why unlikely? there won't be enough obstructionists left to stop him.

He has some seriously lofty goals for his first 100 days.

I'll wager that doesn't happen.

oye

And free ponies for everyone!

I guess he doesn't care much about the Constitution after all.

No thanks, I pay in cash.

I can't say that anyone could get a comprehensive national healthcare plan together and passed in 100 days. Ambitious, but unlikely.

I wish the Democrats had some answers other than "The Government", anything. I know they mean well, but damn. Get off the "Government must do it all for everyone" bullshiat.

lunchinlewis: And free ponies for everyone!

and free health care for the ponies!

the clintons couldn't do it the first time around with a democratic congress. what makes the messiah think he can do it now?

And I'm sure that a national healthcare plan slapped together in 100 days won't have any problems.

Where are all the woo hoo Obama's gonna reverse all of jesus georgie's unconstitutional laws in the first 100 days people now?

I'm not sure that whole private Insurance industry will willingly sign up for a government takeover. Seems highly unlikely..fanciful at best.

Hey gullible America, Obama will solve all of your problems; you will never have to worry about anything ever again!!1!

/What a farking joke
// I really hope this guy doesn't get elected but thanks to all the ignorant people out there he might

GaryPDX: I'm not sure that whole private Insurance industry will willingly sign up for a government takeover. Seems highly unlikely..fanciful at best.

Whatever gets them to the polls in November.

The current health care system sucks donkeys, but the well-entrenched insurance companies with their vast quantities of political leverage (money) will stifle any and all efforts of reform, no matter how well-intentioned.

Great, another reason for me to vote against him.

lunchinlewis: And free ponies for everyone!

YAY! PONIES!

EatHam: And I'm sure that a national healthcare plan slapped together in 100 days won't have any problems.

Ha -- this.

When a candidate makes pie in the sky promises he doesn't have a good chance of delivering, there is something very wrong. If you think there is a legit chance that this could realistically be accomplished in 100 days, you are out of your mind.

/see Ron Paul candidacy

Colonel_Debugger: Where are all the woo hoo Obama's gonna reverse all of jesus georgie's unconstitutional laws in the first 100 days people now?

A: those are executive orders, not laws.

B: this was a stupid thing for Obama to say and I really hope he doesn't actually try to do this.

Nestea Plunge: GaryPDX: I wish the Democrats had some answers other than "The Government", anything. I know they mean well, but damn. Get off the "Government must do it all for everyone" bullshiat.

Why not, Bush has bloated the government more than any president to date, might as well take advantage.

i wish the republicans had some answers other than "free market, lol just kidding the government", anything. i know they mean well but damn. get off the "we're going to say one thing on the campaign trail and then do the exact opposite in office" bullshiat they've been on for the past 50 years.

Nestea Plunge: GaryPDX: I wish the Democrats had some answers other than "The Government", anything. I know they mean well, but damn. Get off the "Government must do it all for everyone" bullshiat.

Why not, Bush has bloated the government more than any president to date, might as well take advantage.

Swing pendulum swing. Dude, the mistake is launching off BushCo as a baseline. Bush is ALSO an idealistic turd. Have some balance. 8 years ago Bush was in the 80's approval ratings, now the pendulum is about to swing widely the other direction. Both are bad..understand?

burndtdan: wish the republicans had some answers other than "free market, lol just kidding the government

there are tons of GOP suggestions out there. we're not going to do your research for you. check out mccain's plan.

GaryPDX: Swing pendulum swing. Dude, the mistake is launching off BushCo as a baseline. Bush is ALSO an idealistic turd. Have some balance. 8 years ago Bush was in the 80's approval ratings, now the pendulum is about to swing widely the other direction. Both are bad..understand?

that might have some merit if bill clinton didn't leave office with high approval ratings. the president immediately preceding your example does not follow your theory. in other words, next time think back farther than the most recent example before suggesting a trend.

KnightsCross: Hey gullible America, Obama will solve all of your problems; you will never have to worry about anything ever again!!1!

/What a farking joke
// I really hope this guy doesn't get elected but thanks to all the ignorant people out there he might

they've got a cave troll.

albo: burndtdan: wish the republicans had some answers other than "free market, lol just kidding the government

there are tons of GOP suggestions out there. we're not going to do your research for you. check out mccain's plan.

it's about the same as nixon's plan, reagan's plan, bush h.w.'s plan, bush w.'s plan.

"free market, lol just kidding the government".

i understand that you want free market, but you've been conned out of a reduced government since nixon started the conservative movement. how many times do you have to be conned before you realize they aren't going to do it?

now, to be fair, that means it's possible that obama is not going to do what he says. that is a measured risk taken with every candidate. it's just that... of the two examples, one party has a LOT more evidence against believing them.

burndtdan: i wish the republicans had some answers other than "free market, lol just kidding the government", anything. i know they mean well but damn. get off the "we're going to say one thing on the campaign trail and then do the exact opposite in office" bullshiat they've been on for the past 50 years.

Yes, the GOP has been a disgrace for some time now. And that has absolutely nothing to do with my opposition to government-run healthcare.

Nestea Plunge: Why not, Bush has bloated the government more than any president to date, might as well take advantage

If your defense is "Well we're better than Bush", don't you think that's setting the bar a little bit low?

burndtdan: GaryPDX: Swing pendulum swing. Dude, the mistake is launching off BushCo as a baseline. Bush is ALSO an idealistic turd. Have some balance. 8 years ago Bush was in the 80's approval ratings, now the pendulum is about to swing widely the other direction. Both are bad..understand?

that might have some merit if bill clinton didn't leave office with high approval ratings. the president immediately preceding your example does not follow your theory. in other words, next time think back farther than the most recent example before suggesting a trend.

Oh c'mon..look at Clintons Pardon list. It's over 150 nefarious people. Clintons economics were pie in the sky...remember the dot bomb bubble? That was long before any 9/11.

Do you really want to keep leapfrogging between POTUS's? What's the common denominator?

I'll tell you..The People aren't running the show! That's wrong no matter what direction you're coming from.

There's no way in hell Obama can make this promise happen.

doublesecretprobation: KnightsCross: Hey gullible America, Obama will solve all of your problems; you will never have to worry about anything ever again!!1!

/What a farking joke
// I really hope this guy doesn't get elected but thanks to all the ignorant people out there he might

they've got a cave troll.

Nicely done.

Yeah, it's like that.

I'll wager he didn't promise that.

(checks TFA)

Nope.

He said he wants to "[G]et our health care plan moving. We need a bill...by March or April to get going before the political season sets in."

Nothing about socialized medicine, just healthcare reform.

(corrected "out" to "our")

GaryPDX: I'll tell you..The People aren't running the show! That's wrong no matter what direction you're coming from.


I don't want the people running the show... I'd rather find people smarter than me who have similar views to make the decisions for me.

This is why we live in a Republic...

Ryan2065: I'd rather find people smarter than me who have similar views to make the decisions for me.

Please government! You are so wise and smart! Tell me what I should be doing with my money. You know what, instead of letting me keep some, I should just give it to you because you are so smart. You will surely spend it better and more wisely than I would.

Ryan2065: GaryPDX: I'll tell you..The People aren't running the show! That's wrong no matter what direction you're coming from.


I don't want the people running the show... I'd rather find people smarter than me who have similar views to make the decisions for me.

This is why we live in a Republic...

I "choose" differently. As long as I can "choose" as a Free American, I won't complain, much..:)

GaryPDX: burndtdan: GaryPDX: Swing pendulum swing. Dude, the mistake is launching off BushCo as a baseline. Bush is ALSO an idealistic turd. Have some balance. 8 years ago Bush was in the 80's approval ratings, now the pendulum is about to swing widely the other direction. Both are bad..understand?

that might have some merit if bill clinton didn't leave office with high approval ratings. the president immediately preceding your example does not follow your theory. in other words, next time think back farther than the most recent example before suggesting a trend.

Oh c'mon..look at Clintons Pardon list. It's over 150 nefarious people. Clintons economics were pie in the sky...remember the dot bomb bubble? That was long before any 9/11.

Do you really want to keep leapfrogging between POTUS's? What's the common denominator?

I'll tell you..The People aren't running the show! That's wrong no matter what direction you're coming from.

There's no way in hell Obama can make this promise happen.

none of that is an example of the "pendulum swinging". he wasn't perfect, but the people still liked him, and he was still considered a decent president.

and since when am i being told by someone much more republican than i that the president can control or fix the economy? if that's the case, then it isn't a coincidence the economy is in the shiatter right now with bush in office, and if that's the case then following the same general trend of policy (ie - voting for mccain) is not going to do anything but keep us there.

if that's not the case, then bill clinton couldn't have prevented the dot-com bubble.

personally, i don't think he could have done much about it. the president can only shape the playing field, he can't control the game.

I think they should have an optional national healthcare. Why not? I have had problems getting health care in the past and have big bills because of it. No sense in letting people go bankrupt becasue they broke an arm.

doublesecretprobation:

I was serious

Ryan2065: I'd rather find people smarter than me who have similar views to make the decisions for me.

Smart people aren't going to take a job in national politics. Smart people are going to work in the private sector where they can make 10 times the money with none of the public humiliation and attacks.

burndtdan: personally, i don't think he could have done much about it. the president can only shape the playing field, he can't control the game.

Now we're talking along the same lines. Those who claim they can make me real edgy.

KaponoFor3: Please government! You are so wise and smart! Tell me what I should be doing with my money. You know what, instead of letting me keep some, I should just give it to you because you are so smart. You will surely spend it better and more wisely than I would.

I'm sorry you disagree with the founding fathers who created a Republic instead of a Democracy. Perhaps you can start your own nation where the popular vote decides everything like a true Democracy.

I know I don't want the people who voted Bush in twice deciding how to spend our money.

Running a-puck: Colonel_Debugger: Where are all the woo hoo Obama's gonna reverse all of jesus georgie's unconstitutional laws in the first 100 days people now?

A: those are executive orders, not laws.

B: this was a stupid thing for Obama to say and I really hope he doesn't actually try to do this.

What's so stupid about it? Heck, I think he should go further back -- at least through Clinton, and possibly even further. Unconstitutional executive orders are clearly a bad thing, and I'd love to see them go.

Sgygus: The current health care system sucks donkeys, but the well-entrenched insurance companies with their vast quantities of political leverage (money) will stifle any and all efforts of reform, no matter how well-intentioned.

The only thing wrong with our health care system is government intervention and red tape.

GaryPDX

We already have national healthcare.

KaponoFor3

We already have national healthcare.

Hank Rearden

We already have national healthcare.

mmm... pancake

We already have national healthcare.


Did I miss anyone?

jonasborg: I think they should have an optional national healthcare. Why not? I have had problems getting health care in the past and have big bills because of it. No sense in letting people go bankrupt becasue they broke an arm.

Every American should have a "choice" on the table. I'm all for a more efficient and cheaper way. I'm self employed and I pay higher premiums than most group plans. But that's my freedom of "choice" and I like it that way. Beyond that, I don't like the notion of a government, any government, in the health care business. I think it's a very bad idea.

SchlingFo: Smart people aren't going to take a job in national politics. Smart people are going to work in the private sector where they can make 10 times the money with none of the public humiliation and attacks.

I disagree. In 200 years who is going to be remembered? The last 10 richest people in the world or the last 10 presidents?

Some people want their page in the history books and you will have an easier time doing that in national politics than through the private sector.

unlikely: I'll wager he didn't promise that.

(checks TFA)

Nope.

He said he wants to "[G]et our health care plan moving. We need a bill...by March or April to get going before the political season sets in."

Nothing about socialized medicine, just healthcare reform.

I wonder how much this "reform" is going to cost me.

Ryan2065: I know I don't want the people who voted Bush in twice deciding how to spend our money.

99% of the politicians in office base their votes on what 51% of their constituents want them to do.

Politicians aren't noble men who are doing what they believe to be right.

They're pandering to the majority of their constituents in order to be re-elected.

Our Republic is not, for any practical purposes, a Republic. It's a RINO.

Ryan2065: In 200 years who is going to be remembered? The last 10 richest people in the world or the last 10 presidents?

Some people want their page in the history books and you will have an easier time doing that in national politics than through the private sector.

That doesn't, in any way, suggest that smart people are going to run for office. It only suggests that people who want to be famous will run for office.

ScubaDude1960: I wonder how much this "reform" is going to cost me.

Eleven dollars and eighty eight cents.

SchlingFo: Smart people are going to work in the private sector where they can make 10 times the money with none of the public humiliation and attacks.

My brother is probably smarter than me. He works as a 3rd grade teacher. He makes about half what I do. Voluntarily.

While I don't deny that you're going to find that a lot of the highest-paid, highest-performing people are also the smartest, money is by no means the only motivating factor. Your statement is extremely simplistic and false.