Scott,

Don't give up on the Republican party. Remember our goals = smaller government, fiscal conservatism and strong support of the consitution.

Fight to take the Republican party back from Nixon, Regan, Bush(s)... and the rest of these idiots who propagated the Southern stategy and combining religion with politics.

Ron Paul maybe a loser, but he damn sure is more of a Republican than 90% of the asshats today. Join Hagel and take your party back!

Scott, once you go Barack you never come back.

What a tool bag Scott is, and a wussy as well. Stand up and be a man. Don't whine when you were supposed to be doing your job and speaking truth to power.

Is he going to actually, you know, apologize for all his lies? Or will he just sit back and count the book revenues?

With luck, this will end with Bush in handcuffs.

/crosses fingers

Oh what the fark, is he trying to be press secretary for Obama now? Nobody trusts you Scott. You're a massive tool. You parroted the lies of the worst administration in US history, and you think writing a little book is going to make it all better? You are a symbol of the lies of this administration. If you meant a single goddamn word of what you're saying, you would have spoke up back then and quit, or flipped out at a press conference and tossed your notes at the press corps and admit that everything on there is bullshiat.

Is he going to actually, you know, apologize for all his lies? Or will he just sit back and count the book revenues?

I have a hard time holding this guy responsible for repeating information --- it was his job. As a press secretary, you have to have faith that your recieving/passing on good information. Is he guilty for lying? If he uttered a lie, fully knowing it was a lie, then yes. If he lied because he was lied to (which is precisely the case), then not so much. The primary reason he wrote this book was because he felt like that trust was violated.

This whole shiatstorm surrounding McClellan has had only one effect on me: I have lost respect for Bob Dole.

Neurochemist: Is he guilty for lying? If he uttered a lie, fully knowing it was a lie, then yes.

He has said, among other things, that he knew full well he was spouting bullshiat.

Follow the money. He will make boat loads of money.

He has said, among other things, that he knew full well he was spouting bullshiat.

I've heard him say *in hindsight*, but I have yet to hear him say what your are claiming. Can you provide a citation? IMHO, you are being mighty quick to judge this guy... When I take into consideration this guys life and involvement with politics, money is far too linear of a reason to write this book. Read the book (check out from the library) before you start criticising the guy.

marital aid?

/nothin
//I appreciate his hone$ty, but if he thought things were funky he should have said something or quit when he was there.

Neurochemist: Can you provide a citation?

I've seen him saying more directly that he knew he wasn't telling the truth, but this article is all I can find right now. The second set of paragraphs, covering Iraq, have him saying that he knew that they were making up stuff to go into Iraq.

The second set of paragraphs, covering Iraq, have him saying that he knew that they were making up stuff to go into Iraq.

I read the article and the 2nd set of paragraphs most definitley does not imply that "he knew" they were lieing. I've heard quite a few interviews with him and in everyone, he says that overtime, he began feeling uncertain about some of the information being fed to him, but was always reassured that it was factual. I wouldn't normally side with a guy like this, but if you take the time to watch the PBS documentary Bush's War and understand how Colin Powell got screwed over by this administration -- it will shed a lot of insight into what happened with Mclellan.

Neurochemist: Don't give up on the Republican party. Remember our goals = smaller government, fiscal conservatism and strong support of the consitution.

I'd be a Republican if this is what the GOP was really about.

What ever happened to just voting for the candidate you thought was most qualified?

Why are people so determined to plead loyalty to political parties that only care about using them for power?

Seems like a weird thing to me. I'll never be anything other than independent, because the idea of signing up to be a member of a party seems a lot like joining a cult.

Neurochemist:

I've heard him say *in hindsight*, but I have yet to hear him say what your are claiming.

Try to find his interview with Olbermann. I missed the last half of it, but I'm fairly sure I heard him admit to lying at least once during the first 20-30 minutes.

Lionel Mandrake:

I have lost respect for Bob Dole

Aside from having a mildly amusing sense of humour I really didn't understand the draw. His wife is a batshiat insane fundie though, and I'm glad that both of them are having fits over her impending loss in November.

/one less crazy in power is always a good thing

I wiz I haad a book dill. Id maek lot of manie.

Lionel Mandrake: This whole shiatstorm surrounding McClellan has had only one effect on me: I have lost respect for Bob Dole.

This.

I've never trusted McClellan, think he's a scumbag, and wouldn't hesitate to beat him with a sack of hammers if I were able to get away with it, but it's very telling that no one associated with the Bush Administration has yet stated that anything contained in his book is factually false.

Occam
Nondenial denial, whatever that is. What is it, anyway? The internets weren't as useful as I hoped.

KramericaWallet: Occam
Nondenial denial, whatever that is. What is it, anyway? The internets weren't as useful as I hoped.

Your post lacked coherency. Please clarify.

Meh

Scott McClellan: Real life concern troll.

Lionel Mandrake: This whole shiatstorm surrounding McClellan has had only one effect on me: I have lost respect for Bob Dole.

What's the matter? Didn't Bob hawking Viagra do it for you?

I was saying it's a nondenial denial. And then I was asking what a nondenial denial actually means. I don't know if that's any clearer, but I know I can't make it any clearer than that. I think the nondenial phrase was coined around the time of Watergate, but I don't remember/know what the specific thing it referred to was.

Irregardless: Follow the money. He will make boat loads of money.

But aren't the president and vice president supposed to "make boat loads of money"?

Neurochemist: Don't give up on the Republican party. Remember our goals = smaller government, fiscal conservatism and strong support of the consitution.

Not anymore, they're not. You'd be far better to either make these pillars of the Democratic party OR to make a New American Conservative Party and let the "neo-conservatives" rot in the Republican bed they've made.

We don't want you Scotty boy. We don't need any controversial, gay Republicans jumping on the already overloaded bandwagon. We've already taken on too many pathetic Clinton losers.

Occam's Chainsaw: I've never trusted McClellan, think he's a scumbag, and wouldn't hesitate to beat him with a sack of hammers if I were able to get away with it, but it's very telling that no one associated with the Bush Administration has yet stated that anything contained in his book is factually false.

it's fun watching Perino tap dance around the question of "did Bush declassify the portion of the NIE that had Plame's name in it?"

she falls back on the "this is still in civil litigation canard"
we know he did it. and Cheney then told Libby to leak it. Libby and Rove then leaked it Novak. And the rest is history. Once it was out there the entire administration was bludgeoning Wilson with it to discredit him. And we know he was telling the truth.
The president lied to us in the SOTU address after he'd been told not to. Hadley has admitted that he's the one who made the mistake of putting that into the speech but that's just cover for the big guys. Just like Scooter. He took one for the team. Good loyalists. They take care of them. You see how Scooter came out of this. maybe a little slime on him but he never had to serve any time. they paid for his defense. Probably taking really good care of him too. So that anyone else that has to face the music knows they'll get their back.

that's why I think most of the real good stuff will happen after Bush is gone. If Obama wins it and the Dems have a big majority it should be fun to watch.

Confabulat: What ever happened to just voting for the candidate you thought was most qualified?

Why are people so determined to plead loyalty to political parties that only care about using them for power?

Seems like a weird thing to me. I'll never be anything other than independent, because the idea of signing up to be a member of a party seems a lot like joining a cult.

Well, actually, I think that McClellen happens to agree with you on that.

FTFA: "Well, you know, there are things I like about the Republicans, Republican ideas, and there are Democrat ideas I like," he said.

"I've not made a decision in terms of the presidential election," he added. "I'm someone who believes in centrist governing philosophy. And that's what the president believed in as governor, but as president he moved too far to the right too often."

I think the fail in this case belongs to subby who took a headline that read "McClellen Backs Some of Obama's Agenda" and turned into ZOMG NO LONGER REPUBLICAN. There is also some amount of fail to be had in the actual article for dropping the bogus "didn't say Friday whether he still considers himself a Republican."

What the fark is that? He also didn't mention whether or not he is an evil schizophrenic robot from the planet Zorgnoth. That hardly means he is.

/EVERYBODY PANIC
//ZORGNOTHIANS INVADE
///More at 11

Neurochemist: Don't give up on the Republican party. Remember our goals = smaller government, fiscal conservatism and strong support of the consitution.

I am sorry, but we should not be working toward a smaller government. This does not mean we should be working for a larger government. If you want to have this quasi-free market contraption we are trying to hold up you need a government that plugs the holes. In other words in a free market economy the government should be there to provide services and solve problems where there is no profitable solution. It is also necessary to have the government there to regulate commerce. When the goal of your system is to pay the least for the means of production and sell the item for the highest possible price the government plays a vital role in making sure that labor is protected and there is opportunity for someone looking to compete against established businesses. If you want to have a free market system there is a need for a strong government. You free marketers say it all the time people are greedy and that is what make a free market work. Just look what happens in countries around the world that do not have a strong central government to control the greed.

Or actually, to be more in line with the combination article/subby fail, I guess since he didn't mention his Zorgnothian heritage, he isn't Zorgnothian. And by my irrefutable logic, that makes him the ONLY other option, an invading Blinathian Cyborg from Hipshnia 7.

/I should write bad sci-fi

Lionel Mandrake: This whole shiatstorm surrounding McClellan has had only one effect on me: I have lost respect for Bob Dole.

Amen to that. The entire tone of Bob Dole's message was about "loyalty", and the tone that it was written in was both insulting and uppity. It wasn't that long ago that Americans were proud of the fact that they dipped their flag to no kings at the Olympic games, now we have an old asshat lecturing on "loyalty" to a man who was disturbed about being forced to openly lie.

fark Bob Dole, up the ass, with a red hot poker.
And thank the good Lord that son a biatch never became president.

I'd like to be the first to say that "Square Aid" made me laugh. Good on you, Mr. Submitter.

Don't give up on the Republican party.

Give it up Scott.
The Republican party deserves to die after what Bush&Co. have done to the constitution and our country regardless of what they once stood for!

This is all a brilliant marking ploy.

I don't doubt Bush lied and this book tells a lot of the truth, but apparently the title, "What Happened", doesn't just refer to Scott's time in the Bush administration, but his entire life as well. I'm almost halfway through the book and am still dealing with Scott's personal account of being raised in his home, early political careers, and where he was during 9-11. All the while, he's an innocent victim in it all. I just don't buy it.

Scott's mom ran for governor of Texas under the name "Grandma", which worked until she realized it would come back to bite her as most of her supporters didn't know her real name.

Once again, the only response worth giving to Scott McClellan

Scott,

There are miserable creatures like you in every administration who don't have the guts to speak up or quit if there are disagreements with the boss or colleagues. No, your type soaks up the benefits of power, revels in the limelight for years, then quits, and spurred on by greed, cashes in with a scathing critique.

In my nearly 36 years of public service I've known of a few like you. No doubt you will "clean up" as the liberal anti-Bush press will promote your belated concerns with wild enthusiasm. When the money starts rolling in you should donate it to a worthy cause, something like, "Biting The Hand That Fed Me." Another thought is to weasel your way back into the White House if a Democrat is elected. That would provide a good set up for a second book deal in a few years.

I have no intention of reading your "exposé" because if all these awful things were happening, and perhaps some may have been, you should have spoken up publicly like a man, or quit your cushy, high profile job. That would have taken integrity and courage but then you would have had credibility and your complaints could have been aired objectively. You're a hot ticket now but don't you, deep down, feel like a total ingrate?

BOB DOLE

As a voter, what I really want to know is which direction Scott McClellan's creepy baby hands are pointing.

I can't imagine why he's not proud of his service to this fabulous administration. I suppose he really is just a 'disgruntled' ex employee.

The GOP should have been disbanded after Nixon. Instead, it survived on its deadly Pride and mutated into what we see today: an unholy amalgam of religious nut-baggery, warmongering and corruption held together by sinews of willful ignorance.

Neurochemist: Scott,

Don't give up on the Republican party. Remember our goals = smaller government, fiscal conservatism and strong support of the consitution.


Hahahahahahahahaha!

Fight to take the Republican party back from Nixon, Regan, Bush(s)... and the rest of these idiots who propagated the Southern stategy and combining religion with politics.

If you want that to happen, you have to stop supporting the Republican dipshiats until they stop being dipshiats.

Ron Paul maybe a loser, but he damn sure is more of a Republican than 90% of the asshats today. Join Hagel and take your party back!

RON PAUL!
I can respect Hagel

Looked up what Bob Dole has been doing lately.

In April of 2007, the Walter Reed scandal was brought forward, where the returning wounded from Iraq and Afghanistan were living in subhuman conditions, due to the contracts for the staffing being given over to Halliburton. Stung by the criticism, Cheney/Bush do immediate damage control and appoint Bob Dole and Clinton's flunky Donna Shalala to look into the matter.

We have heard nothing about it since, and Halliburton was never punished.

Yes, he's a neocon shill, putting the good of the republican insider contracts ahead of the good of the nation. Now they are trotting out his arrogant ass again, for more damage control.

He was once part of the "Greatest Generation" now he's a neocon flunky.

Neurochemist: Don't give up on the Republican party. Remember our goals = smaller government, fiscal conservatism and strong support of the consitution.

comedy gold right in the Boobies.

Does anyone else remember Scott's mom running for something in Texas, and Bush's gang going against her? Right there, they lost his support, and this is the result.

Sorry about the length on the reply; my place of work went apeshiat so I had a few hours of chaos to wade through before quitting time. I swear I need to fire half my help.

KramericaWallet: I was saying it's a nondenial denial. And then I was asking what a nondenial denial actually means. I don't know if that's any clearer, but I know I can't make it any clearer than that. I think the nondenial phrase was coined around the time of Watergate, but I don't remember/know what the specific thing it referred to was.

I think I get what you're getting at. Attack the speaker without refuting the content as a form of denial. Yup, that's what we have here.

Again, McClellan is doing this for self-interest and is probably largely motivated by greed. Doesn't change the content of his book, though, nor does it change that the Bush admin is strangely mum about denying the veracity of said book.

I don't get all this hype about McClellan.

In a 2003 interview with Vanity Fair, Paul Wolfowitz, then Deputy Secretary of Defence and intellectual architect of the war, gave a hint when he suggested that WMD were only one reason for the invasion - "something everyone could agree on". Mr McClellan goes significantly further. The administration's real motive for war, he declares, was the neoconservative dream of creating a democratic Iraq that would pave the way for an enduring peace in the region.

But the White House had to sell the war as necessary because of the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. They accordingly took a different tack, not of "out-and-out deception", but of "shading the truth". This was achieved by "innuendo and implication", and by "intentionally ignoring intelligence to the contrary".[1]

This is only news if you've been stuffed in a veal box for the last few years..

Neurochemist: Scott,

Fight to take the Republican party back from Nixon, Regan, Bush(s)... and the rest of these idiots who propagated the Southern stategy and combining religion with politics.


It's too late for that now. It was probably too late for that, oh, 25 years ago.

He's not writing the book for cash.

He could be living off the teat of corruption all he wanted to...

A good spineless cronnie in DC makes much more than any lousy one book writer, any day.

ochobit: He's not writing the book for cash.

He could be living off the teat of corruption all he wanted to...

A good spineless cronnie in DC makes much more than any lousy one book writer, any day.

i was thinking about this, then I ran into this article (written by Buchanan of all people) that nails it.

I think it is an act of disloyalty to the president of the United States. I think Mr. McClellan is clearly been badly used in the Valerie Plame affair. I think he feels his credibility, his most priceless asset, was used up and wasted by Karl Rove and others who misled him and through (ph) him. The reporters and the press, and the country was misled. So, I think, there is real bitterness there.

I do think, though, substantively, he's probably right. I've always believed that George Bush's real motive in going into Iraq - first, I think he did decide upon it early in 2002, to go to Iraq, when he went in in 2003, and I do believe the whole idea was an invasion in order to establish a democracy in Iraq as part of this utopian idea that we're going to democratize the Middle East, liberate Baghdad, Iran will see how well we have done. They will overthrow that regime. They'll be peace between the Palestinians.

The president of the United States was sold a bill of goods by his neoconservative advisors, I think. And you see it in all his speeches. He believes this theory, this theme. He comes back to it again and again [1].

randomjsa: Once again, the only response worth giving to Scott McClellan

Scott,

There are miserable creatures like you in every administration who don't have the guts to speak up or quit if there are disagreements with the boss or colleagues. No, your type soaks up the benefits of power, revels in the limelight for years, then quits, and spurred on by greed, cashes in with a scathing critique.

In my nearly 36 years of public service I've known of a few like you. No doubt you will "clean up" as the liberal anti-Bush press will promote your belated concerns with wild enthusiasm. When the money starts rolling in you should donate it to a worthy cause, something like, "Biting The Hand That Fed Me." Another thought is to weasel your way back into the White House if a Democrat is elected. That would provide a good set up for a second book deal in a few years.

I have no intention of reading your "exposé" because if all these awful things were happening, and perhaps some may have been, you should have spoken up publicly like a man, or quit your cushy, high profile job. That would have taken integrity and courage but then you would have had credibility and your complaints could have been aired objectively. You're a hot ticket now but don't you, deep down, feel like a total ingrate?

BOB DOLE

Because blind loyalty to a government is such a desirable thing?

randomjsa: Once again, the only response worth giving to Scott McClellan

Scott,

There are miserable creatures like you in every administration who don't have the guts to speak up or quit if there are disagreements with the boss or colleagues. No, your type soaks up the benefits of power, revels in the limelight for years, then quits, and spurred on by greed, cashes in with a scathing critique.

In my nearly 36 years of public service I've known of a few like you. No doubt you will "clean up" as the liberal anti-Bush press will promote your belated concerns with wild enthusiasm. When the money starts rolling in you should donate it to a worthy cause, something like, "Biting The Hand That Fed Me." Another thought is to weasel your way back into the White House if a Democrat is elected. That would provide a good set up for a second book deal in a few years.

I have no intention of reading your "exposé" because if all these awful things were happening, and perhaps some may have been, you should have spoken up publicly like a man, or quit your cushy, high profile job. That would have taken integrity and courage but then you would have had credibility and your complaints could have been aired objectively. You're a hot ticket now but don't you, deep down, feel like a total ingrate?

BOB DOLE

Boy this is fun watching you guys eat your own!

What will really be great is when B. Hussien Obama is elected POTUS and lets all of the brothers out of jail and then fills them back up with the treasonous Bushco^tm criminals.

Rejoicing, there will be much of it!