Good. Now they can make it a hate crime to try to convert ANYONE to ANY religion. Let's see how many generations religion can make it through when the only reason people would be exposed to it is if they deliberately sought it out rather than by having it forced on them by their parents.

TheCid: Good. Now they can make it a hate crime to try to convert ANYONE to ANY religion. Let's see how many generations religion can make it through when the only reason people would be exposed to it is if they deliberately sought it out rather than by having it forced on them by their parents.

Or by the sword.

submitter: Attempting to convert Muslims to Christianity is now a hate crime in the UK

If only that's what the article said instead of saying that an idiot cop who doesn't understand the concept of what constitutes a hate crime is being sent off for remedial training..

TheCid: Good. Now they can make it a hate crime to try to convert ANYONE to ANY religion. Let's see how many generations religion can make it through when the only reason people would be exposed to it is if they deliberately sought it out rather than by having it forced on them by their parents.

Yeah, fark freedom of speech, hell, yeah!

Ah, this just confirms my suspicions. The mods skipped over a few threads in redlighting, waited to see what comments would show up, then greenlit the ones with comments likely to spark a flamewar and redlit the others.

Nabb1: Yeah, fark freedom of speech, hell, yeah!

Ask a religious Jew about how they feel about Christian conversion.

Nabb1: Yeah, fark freedom of speech, hell, yeah!

however, you are right. It should not be outright banned.

surprise evangelicals:

no one likes it when you talk to us about jesus. take a hint.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#In_Islam
apostate is the word you are looking for

"According to most scholars, if a Muslim consciously and without coercion declares their rejection of Islam and does not change their mind after the time given to him/her by a judge for research, then the penalty for male apostates is death, and for women, life imprisonment. "

soooo techincally they are asking the person they are trying to get to convert to kill theirselves

/personally I consider this two birds with one stone

The epic level of braindead stupdity that this thread will engender is minboggling.

The Mods must be crazy.

Bufu: The epic level of braindead stupdity that this thread will engender is minboggling.

The Mods must be crazy.

Another Muslim and Christian bashing thread? These are always good for clicks.

Woot!

TheCid: Let's see how many generations religion can make it through when the only reason people would be exposed to it is if they deliberately sought it out rather than by having it forced on them by their parents.

As someone that rejected xtianity, deliberately sought out another religion and is currently in the process of converting to Judaism i'm really getting a kick out of your reply.

I agree with you though, I dont think people should be forced to convert to anything they dont want to. I'm planning on raising my kids Jewish but if G-d forbid they want to seek out some other religon then I wouldn't force them to stay in anything they didnt want to.

/I wouldn't be happy about it though

TheCid: Let's see how many generations religion can make it through when the only reason people would be exposed to it is if they deliberately sought it out rather than by having it forced on them by their parents.

Quite well actually. My parents sponsor people wishing to come into the catholic church. They sometimes have trouble finding enough people to be sponsors.

Also, as namatad pointed out. Islam preaches death to those who leave the religion, where Christianity welcomes those why have left back with open arms. That is quite a difference there.

/Luke 15:11-32

Holy shiat. I despise religion, but this is unacceptable.

Good for the preachers for standing up for themselves. Regardless of whether or not they were doing a good thing, they were harming no one and should have had the full protection of the law during the exercise of their rights.

Give 'em guns. Step back. Watch 'em kill each other. Have a slice of pizza.

-1 to subby for misleading title
-1 for the cop for being a douche
-2 for the ministers (prosthelyzing is farking annoying)

I believe in freedom of speech, however if I tell you to fark off then don't leave me pamphlets every other damn day on my door handle.

I don't want your God, now go away and leave me alone.

TheCid: Ah, this just confirms my suspicions. The mods skipped over a few threads in redlighting, waited to see what comments would show up, then greenlit the ones with comments likely to spark a flamewar and redlit the others.

I'm sincerely thinking this myself. Between a thing like this and the five anti-Obama church-related headlines (Five! All greenlit in under two days), I'm convinced there's a renegade modmin who is having a ball.

Crosshair: Quite well actually. My parents sponsor people wishing to come into the catholic church. They sometimes have trouble finding enough people to be sponsors.

Judging from the number of "lapsed catholics" I've seen on Fark, I'm fairly sure Catholicism has the largest turnover rate of any major branch of any of the major religions.

WFern: I'm sincerely thinking this myself. Between a thing like this and the five anti-Obama church-related headlines (Five! All greenlit in under two days), I'm convinced there's a renegade modmin who is having a ball.

What gets me is that there was a two-hour gap in redlights on the politics tab. I'm not even kidding. The "rumor of a Whitey" thread was green, all the other politics threads at 6:00 were red except for this one and the "Obama's decision to leave not political" one (which were black); then all the 7:00 threads and most of the 8:00 threads were red. Then they greened this one and the other one. Give me a break.

Tommy Moo: Give 'em guns. Step back. Watch 'em kill each other. Have a slice of pizza.

No guns in the UK, samurai swords illegal too, hmmm, paté knives maybe?

i hope that becomes the rule for any kind of conversion. i can then proceed and sue the advertising companies out of existence.

FTFA: "...there are certainly no-go areas for Christians who want to share the gospel.""

Where can I get in on this? I want to make my house a no-go area for f*cking Jehova's Witnesses.

Seriously. In general, people don't like to be told that they need to convert or they're going to Hell.

Also FTFA: "He said we were in a Muslim area and were not allowed to spread our Christian message. He said we were committing a hate crime by telling the youths to leave Islam and said that he was going to take us to the police station."

Yeah, I can't see why it's hateful to tell people that their chosen religion is sinful and evil, and that if they don't convert, they'll burn in Hell for all eternity.

TheCid: Judging from the number of "lapsed catholics" I've seen on Fark, I'm fairly sure Catholicism has the largest turnover rate of any major branch of any of the major religions.

Sure do.


The Impact of Religious Switching and Secularization on the Estimated Size of the U.S. Adult Catholic Population. (pdf)

GaryPDX: TheCid: Good. Now they can make it a hate crime to try to convert ANYONE to ANY religion. Let's see how many generations religion can make it through when the only reason people would be exposed to it is if they deliberately sought it out rather than by having it forced on them by their parents.

Or by the sword.

these guys!

LordJiro: FTFA: "...there are certainly no-go areas for Christians who want to share the gospel.""

Where can I get in on this? I want to make my house a no-go area for f*cking Jehova's Witnesses.

The easiest way to keep Jehova's Witnesses from coming to your house is to tell them your a former JW that left the flock. They're not allowed to speak to apostates.

/JWs used to come by all the time when I lived in upstate NY
//A few times in CA
///Have not run into them once since I've been in Austin
////Liked it when they came by

it's getting really hard to believe this is the same nation that survived the blitz and kicked the whole bloody world's arse bad teeth and all.

As a woman who was born/raised Muslim, but is a now a happy nonbeliever, ithinks this needs a hero tag. ALL proselytizing should be considered criminal. If your religion's so true, is shouldn't need convincing. Believe whatever the hell you wan on your own, keep your freedom of though/speech, but actively trying to convert someone from one mythology to another is like trading your snickers bar in for a "granola" bar covered in marshmallows, chocolate chips, caramel, and peanut butter, thinking it's a healthier substitute when it's the same ol' manufactured crap.

Welcome to Dhimmitude!

Raspoontang: As a woman who was born/raised Muslim, but is a now a happy nonbeliever, ithinks this needs a hero tag. ALL proselytizing should be considered criminal. If your religion's so true, is shouldn't need convincing. Believe whatever the hell you wan on your own, keep your freedom of though/speech, but actively trying to convert someone from one mythology to another is like trading your snickers bar in for a "granola" bar covered in marshmallows, chocolate chips, caramel, and peanut butter, thinking it's a healthier substitute when it's the same ol' manufactured crap.

Yes! Fark all that freedom of speech and stuff!

Raspoontang: As a woman who was born/raised Muslim, but is a now a happy nonbeliever, ithinks this needs a hero tag. ALL proselytizing should be considered criminal. If your religion's so true, is shouldn't need convincing. Believe whatever the hell you wan on your own, keep your freedom of though/speech, but actively trying to convert someone from one mythology to another is like trading your snickers bar in for a "granola" bar covered in marshmallows, chocolate chips, caramel, and peanut butter, thinking it's a healthier substitute when it's the same ol' manufactured crap.

muck4dooYes! Fark all that freedom of speech and stuff!

Can you read? Granted I have some typos in there, but do you need some help with basic comprehension and absorption of what you may (or may not) have just read?

a "granola" bar covered in marshmallows, chocolate chips, caramel, and peanut butter

That sounds delicious.

/boo for proselytizing

Raspoontang: Raspoontang: As a woman who was born/raised Muslim, but is a now a happy nonbeliever, ithinks this needs a hero tag. ALL proselytizing should be considered criminal. If your religion's so true, is shouldn't need convincing. Believe whatever the hell you wan on your own, keep your freedom of though/speech, but actively trying to convert someone from one mythology to another is like trading your snickers bar in for a "granola" bar covered in marshmallows, chocolate chips, caramel, and peanut butter, thinking it's a healthier substitute when it's the same ol' manufactured crap.

muck4dooYes! Fark all that freedom of speech and stuff!

Can you read? Granted I have some typos in there, but do you need some help with basic comprehension and absorption of what you may (or may not) have just read?

Why, yes. Yes I can.

And I'm sure all the people that are up in arms about this would be just as outraged if the religions were swapped around....

muck4doo: Raspoontang: Raspoontang: As a woman who was born/raised Muslim, but is a now a happy nonbeliever, ithinks this needs a hero tag. ALL proselytizing should be considered criminal. If your religion's so true, is shouldn't need convincing. Believe whatever the hell you wan on your own, keep your freedom of though/speech, but actively trying to convert someone from one mythology to another is like trading your snickers bar in for a "granola" bar covered in marshmallows, chocolate chips, caramel, and peanut butter, thinking it's a healthier substitute when it's the same ol' manufactured crap.

muck4dooYes! Fark all that freedom of speech and stuff!

Can you read? Granted I have some typos in there, but do you need some help with basic comprehension and absorption of what you may (or may not) have just read?

Why, yes. Yes I can.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

FTA: They said when the officer realised they were American, although both have lived in Britain for many years, he launched a tirade against President Bush and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Sounds like the bobby was more upset with Americans than Christians. Perhaps he was just warning them not to go into an area where Americans aren't particularly welcome, i.e. black man in Lynchburg, TN; white man in East St. Louis?

So after reading TFA I have to side with the Evangelists on this one - not familiar with British law, but it certainly sounds like the officer had a bone to pick with Christian Americans and just trumped up a weak charge to bust them on.

I get as annoyed as the next person when someone attempts to witness to me, but I am in no way in favor of silencing them. Only when they cease to engage in rational debate and move towards force should action truly be warranted.

I'm all for free speech, so even though proselytizing is incredibly irritating, it should be allowed.

That said, why would any church want the kind of person who will change their core beliefs because a stranger randomly hands them a pamphlet that states wild claims as absolute and eternal truth?

Raspoontang: As a woman who was born/raised Muslim, but is a now a happy nonbeliever, ithinks this needs a hero tag. ALL proselytizing should be considered criminal. If your religion's so true, is shouldn't need convincing. Believe whatever the hell you wan on your own, keep your freedom of though/speech, but actively trying to convert someone from one mythology to another is like trading your snickers bar in for a "granola" bar covered in marshmallows, chocolate chips, caramel, and peanut butter, thinking it's a healthier substitute when it's the same ol' manufactured crap.

Congratulations on getting out of that mysogynistic cult.

Raspoontang: I do not think it means what you think it means.

It means attempting to convert a person to your belief, (usually a religious belief) and that is covered by the 1st Amendment - and I assume the British equivalent.

Making it illegal to do so would be a complete violation of that right, period.

Raspoontang: As a woman who was born/raised Muslim, but is a now a happy nonbeliever, ithinks this needs a hero tag. ALL proselytizing should be considered criminal. If your religion's so true, is shouldn't need convincing. Believe whatever the hell you wan on your own, keep your freedom of though/speech, but actively trying to convert someone from one mythology to another is like trading your snickers bar in for a "granola" bar covered in marshmallows, chocolate chips, caramel, and peanut butter, thinking it's a healthier substitute when it's the same ol' manufactured crap.

but, but, if the jehova's witnesses don't come to my door any more waking me up from my naps on the couch hawking those watch tower magazines, who am i gonna sic my poor dog on then huh? huh?

Raspoontang: muck4doo: Raspoontang: Raspoontang: As a woman who was born/raised Muslim, but is a now a happy nonbeliever, ithinks this needs a hero tag. ALL proselytizing should be considered criminal. If your religion's so true, is shouldn't need convincing. Believe whatever the hell you wan on your own, keep your freedom of though/speech, but actively trying to convert someone from one mythology to another is like trading your snickers bar in for a "granola" bar covered in marshmallows, chocolate chips, caramel, and peanut butter, thinking it's a healthier substitute when it's the same ol' manufactured crap.

muck4dooYes! Fark all that freedom of speech and stuff!

Can you read? Granted I have some typos in there, but do you need some help with basic comprehension and absorption of what you may (or may not) have just read?

Why, yes. Yes I can.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

*blinks*

ninjakirby: Raspoontang: I do not think it means what you think it means.

It means attempting to convert a person to your belief, (usually a religious belief) and that is covered by the 1st Amendment - and I assume the British equivalent.

Making it illegal to do so would be a complete violation of that right, period.

Yes, but the way they do it (in my experience, though I'm American; Maybe Brits do it differently) would get you arrested for harassment if it weren't in the name of religion.

Not to mention littering. Stupid pamphlets/Watchtower.

muck4doo: Raspoontang: As a woman who was born/raised Muslim, but is a now a happy nonbeliever, ithinks this needs a hero tag. ALL proselytizing should be considered criminal. If your religion's so true, is shouldn't need convincing. Believe whatever the hell you wan on your own, keep your freedom of though/speech, but actively trying to convert someone from one mythology to another is like trading your snickers bar in for a "granola" bar covered in marshmallows, chocolate chips, caramel, and peanut butter, thinking it's a healthier substitute when it's the same ol' manufactured crap.

Yes! Fark all that freedom of speech and stuff!

BAH!

Freedom of speech is just a tool of oppression of the JudaoChristian West!

Well this wouldn't surprise me. This is the same country that is wanting to drop lessons about the holocaust because they are afraid Muslim kids will be offended.

LordJiro: Yes, but the way they do it (in my experience, though I'm American; Maybe Brits do it differently) would get you arrested for harassment if it weren't in the name of religion.

Not to mention littering. Stupid pamphlets/Watchtower.

I live in a pretty high pop JW community, (I walk past a couple pamphlet corners and three churches on my way to class) but have never had them approach me beyond an inquisitive look and holding out a Watchtower rag. If they act differently elsewhere, I've not experienced it.
Of course, I live in downtown Oakland, where going door to door and approaching strangers is hardly a safe venture.

Evangelists with their classes and their training programs and that bullshiat is certainly bordering on harassment, and people who cross the line should be busted for it.

/Also - Mormons. I see that bicycle and white shirt, I get all kinds of giddy. Thats like my 'speciality' when it comes to poking holes in theology.

I cannot wait for the next Crusade!

Let the cops who did this fry. As long as they weren't acting aggressively (not _preaching aggressively_, I mean threatening), this should be considered a civil rights violation.

PC LOAD LETTER: Ask a religious Jew about how they feel about Christian conversion.


I just asked a Jew that very question, but all he said was "Help! It's too hot in here! Get me out of this oven! And I think this gas is toxic!"


So I don't know what to make of it.