Mark Penn. If I had a consultant who thought the primary was winner take all, I'd turn on my heel and fire them immediately. Especially some hired gun, and not a true believer who's hitched their wagon to my star.

Must've taken some effort to narrow it down.

Oh, and the dumbest moment didn't come during the campaign, it came during 2002. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine.

The dumbest moment not mentioned: Hillary crying in NH. What a manipulative, gender-pandering move to make. It was at this moment that I switched allegiance to Obama.

I want my President to be a f*king ROCK in the face of adversity. If a simple off-the-cuff question moves my leader to tears, then she's not a leader.

/Never saw Maggie Thatcher cry
//Or Golda Meir

For curious people:"

5) Fake Southern Accent
4) Ridiculous "Hillary is leaving the band" ad
3) Being a bullshiat artist on driver's license for illegals
2) Hiring Mark Penn
1) Snipers

I would include Hillary4u&Me, even if she had nothing to do with it. It's that bad.

DamnYankees: 4) Ridiculous "Hillary is leaving the band" ad

they should have aired the alternate guitar hero version, where she 5 starred raining blood on expert

DamnYankees: 1) Snipers

burndtdan: they should have aired the alternate guitar hero version, where she 5 starred raining blood on expert

if she could do that, she'd almost have my vote.

I nominate clap clap, point point.

brigid_fitch: The dumbest moment not mentioned: Hillary crying in NH. What a manipulative, gender-pandering move to make. It was at this moment that I switched allegiance to Obama.

But I think, oddly, that helped her. She won NH didn't she?

hillbillypharmacist: Mark Penn. If I had a consultant who thought the primary was winner take all, I'd turn on my heel and fire them immediately. Especially some hired gun, and not a true believer who's hitched their wagon to my star.

This.

hillbillypharmacist: Mark Penn. If I had a consultant who thought the primary was winner take all, I'd turn on my heel and fire them immediately. Especially some hired gun, and not a true believer who's hitched their wagon to my star.

Yeah. Getting Terry McAuliffe involved was a close second. I don't understand the logic. Let's take the guy who oversaw continual Democratic losses in Congress and give him a spot.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Obama is the nominee, and hope he is the next President, but, looking at 18 months ago, there is no reason whatsoever that Clinton should have lost this. It took heaping failures of monumental proportions to throw away the name recognition and momentum that she had.

Sorry, this comment is irrelevant to the article, but I feel that it needs to be expressed on Fark. Did anybody just see the new correspondent on The Daily Show strip down to that Wonder Woman outfit? Fap fap fap fap fap fap fap.

Trying to out BS the preacher of the Church of BS.

Cubist Robot Party: hillbillypharmacist: Mark Penn. If I had a consultant who thought the primary was winner take all, I'd turn on my heel and fire them immediately. Especially some hired gun, and not a true believer who's hitched their wagon to my star.

Yeah. Getting Terry McAuliffe involved was a close second. I don't understand the logic. Let's take the guy who oversaw continual Democratic losses in Congress and give him a spot.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Obama is the nominee, and hope he is the next President, but, looking at 18 months ago, there is no reason whatsoever that Clinton should have lost this. It took heaping failures of monumental proportions to throw away the name recognition and momentum that she had.

Yeah, someone FINALLY playing a highlight reel of the pundits declaring Hillary a mortal lock on the nomination in late '06/early '07 as Jon Stewart did on "The Daily Show" last night was hysterical.

Scarborough's concern trolling for Obama ("Obama, just stay away and don't waste your chance on this year") was awesome. I hope Rachel Maddow saw it and reminds him of it the next time she's on one of the panel shows and Joe goes into his "Obama can't get uneducated white people, he's a sure loser!" concern trolls.

The 5 biggest mistakes of Hillary's campaign:

1) They campaigned for Hillary.*
2-5) See #1

* No fooling! They really did that!

Let us not forget Bill's South Carolina dog whistle.

robsul82: Scarborough's concern trolling for Obama ("Obama, just stay away and don't waste your chance on this year") was awesome. I hope Rachel Maddow saw it and reminds him of it the next time she's on one of the panel shows and Joe goes into his "Obama can't get uneducated white people, he's a sure loser!" concern trolls.

Scarborough is an incredible egotist - if anyone did that he'd walk off the stage. He's done it before.

Cubist Robot Party: Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Obama is the nominee, and hope he is the next President, but, looking at 18 months ago, there is no reason whatsoever that Clinton should have lost this. It took heaping failures of monumental proportions to throw away the name recognition and momentum that she had.

But that was the only way she was going to lose. For her to lose, she would have to fark up royally, and Obama would have to dakkn near perfect. EVen if that happened, Obama would barely win.

And that's what happened. It's like any great upset in sports - rarely are they blowouts. The good team is lazy and overconfident, the underdog is a scrapper with the fundamentals, and it still comes down to the last 10 seconds.

why only five?

Cubist Robot Party: there is no reason whatsoever that Clinton should have lost this. It took heaping failures of monumental proportions to throw away the name recognition and momentum that she had.
Yup. I was so confident that she would win that I bet $10 on her securing the Democratic nomination. :(

reason # 6: Changing her campaign slogan 30 farking times.
"let the conversation begin", "ready on day one", "3 am phone call", "yes she can" "cheesecake"....
I'm not a marketing ad wizard, but I think her inability to create a stable 'brand image' must have contributed to her downfall.

The fact that this was posted is proof that America is full of sexist pigs who fear a strong woman in power, and that is why..... sorry guys and girls. My Troll-Fu is weak.

I would say that the sniper fire was her biggest mistake. That and the 3am phone call. It baffles me as to how the hell this women stayed in this race so long.

/Just my two cents.

DamnYankees: robsul82: Scarborough's concern trolling for Obama ("Obama, just stay away and don't waste your chance on this year") was awesome. I hope Rachel Maddow saw it and reminds him of it the next time she's on one of the panel shows and Joe goes into his "Obama can't get uneducated white people, he's a sure loser!" concern trolls.

Scarborough is an incredible egotist - if anyone did that he'd walk off the stage. He's done it before.

Yeah, didn't he do that recently? His camera suddenly went out or something?

Cubist Robot Party: Yeah. Getting Terry McAuliffe involved was a close second. I don't understand the logic. Let's take the guy who oversaw continual Democratic losses in Congress and give him a spot.

It makes perfect sense when you look at the Clinton pattern of rewarding loyalty over competence. Both of them have an incredible history of placing their most ardent supporters in positions of authority who's only qualification is their undying loyalty to Hillary and Bill. McAuliffe is practically the poster child for this policy. Penn and Doyle are two others. Hillary's entire campaign was staffed with people almost entirely devoid of any experience relevant to running a campaign of this magnitude.

Claiming to have absorbed Presidential ability via osmosis while simultaneously appearing to be totally baffled by the Texas primary process.

So many people were responsible for that Hilary can shred video, writers, actors, directors. After it was finished they had to have shown it to a focus group and members of her own campaign must have given input. Now that I think of it Hilary herself must have watched it. From concept to completion that video is a sickening cinematic failure. Why wasn't there one voice of reason that yelled out from the top of their lungs, "This is farking retarded"?

robsul82: DamnYankees: robsul82: Scarborough's concern trolling for Obama ("Obama, just stay away and don't waste your chance on this year") was awesome. I hope Rachel Maddow saw it and reminds him of it the next time she's on one of the panel shows and Joe goes into his "Obama can't get uneducated white people, he's a sure loser!" concern trolls.

Scarborough is an incredible egotist - if anyone did that he'd walk off the stage. He's done it before.

Yeah, didn't he do that recently? His camera suddenly went out or something?

Yeah, after Maddow proved him very wrong about something he disappeared in the next segment.

A 28 year old who is publicly campaigning in a National Election which is on the world stage, but is somehow protected from reporters in an insanely amazing way that is not afforded to anyone else who presents themselves publicly...no movie star, not Princess Di (or her grown sons), not even Dick Cheney. I don't think anyone has got that kind of media protection since FDR.

Shrugging Atlas: Cubist Robot Party: Yeah. Getting Terry McAuliffe involved was a close second. I don't understand the logic. Let's take the guy who oversaw continual Democratic losses in Congress and give him a spot.

It makes perfect sense when you look at the Clinton pattern of rewarding loyalty over competence. Both of them have an incredible history of placing their most ardent supporters in positions of authority who's only qualification is their undying loyalty to Hillary and Bill. McAuliffe is practically the poster child for this policy. Penn and Doyle are two others. Hillary's entire campaign was staffed with people almost entirely devoid of any experience relevant to running a campaign of this magnitude.

I don't buy it. Yes, they value loyalists, but, you know, SMART loyalists. It seems like they picked the most sycophantic douchebags of their pool of very impressive loyalists. Look at how many Senators and governors were behind her effort. They were all firmly above the loyalty threshold, and would have run an incredible campaign. Instead, Geraldine Ferraro, Mark Penn, and Terry McAullife. Hillary's not as good as Bill when it comes to politicking, but she's not nearly as stupid as her campaign came out.

There's more to this, but we'll never know for sure what happened.

d976: A 28 year old who is publicly campaigning in a National Election which is on the world stage, but is somehow protected from reporters in an insanely amazing way that is not afforded to anyone else who presents themselves publicly...no movie star, not Princess Di (or her grown sons), not even Dick Cheney. I don't think anyone has got that kind of media protection since FDR.

Are you talking about Chelsea?

DamnYankees: d976: A 28 year old who is publicly campaigning in a National Election which is on the world stage, but is somehow protected from reporters in an insanely amazing way that is not afforded to anyone else who presents themselves publicly...no movie star, not Princess Di (or her grown sons), not even Dick Cheney. I don't think anyone has got that kind of media protection since FDR.

Are you talking about Chelsea?

Yeah...WTF is up with that?

Well, give it to McAwful on one thing - he noticed that he had become a joke somewhere, I think, in the middle of that 11-in-a-row stretch and decided to embrace it. There's no way the Hawaiian shirts and drunken-on-rum interviews and "kiss my ass, Barack" could be real.

Yes, the exaulted one did get the kid glove treatment, but fair is fair. The Clintons have been the darlings of the media for years.

d976: DamnYankees: d976: A 28 year old who is publicly campaigning in a National Election which is on the world stage, but is somehow protected from reporters in an insanely amazing way that is not afforded to anyone else who presents themselves publicly...no movie star, not Princess Di (or her grown sons), not even Dick Cheney. I don't think anyone has got that kind of media protection since FDR.

Are you talking about Chelsea?

Yeah...WTF is up with that?

It's a special case. During Bill Clinton's presidency, he basically struck a deal with the press to leave her alone, let her live her life, and all that.

Somehow, that sphere of protection held up, even after she put herself out there. Strange, but not absurd.

Huh. I saw her pick up a microphone and monotone her way like a Phil Donahue with no excitement, faked enthusiasm...with a message that lost me after the first sentence. I kept waiting for ...and we'll be right back after a message from our sponsors.

/Gag. Spoon.

this website is becoming pathetic with all these Hillary headlines. MOVE ON!

#6: Giving Terry McAuliffe a straw and turning away for five seconds.

robsul82: Well, give it to McAwful on one thing - he noticed that he had become a joke somewhere, I think, in the middle of that 11-in-a-row stretch and decided to embrace it. There's no way the Hawaiian shirts and drunken-on-rum interviews and "kiss my ass, Barack" could be real.

Are you talking about his appearance on Morning Joe on Wednesday? It was some of the most bizarre television I've ever seen. Joe was pouring him shots, Mika gave him a hug. At 8:30 in the morning. It looked like some strange victory party for Hillary. I thought I was still asleep and dreaming it all.

DriedFrogPills: Are you talking about his appearance on Morning Joe on Wednesday? It was some of the most bizarre television I've ever seen. Joe was pouring him shots, Mika gave him a hug. At 8:30 in the morning. It looked like some strange victory party for Hillary. I thought I was still asleep and dreaming it all.

Here is McAuliffe's bizarre appearance (new window), for anyone interested. Truly farking weird stuff.

MrPerfectSU: Here is McAuliffe's bizarre appearance (new window), for anyone interested. Truly farking weird stuff.

Here is the video of McAuliffe doing shots. (new window)

driven to quit: I would say that the sniper fire was her biggest mistake. That and the 3am phone call. It baffles me as to how the hell this women stayed in this race so long.

I dunno. Those were both after everyone who could count knew Obama had won the nomination.

MrPerfectSU: DriedFrogPills: Are you talking about his appearance on Morning Joe on Wednesday? It was some of the most bizarre television I've ever seen. Joe was pouring him shots, Mika gave him a hug. At 8:30 in the morning. It looked like some strange victory party for Hillary. I thought I was still asleep and dreaming it all.

Here is McAuliffe's bizarre appearance (new window), for anyone interested. Truly farking weird stuff.

I didn't see this one, just the second one. Did you notice it was a different bottle of rum?

On the second clip, if it had started about 30 seconds earlier, Mika was acting excited that he was bringing liquor, she jumped up and gave him a hug. It was very strange.

/I still think Mika's hot.

I think her bragging that 'hardworking' white Americas supported her was a big slap in the face. Way to call a LOT of people lazy!

I'm not too concerned about the crying thing--it didn't seem to make much of a splash anywhere. Who cares if a tired politician gets choked up now & then?

My two other dumbass Hils moments were the "I'm a regular guy, watch me sip my shots&beer" yeah, right, Hillary, you're just one of the boys. No one bought that for a second.

And when she maligned her own daughter on national television by slamming brokers and financial planners, forgetting that that was what Chelsea does for a living. Ding-dong.

DamnYankees: For curious people:"

I would include Hillary4u&Me, even if she had nothing to do with it. It's that bad.

I will see your Hillary4UandMe and raise you this: (watch past 1 min, it gets AWESOME)
Link (new window)

I dunno. Those were both after everyone who could count knew Obama had won the nomination.

I agree. I think that her biggest fark up was the Drivers License bullshiat during one of the debates, back when she still had a chance, where she CLEARLY was bullshiatting and denying that she'd said something that every single person in the room, and watching from home, knew she'd said. Watching her twist and turn and then, when her own quote was re-read to her for a second time, trying to spin it into a rip on the Bush Administration... just, wow.

How could a voter still be a die-hard Hillary supporter after seeing the curtain pulled back THAT FAR?

Voting "yes" to Bush's war in Iraq. Save for that vote, she'd today be the nominee. Easily.