This would mean a lot more if he hadn't voted for the farking thing in the first place.


Assbag.

Also,


lol

we're gonna see the floundering of a lot of incumbents trying to make amends for voting for the war and the patriot act in the next few years. it should be amusing.

submitter: steak

You can't kill a vampire with a Porterhouse! It just doesn't work that way. Maybe a stake, though.

Eat_At_Milliways: This would mean a lot more if he hadn't voted for the farking thing in the first place.


Assbag.

He was also the one who got the sunset provisions put in place so Obama would have a chance to vote to renew it.

Barr made clear that he was skeptical at the time, but supported it only on the basis of a)sunset provisions so the act could be reconsidered when everyone wasn't all post-9/11 emotional, and b)the belief that it would be used how the Administration said it would be used. He quickly saw that the latter wasn't true, and was already working against the Patriot Act, with among other groups the ACLU as he says in that video, right after he left Congress.

A perfect record? No. But, unlike McCain or Obama, he's openly stated that he was wrong to vote for it and has worked to repeal the entire act.

burndtdan: we're gonna see the floundering of a lot of incumbents trying to make amends for voting for the war and the patriot act in the next few years. it should be amusing.

Agreed.

Drive a steak through it's heart?

WTF?

Macular Degenerate: Drive a steak through it's heart?

WTF?

is it's heart made of my mouth?

Churchill2004: Obama

Didn't vote for the Patriot act.

burndtdan: we're gonna see the floundering of a lot of incumbents trying to make amends for voting for the war and the patriot act in the next few years. it should be amusing.

I don't think so unless you're talking a complete overhaul happening. Nobody read it..when it passed. No Republican, No Democrat, No Assbag. He's a crazy assbag..I agree with him on this. I bet money most people agree with him on this.

Will Obama kill it? I haven't heard any position from him on it. I'm fairly sure McCain will or cut it way way down but I haven't heard from him either.

Hey, subby isn't that far off. Especially considering the damage being done to my heart by all the steak I'm eating.

"drive a steak through its heart, shoot it, burn it, cut of its head, burn it again and scatter its ashes to the four corners of the Earth."

It's a good thing Americans don't think Libertarians are kooky extremists or else Bob Barr would be dumb to use such rhetoric.

GaryPDX: Nobody read it..when it passed.

that doesn't mean their vote didn't make it that much closer to being reality. that they didn't read it is in a way even worse. they weren't even making a principled decision, they were making an apathetic one.

i know that they weren't generally apathetic. they were scared! but they were apathetic about what is their job and role in the country.

so i think they will be looking for any way they can to beg the voters to keep them in office. they'll try to keep their jobs.

Eat_At_Milliways: Churchill2004: Obama

Didn't vote for the Patriot act.

Technically he voted for the bill that kept it going-in exchange for removing certain provisions from it.

Four corners of the Earth?? ZOMG GENE RAY WAS RIGHT!! 4 CORNERS = 4 SIMULTANEOUS DAYS!!!

burndtdan: so i think they will be looking for any way they can to beg the voters to keep them in office. they'll try to keep their jobs.

Oh yea..and they can be motivated by whoever is POTUS to kill it, just as fast too. I'd like to know the candidates hard positions on this one.

GreenAdder: You can't kill a vampire with a Porterhouse!

Of course you can, just feed him 3 a week for 35 years.

Eat_At_Milliways: Churchill2004: Obama

Didn't vote for the Patriot act.

Yes he did.

Macular Degenerate: WTF?

Freeze, load in cannon, *BOOM*

GaryPDX: I'd like to know the candidates hard positions on this one.

not often that i say this, but i agree with you on that one.

imagine if they were asked questions like THAT during debates? what a thought...

Churchill2004: Eat_At_Milliways: Churchill2004: Obama

Didn't vote for the Patriot act.

Yes he did.

2006? That's not the original PATRIOT Act.

TheCid: 2006? That's not the original PATRIOT Act

Obviously. Obama wasn't in Congress then. Obama did vote to renew it, though, and has not recanted.

TheCid: 2006? That's not the original PATRIOT Act.

Thank God! for a minute there I thought he wasn't perfect.

Churchill2004: Obama did vote to renew it, though, and has not recanted.

TheCid: Technically he voted for the bill that kept it going-in exchange for removing certain provisions from it.

Eh, a step in the right direction.

burndtdan: GaryPDX: I'd like to know the candidates hard positions on this one.

not often that i say this, but i agree with you on that one.

imagine if they were asked questions like THAT during debates? what a thought...

The debates are going to be telling, those will be the dealio. I'd like to see a few town halls too.

Eat_At_Milliways: Eh, a step in the right direction

How can you support "I voted to renew the Patriot Act in an ever-so-slightly watered down form and stand by that vote." as "a step in the right direction", but oppose "I voted for the Patriot Act after I made sure it would be permanent and upon promises from the Administration on how it would be used. When the latter turned to be a lie, I began working extensively with a wide variety of groups to repeal the Patriot Act in its entirety. It was a mistake for me to vote for it, and I want to undo that mistake" is "OMG, liar! He voted for it!"?

wouldn't be permanent, rather

Maybe he shouldn't have voted for it then, huh?

Personally, I think the Patriot Act is exactly what certain Americans deserve. I only wish it would not only continue to expand, but become even stronger.

Churchill2004: is "OMG, liar! He voted for it!"?

In the same way I think Barr should have read the farker before he voted for it.

Also in the same way that I think it's a good thing that Obama, realizing that the morons who voted for it the first time would vote to renew it years later (and then go on to biatch about OMG BUSH IS EVIL after the fact) and thus helped to at least water it down.

CravenMorehead: Maybe he shouldn't have voted for it then, huh?

All three, Barr, McCain, and Obama voted for it or to renew it. Only one has said he was wrong to do so.

Churchill2004: How can you support "I voted to renew the Patriot Act in an ever-so-slightly watered down form and stand by that vote." as "a step in the right direction"

because with the congress in general as divided as it was between the parties and a republican in the white house, the democrats were in no strong bargaining position. they couldn't demand it all and just hope. if they had done that, we would still have the full patriot act, not watered down at all. until the white house changes or a significant shift happens in congress, it won't go away for good.

and honestly, i'd think a ron paul supporter would understand when someone can seem to vote in opposition to their position for nuanced reasons.

Eat_At_Milliways: In the same way I think Barr should have read the farker before he voted for it.

Also in the same way that I think it's a good thing that Obama, realizing that the morons who voted for it the first time would vote to renew it years later (and then go on to biatch about OMG BUSH IS EVIL after the fact) and thus helped to at least water it down.

Obama got the chance to vote to renew it (and he didn't water it down much) only because Barr insisted on making the original non-permanent. And, to date, Barr has worked actively to repeal the entire act and recanted his vote for it. Obama hasn't.

burndtdan: because with the congress in general as divided as it was between the parties and a republican in the white house, the democrats were in no strong bargaining position. they couldn't demand it all and just hope. if they had done that, we would still have the full patriot act, not watered down at all. until the white house changes or a significant shift happens in congress, it won't go away for good.

and honestly, i'd think a ron paul supporter would understand when someone can seem to vote in opposition to their position for nuanced reasons.

I understand it. I'm pointing out that Barr did the same thing with the original, did it to greater effect, and has since made clear his opposition to the entire act and renounced his vote for it a way Obama has not.

Obama apparently joined a filibuster to block the Bush version of the reauthorization of the PATRIOT Act as well (December '05).

I'd like to see it come up in a debate, actually- but it's clear that Obama has a better position on the PATRIOT Act than McCain.

TheCid: Obama apparently joined a filibuster to block the Bush version of the reauthorization of the PATRIOT Act as well (December '05).

I'd like to see it come up in a debate, actually- but it's clear that Obama has a better position on the PATRIOT Act than McCain.

That's a rather low bar to be setting. No pun intended.

Churchill2004: I understand it. I'm pointing out that Barr did the same thing with the original, did it to greater effect, and has since made clear his opposition to the entire act and renounced his vote for it a way Obama has not.

he's renouncing the vote for the original, full version, parts of which were ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court. in regard to that bill, i say about him the same that i say about scott mcclellan... i appreciate that he's realized the mistake he made and is trying to make up for it, but it doesn't just go away either, and i think he knows that.

obama taking part in achieving some concessions on the bill through negotiation is not comparable. without the strength to remove it, at least they took the effort to move it in that direction.

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burndtdan: he's renouncing the vote for the original, full version, parts of which were ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court. in regard to that bill, i say about him the same that i say about scott mcclellan... i appreciate that he's realized the mistake he made and is trying to make up for it, but it doesn't just go away either, and i think he knows that.

obama taking part in achieving some concessions on the bill through negotiation is not comparable. without the strength to remove it, at least they took the effort to move it in that direction

Barr did more to weaken the Patriot Act in 2002 than Obama did in 2005/6.

It is disappointing that Obama voted for the patriot act in any form. He is often more hawkish than I like.

quickdraw: It is disappointing that Obama voted for the patriot act in any form. He is often more hawkish than I like.

OMG!!! You are teh concern troll!!!

The headline left out, "and wherever any iota of ash lands, plow the soil with salt."

This shiat about who did and did not vote for what is really a waste of time. Anyone who can't change his or her mind or regret a bad decision they made in the past is a moran.

This probably makes Bush a genius, since he has never done either.

Go Bob Barr. I know he doesn't stand a chance but I don't want McCain or Obama.

barr is a lackey.

he always has been...and always will be.

-he is one among many, who should have never gone into public service.

Bob Barr is supposed to be on Glenn Beck for an hour tonight. I just checked and I believe it's being replayed at midnight ET. He's on Headline News. I really don't know much about Barr. Actually I don't really know too much about Glenn Beck but he did give Ron Paul an extended interview and gave him time to fully explain his positions. If anyone is interested in learning more about Barr, this would probably be a good place to hear his positions.

drevil877: Bob Barr is supposed to be on Glenn Beck for an hour tonight. I just checked and I believe it's being replayed at midnight ET. He's on Headline News. I really don't know much about Barr. Actually I don't really know too much about Glenn Beck but he did give Ron Paul an extended interview and gave him time to fully explain his positions. If anyone is interested in learning more about Barr, this would probably be a good place to hear his positions.

I'll have to catch that, too.

Burning it twice is NOT the Libertarian way of doing things, Bob.

What a waste of government money that would be.

Once is sufficient.

Barr may be the best choice this fall.

I don't like much of what I know about Obama or McCain. At least Barr hasn't repulsed me.

real shaman: At least Barr hasn't repulsed me.

Wait awhile.

CtrlAltDelete: Burning it twice is NOT the Libertarian way of doing things, Bob.

What a waste of government money that would be.

Once is sufficient.

On government policy:

"Why buy one when you can buy two for twice the price?" - some character from Carl Sagan's Contact.

TheCid: "Why buy one when you can buy two for twice the price?" - some character from Carl Sagan's Contact.

Hadden.