It's not fair to smokers and business owners who follow the rules and pay taxes on their cigarettes, said John Kohlstrand, a Taxation Department spokesman.

How is it not fair? This is like the government of a dry county complaining that residents going to liquor stores in a neighboring county isn't fair to business owners in the dry county. People are paying taxes, just not to our dumbass state. They are doing business with someone in another state. Some us in the southwest go over to KY, other residents use the net. The ODT is farking stupid.

"I think I will start going to Kentucky, pay cash and smuggle them back," she said. "I know I'm cheatin' the state, but they are on this smoking bit pretty hard."

fark yea.

I just started ordering my American Spirits from the Injun reservation. HALF PRICE for chrissakes. Fark you state government. Don't you claim your "sin taxes" are to change my behavior? Well it worked. I'll send my money to another state.

My dad used to order his camels online from Sweden for like a dollar a pack, till someone caught on and they stopped shipping to California.

Think that would have made him quit, but nooo...

FAIL. The issue with the Boston tea party was not taxation, it was taxation without representation. If you live in Ohio, you elected the folks who taxed that tobacco.

revrendjim: FAIL. The issue with the Boston tea party was not taxation, it was taxation without representation. If you live in Ohio, you elected the folks who taxed that tobacco.

QFT

The tea party was before brainwashing. Duh.

I had a friend who imported some really cheap cigarettes in bulk from Russia, and was planning on re-selling them to our friends. The first batch went through, but the second order ended up getting nabbed by customs or something. He was still a minor, so he just ignored the fact that he never got the shipment and never spoke of it again for fear of PMITA time.

Don't protest by dumping them in water this time. The fish might die from the toxins. I suggest burning it.

I love that... put a lien on someone's house because of cigarette taxes.

If we have another revolution, and some of these politicians end up like Jimmy Hoffa... I don't think anyone would be upset.

And I'm sure all America knows that the tea riot wasn't about taxation, but undercutting smugglers (who started the riot) right?

Fair_Poopsmith: revrendjim: FAIL. The issue with the Boston tea party was not taxation, it was taxation without representation. If you live in Ohio, you elected the folks who taxed that tobacco.

QFT

QFT2

Although I don't smoke, If I lived close to Oregon, I would be doing all my shopping there. no sales tax compared to California and 8.25%.

simpsonfan: Although I don't smoke, If I lived close to Oregon, I would be doing all my shopping there. no sales tax compared to California and 8.25%.

Best thing in the world is to live/work on the Oregon border in another state, and shop in Oregon. Don't pay the absurd income/property taxes, and don't pay the sales taxes.

they did this in Maine like a year or 2 ago. The state went to court to get a court order that made all the internet companies that had office in the USA that you could get cigarettes without paying the state taxes on give the state list of who in the state bough what and when. Then the state sent bills for the amount + insersted to the people.

Ron Paul Revere: Subby:

Headlines like this are better when you don't explain what you're insinuating.

Ron Paul Revere, I don't think the average American even knows which state the Oregon Tea Party happened in.

sirgrim: Don't protest by dumping them in water this time. The fish might die from the toxins. I suggest burning it.

And send the CO2 into the atmosphere to cause more global warming? The environmentalists would go crazy over that as well.

//am i being serious?
///even i cant tell anymore

The analogy in the headline is laughable, but the recent push of states to start taxing interstate transactions is also ridiculous. NY is now taxing interstate internet purchases, and it's really pissing me off. Since when have they had that power?

ulairix: sirgrim: Don't protest by dumping them in water this time. The fish might die from the toxins. I suggest burning it.

And send the CO2 into the atmosphere to cause more global warming? The environmentalists would go crazy over that as well.


If only there was a way to burn it in small, controlled setting.

Paedophile_Deluxe: The analogy in the headline is laughable, but the recent push of states to start taxing interstate transactions is also ridiculous. NY is now taxing interstate internet purchases, and it's really pissing me off. Since when have they had that power?

Never, only the federal government can control interstate trade. This is only in theory though, in practice there is nothing that will stop a politician from finding ways to sap money from the average consumer.

The Beacon Man: NEVER get between a liberal and his tax revenue.

If you switch from faith to science, you would know that the correlation between liberals and taxes is low.

If you provide a list of liberals, by your own definition, it would be even easier to educate you on the matter.

thnx!

all smoking does is provide a scratch to an itch that yo wouldn't even have if you weren't addicted to nicotine in the first place. it's simply not a vice i can get behind. plus, you farking become susceptible to every disease state much quicker than you would have otherwise, not to mention cancer, which i couldn't even care less about if it didn't raise insurance rates for everybody else you farking selfish pricks.

Paedophile_Deluxe: The analogy in the headline is laughable, but the recent push of states to start taxing interstate transactions is also ridiculous. NY is now taxing interstate internet purchases, and it's really pissing me off. Since when have they had that power?

The have domain over purchases made within NY state. Despite changes in technology, it is easy to argue that the purchase is made where the customer is.

Do you have a strong argument for your position, or are you just venting because you have to pay taxes again?

andrewagill

I LOL'd.

Huh.

It looks like there might actually be an Oregon tea party.

/Can we pretend I said North Tacoma?

The Beacon Man: NEVER get between a liberal and his tax revenue.

Or a conservative and a young boy.

sirgrim: ulairix: sirgrim: Don't protest by dumping them in water this time. The fish might die from the toxins. I suggest burning it.

And send the CO2 into the atmosphere to cause more global warming? The environmentalists would go crazy over that as well.


If only there was a way to burn it in small, controlled setting.

You mean like an incinerator or a crematorium? she said obviously.

Or did you mean in one's own household? No, we can't have that. The second-hand smoke might seep out and possibly endanger someone else passing by. The anti-smoking lobby won't allow you do so.

Tenebreux

Thank you! Glad to see somebody actually paid attention in history class.

/one of the biggest lies taugh tin American schools
//The Tea Act lowered the price of tea, undercutting the bottom line of smugglers like John Hancock
///the more you know

This is why you have to make sure you're buying from an indian reservation. They can't be sued for their customer lists.

If they do this with cigar taxes in Washington, I'm farked.

/Used to buy online all the time.
//Ever since the tax was greatly reduced, I mostly buy in-state now.
///At one time it was 129%....I shiat you not.
////Now it's capped out at $0.50 per stick.

The Beacon Man: NEVER get between a liberal and his tax revenue.

Don't you chickenshiats rely on $600,000,000 a year to defend yourselves with spider robots and bigger bombs?

depmode98: all smoking does is provide a scratch to an itch that yo wouldn't even have if you weren't addicted to nicotine in the first place. it's simply not a vice i can get behind. plus, you farking become susceptible to every disease state much quicker than you would have otherwise, not to mention cancer, which i couldn't even care less about if it didn't raise insurance rates for everybody else you farking selfish pricks.

Not totally true. I don't consider myself a smoker in any sense of the word, but if I'm drunk and someone offers me a smoke, I usually oblige and get a nice buzz off of a single cigarette, which generally compliments the moderate drunken state I'd achieved. I've never bought a pack of cigarettes, only bought a couple cigars in my lifetime, been to a few hookah bars, so I've basically tried every type of tobacco there is (I'd still consider myself to be in pretty damn good shape, so I'm not too worried about the health issues at the moment). With the exception of chew, which I have absolutely no desire to ever, ever use.

So I'm not totally buying into the dichotomy that you're putting out there.

/already have a moderate drunkenness tonight, if it isn't showing
//I fix typos better when I drink for some reason

Remove all Republicans: With the Bush recession destroying government revenue everywhere, I'm glad to see some states are working to ensure they get every dollar they deserve.


I give that troll attempt a 0.5/10.

/The government is worse than the mafia.

Maybe the state can buy some coins with the money.

I'm making gift bags for the British people who are coming to my wedding (my Fiance is British). I made them little baggies of tea with a note: "Sorry about that whole Tea Party thing... I hope this kind of makes amends"

/semi-on topic

beantowndog: Maybe the state can buy some coins with the money.

New keyboard please.

Koalaesq: I'm making gift bags for the British people who are coming to my wedding (my Fiance is British). I made them little baggies of tea with a note: "Sorry about that whole Tea Party thing... I hope this kind of makes amends"

/semi-on topic

Just don't play The Battle of New Orleans at the reception.

Koalaesq: I'm making gift bags for the British people who are coming to my wedding (my Fiance is British). I made them little baggies of tea with a note: "Sorry about that whole Tea Party thing... I hope this kind of makes amends"

/semi-on topic


LOL.

But don't make any apologies. Hell, if that was me, I'd give them six packs of Sam Adams.

Not spiffy at all. Put away your idea of how the government is slowly forcing people to do what it deems they should and think of this more as step #1 in getting people to pay taxes for everything they buy online.

/Everything you buy online, whether from another state or country, will soon be taxed.
//This is just the beginning.
///I hope you like what the government is spending your money on now, because you'll be giving them more to spend on foreign countries.
////Enjoy.
//Slash///

beantowndog: Just don't play The Battle of New Orleans at the reception.

haven't heard that in a while, might just look it up.

I always suspected there were men in long boats catching that tea.

Get a prepaid card in a fake name and order under that name. When the bill comes, tell them Joe Doaks moved to Schenectady.

constructor5179: beantowndog: Just don't play The Battle of New Orleans at the reception.

haven't heard that in a while, might just look it up.

Link (new window)

I like the part with the gator.

I used to work for H&R Block, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Specifically, the fact that we're this far into the thread and no mention of:

USE TAX.

That's right, just because they don't collect the taxes from the retailer doesn't mean that you don't owe them.

ulairix: Never, only the federal government can control interstate trade. This is only in theory though, in practice there is nothing that will stop a politician from finding ways to sap money from the average consumer.

Exactly, that was my understanding as well.

h to the 'ojo: The have domain over purchases made within NY state. Despite changes in technology, it is easy to argue that the purchase is made where the customer is.

Do you have a strong argument for your position, or are you just venting because you have to pay taxes again?

Did they tax mail-order purchases over the last several decades? Because the same exact argument can be made for those, even though it's bullshiat. It's an interstate transaction, not an intrastate one. They don't have the power to regulate or tax interstate commerce, that has been a given since the founding of the country.

The_Sponge: Remove all Republicans:

I give that troll attempt a 0.5/10.

/The government is worse than the mafia.

Judging by his posts in other threads, I'm not sure if he's trolling or if he really believes that.

andrewagill: USE TAX.

That's right, just because they don't collect the taxes from the retailer doesn't mean that you don't owe them.

So where in the transaction have they increased the value of the product? Roads to ship it to me? Already paid for by the Gas Tax. Using the BATFE to regulate the quality of the Product? It's going to kill you... and... they don't have a lot of quality requirements.
So how do I owe them money?

Property tax, Income Tax (federal, state, local), Convenience tax, Prepared Foods Tax, Room & Board Tax, Gas Tax, Use Tax, Sales tax, Drug Tax, Air emissions fee, Alcoholic beverage tax, Contamination tax, Controlled substance tax, Corporation franchise tax, County conservation fee, Deed tax, Dry cleaner fees, Estate and trust tax, Fur clothing tax, Hazardous waste fee, Individual income tax, Insurance taxes, Lawful gambling tax, Metropolitan landfill fee, Mineral taxes, Mortgage registry tax, Petroleum taxes, Property tax, S Corporation tax, Solid waste management tax, Sports bookmaking tax, Water quality fee, Wind energy production tax, Withholding tax

I guess we do owe them this much at least.

I pay 6 bucks a pack so im not getting a kick out of these replies.

KeatingFive: Fair_Poopsmith: revrendjim: FAIL. The issue with the Boston tea party was not taxation, it was taxation without representation. If you live in Ohio, you elected the folks who taxed that tobacco.

QFT

QFT2

PDQ

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: So how do I owe them money?

I'm just telling you what the tax laws say.

If you would owe tax on it if you bought it in state, and you buy it from out of state, you owe use tax on it.

The amount of use tax is equal to the amount of sales tax you would otherwise owe.

In some states, there is a box on your tax forms for use tax owed, and it is illegal to leave it blank.

As somebody who figured out what a waste of time smoking was, in high school after about a month, I am getting a kick out of these replies.

America then: 'Taxation without representation is tyranny!' The idea was that taxes are ok, as long as there is a democracy.

Nowadays we prefer to whine about taxes and can't be bothered to vote.