Yeah, ignored. Not like we've heard about it forever, and not like there's been in depth investigations which found absolutely nothing related to Obama (not anything that even looks shady).

It was only "ignored" because it was quickly discovered that there wasn't anything there, and the pastor story was better for ratings.

Pillager: There is a huge difference between what the Republicans say they are & what they are in reality.

I tend to not trust people who use sweeping generalizations.

generaltimmy: Well, since the media has all but ignored the Tony Rezko conviction...nothing. Rezko was one of Obama's first major fundraisers...and real estate partner. Not a casual relationship.

Compared to Halliburton, Rez was nothing.

//can't wait for the Obama/McSame debate

Tacoby Bellisbury: Pillager: There is a huge difference between what the Republicans say they are & what they are in reality.

I tend to not trust people who use sweeping generalizations.

Fine, vote Mcancient.

Ignore the reality based community.

Pillager: Abner Doon: Uh, that's not a troll, and it's a valid comment.

Was Obama a member of the Keating Five?

BTW, the Dems will Never sink to the GOP's abyssal depths.


Republican 'culture of corruption' (new window)

You need to separate your opinions from your objective facts. And even more so, you need to separate "things I disagree with" from "trolling".

It makes you sound like a douchebag (and I even lean towards your "team").

Pillager: Tacoby Bellisbury: Pillager: There is a huge difference between what the Republicans say they are & what they are in reality.

I tend to not trust people who use sweeping generalizations.

Fine, vote Mcancient.

Ignore the reality based community.

Yeah, except you're putting words in my mouth.


I'm writing in Fred Thompson, and am entitled to do so. Just as you are entitled to shiat all over this thread.

superlawyergirl: i wonder what sort of scandals and "-gates" we can expect from an Obama presidency.

Honestygate
Integritygate
Realitygate

Shocking behavior for some in DC

Abner Doon: Pillager: Abner Doon: Uh, that's not a troll, and it's a valid comment.

Was Obama a member of the Keating Five?

BTW, the Dems will Never sink to the GOP's abyssal depths.


Republican 'culture of corruption' (new window)

You need to separate your opinions from your objective facts. And even more so, you need to separate "things I disagree with" from "trolling".

It makes you sound like a douchebag (and I even lean towards your "team").

1. Look at Delay, Jack Abramoff, Halliburton, Newt Gingrich, & finally this quote from this leftist.

"I don't think we have had something of this scope, arrogance and sheer venality in our lifetimes," Norman J. Ornstein, of the conservative American Enterprise Institute, wrote in "Roll Call". "It is building to an explosion, one that could create immense collateral damage within Congress and in coming elections." [1]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Republican_'culture_of_corruption'

The Democrats are saints compared to the GOP's moral squalor.

2. I'm waiting for some facts from the McCainiacs.

They seem to be in short supply.

Pillager: There is a huge difference between what the Republicans say they are & what they are in reality.

That's an entirely different issue. No, they aren't the party they claim to be. But the Democrats are no better, and no cleaner. These things I know, my congressman is Jack Murtha, and he is as crooked as the rest of them. Corruption does not fall on either party, it is a problem with the entire system.

God, I'm so disappointed in McCain. He used to be a pretty cool guy, but the last 8 years have totally changed him. He was my very first vote, too, back when I turned 18. I don't recognize this person anymore.

shiat is depressing.

John McCain would never do anything for a lobbyist, or anything unethical at all.

nekom: Pillager: There is a huge difference between what the Republicans say they are & what they are in reality.

That's an entirely different issue. No, they aren't the party they claim to be. But the Democrats are no better, and no cleaner. These things I know, my congressman is Jack Murtha, and he is as crooked as the rest of them. Corruption does not fall on either party, it is a problem with the entire system.

Abscam is old news. Murtha's ties to PAID still aren't that big a deal compared to Cheney's ties to Halliburton.

Hell, let's look at the big, big picture;

The GOP is going to get stomped as payback for lying about Iraq's threat to the US & kicking off a exorbitant war of choice.

McCain Dec 2004
"I pledge, as a member of the Committee on Indian Affairs, that we will not stop until the complete truth is told."

McCain Dec 2005
"But it's not the job of the Indian Affairs Committee to investigate members of Congress."

LOL

Pillager: The GOP is going to get stomped as payback for lying about Iraq's threat to the US & kicking off a exorbitant war of choice.

Or:

The people will see how ineffective the Dems have been since the 2006 elections, where everyone promised to force a withdrawal of troops.

KeatingFive: John McCain would never do anything for a lobbyist, or anything unethical at all.

Great use of name. Would read again!!!@!!1 A+++++

Hobodeluxe: hey he tried to head off investigations as chair of that committee.
that merits some questioning.

i'd say the worst thing for mccain (that is easily understandable) are all the documents he didn't release, and what they probably said.

Abner Doon: KeatingFive: John McCain would never do anything for a lobbyist, or anything unethical at all.

Great use of name. Would read again!!!@!!1 A+++++

Prompt payment, excellent buyer!

Pillager: Abscam is old news. Murtha's ties to PAID still aren't that big a deal compared to Cheney's ties to Halliburton.

Hell, let's look at the big, big picture;

The GOP is going to get stomped as payback for lying about Iraq's threat to the US & kicking off a exorbitant war of choice.

Yes, it is old news, but that doesn't mean he isn't still corrupt. ABSCAM involved the indictment of Democrats and Republicans, and plenty of other involvement (as in Murtha's case) that looks shady but without enough evidence to indict.

My point is, I don't care if there's an R or a D after your name, if you're corrupt, GTFO.

Donald_McRonald: superlawyergirl: i wonder what sort of scandals and "-gates" we can expect from an Obama presidency.

Turbangate
Pastorgate
Grannygate
Whiteygate

Madrassagate
Lapelgate

nekom: But the Democrats are no better, and no cleaner.

orly? is that why the DNC is no longer taking lobbyist or PAC money, thanks to obama?

get your head out of the sand.

Can we all agree that Washington, in its present incarnation, is corrupt and broken?

There are problems with BOTH parties.

This two party system is farked beyond recognition. Both parties seem to have forgotten that it is their job to PROVIDE the common defense and PROMOTE the general welfare.

We've been biatching that we haven't tapped domestic oil for over 30 years, and haven't built a refinery in the same amount of time.

Do we really want to be biatching 30 years from now that we didn't do anything about the problems in Washington 30 years ago?

The Democrats lost me after Carter. The Republicans lost me 4 years ago. I'm going the Libertarian road, until/unless they prove to me that they'll fark it up beyond recognition.

There are enough people that are fed up with the system - look at how many people voted for Perot? I was not one of them (for that I apologize), because I thought a vote for Perot was a vote for Clinton. Just imagine if me, and people who thought like I did, would have voted on principle rather than the fear of someone else undesirable getting elected. We might have had some serious reform in this country.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Vote Democrat or Republican or incumbent, and it's more of the same.

Hobodeluxe: Abramoff gave money to politicians for legislation. He had deep connections in the Bush administration. He took money and funneled it into the GOP. he got caught. He rolled over and now the people he rolled over on are rolling over on others to cop a deal.

I don't think McCain is going to roll over. He only seems to know how to play dead.

Tacoby Bellisbury: Pillager: The GOP is going to get stomped as payback for lying about Iraq's threat to the US & kicking off a exorbitant war of choice.

Or:

The people will see how ineffective the Dems have been since the 2006 elections, where everyone promised to force a withdrawal of troops.

McCain: "Make it a hundred years!"

BTW, Will he sing Beach Boy songs during the debate? (new window)

Tacoby Bellisbury: Pillager: The GOP is going to get stomped as payback for lying about Iraq's threat to the US & kicking off a exorbitant war of choice.

Or:

The people will see how ineffective the Dems have been since the 2006 elections, where everyone promised to force a withdrawal of troops.

Or:

The people will see how the Republicans hamstring the Democrats at every major process just to give the illusion that the Democrats are ineffective. SEE, John McCaina and the Republicans blocking Web's GI Bill.

I'm getting really sick of having to read Daily Kos to get in on every other political thread on Fark lately.

Can we get some damn articles that aren't riddled with unabashed bias?

nekom: Yes, it is old news, but that doesn't mean he isn't still corrupt. ABSCAM involved the indictment of Democrats and Republicans, and plenty of other involvement (as in Murtha's case) that looks shady but without enough evidence to indict.

My point is, I don't care if there's an R or a D after your name, if you're corrupt, GTFO.

I fully believe that Murtha has his hand in some shady stuff.

But comparing the actions of a single D congressman (or even a dozen or so) acting to pad his own nest with the partisan political machine that was the Abramoff/Delay scandal is pretty disingenuous.

farkuufarkinfark: The Democrats lost me after Carter.

You might want to read the post above yours.

Perhaps there is some hope out there.

Skleenar: I fully believe that Murtha has his hand in some shady stuff.

I took one for the country and moved to Murtha's district just so I could vote against him.

GhostFish: Can we get some damn articles that aren't riddled with unabashed bias?

And fact? And long quotes of original sources?!

That stuff makes me think and thinking is hard.

burndtdan: is that why the DNC is no longer taking lobbyist or PAC money, thanks to obama?

That's a good step in the right direction, no question about it. But it's not the end-all beat-all solution to corruption.

GhostFish: I'm getting really sick of having to read Daily Kos to get in on every other political thread on Fark lately.

Can we get some damn articles that aren't riddled with unabashed bias?

Facts are notoriously biased against the GOP, at least for the last 8 years. Maybe if you weren't a partisan moran, you could do better than attacking the messenger, eh?