Good intentions, but could we get some clarification on the admissions requirements before getting all damp in the drawers?

That's what the UN was supposed to be for. We spent a lot of time and effort setting it up, and now it won't rubber-stamp our baseless wars.

Why would any other collection of nations be any different?

Is this one of those Groucho Marx things where he'd only want to join a club that wouldn't have himself as a member?



Also:

This was funny-

"If there had been a dialogue on Iraq there would have been more rigorous containment of Saddam Hussein," possibly averting war, said Tod Lindberg, a Hoover Institution research fellow, at the seminar held at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Mr. Lindberg--surely you realize by now it wasn't containing Hussein that would have averted the war.

Nestea Plunge: McCain must have gotten the idea from his old school chum Woodrow Wilson.

Actually, since McCain was a senior when Woodrow was a freshman, and Woodrow had a dorky name, even by the period's standards, they really were less 'chums' than 'hazer' and 'hazee'.

yay another U.N. or is it NATO? or is it the G8?

no wait. we want an anti Muslim organization. one who will side with us and Israel on every issue. Some group to give validity to our imperialism.

So, what is this supposed to be? Like the UN, but only with nations that support "American interests" regardless of whether or not it's in the world's best interest?

Will it have Gleek?

Hobodeluxe: no wait. we want an anti Muslim organization. one who will side with us and Israel on every issue. Some group to give validity to our imperialism.



Well, ah, lemmessee--

You got yer Poland, yer Palau, yer Cost-A Ric-A. Then you gotcher Slovakia, yer Albania, yer Croatia. Don't forget your Uzbekistan, yer Azerbaijan and yer Mon-Golia...

Gulper Eel: Good intentions, but could we get some clarification on the admissions requirements before getting all damp in the drawers?

The Wonder Twins, sadly, are in. But Aquaman is out.

Just what the world needs! Another useless, corrupt international organization.

Manfred J. Hattan: The Wonder Twins, sadly, are in. But Aquaman is out.

yeah he smells like a can of tuna.

Manfred J. Hattan: The Wonder Twins, sadly, are in. But Aquaman is out.

The Wonder Twins will be represented by Trinidad and Tobago. Belgium will play the role of Aquaman.

Marcus Aurelius: That's what the UN was supposed to be for. We spent a lot of time and effort setting it up, and now it won't rubber-stamp our baseless wars.

Why would any other collection of nations be any different?

We set it up in an era when a whole pile of the world was still somebody's colony. Try to imagine how far off the ground the UN would've gotten if there were Mugabes and Saddams all over the place pulling their shiat back in the 40's.

The UN is still useful for having back-channel communications between adversaries, but we also need a douche-free zone in which to conduct diplomatic affairs.

Democracies, huh? So I guess Iran is in and Saudi Arabia is out.

"It could act where the U.N. fails to act," he said last month, and pressure tyrants "with or without Moscow's and Beijing's approval."

Translation: "I'm an old fart and I miss the Cold War. People just aren't as afraid of terrorists as they are of complete nuclear destruction. Those were good times."

Gulper Eel: Try to imagine how far off the ground the UN would've gotten if there were Mugabes and Saddams all over the place pulling their shiat back in the 40's.

I wonder how history would have turned out if there were maniacal dictators around in the forties.

So we're invoking anti-trust legislation on the UN?

You would think they could have found a more recent picture.

Looks like the idea is to make it easier to assemble a "Coalition of the Willing". Which leads one to wonder why the presence of such a league would make it any more likely that countries like France, Germany, etc. would support our military boondoggles.

That's fine, but doesn't NATO already serve this purpose? If he means to include Japan and Australia, why don't we just change the name of NATO to 'League of Democracies' and be done with it?

Edsel: Which leads one to wonder why the presence of such a league would make it any more likely that countries like France, Germany, etc. would support our military boondoggles.

I thought the idea was to exclude communistic caliphates like Germany and France.

"The League is very well when sparrows shout, but no good at all when eagles fall out."

Different League, different dictator, same difference

Yawn. Another election, another bout of UN bashing from conservatives.

"It could act where the U.N. fails to act," he said last month, and pressure tyrants "with or without Moscow's and Beijing's approval."

you know that works the other way too. how many times have we stepped in and used our vote to keep the U.N. from punishing Israel for their treatment of the Palestinian people?

Oh great. Another way to squander our blood and treasure on foreign soil, playing cop and nanny to an ungrateful and undeserving world. Brilliant, Johnny-boy, just brilliant.

Hobodeluxe: "It could act where the U.N. fails to act," he said last month, and pressure tyrants "with or without Moscow's and Beijing's approval."

you know that works the other way too. how many times have we stepped in and used our vote to keep the U.N. from punishing Israel for their treatment of the Palestinian people?

Well see, our votes are always right.

HotWingConspiracy: Hobodeluxe: "It could act where the U.N. fails to act," he said last month, and pressure tyrants "with or without Moscow's and Beijing's approval."

you know that works the other way too. how many times have we stepped in and used our vote to keep the U.N. from punishing Israel for their treatment of the Palestinian people?

Well see, our votes are always right.

Antisemite!

Skleenar: Edsel: Which leads one to wonder why the presence of such a league would make it any more likely that countries like France, Germany, etc. would support our military boondoggles.

I thought the idea was to exclude communistic caliphates like Germany and France.

shiat, so where are they going to get 100 nations for the League of Democracies? Maybe each state will count separately, but even then they'll have to exclude the ones with socialist tendencies like MA or VT.

Skleenar: Nestea Plunge: McCain must have gotten the idea from his old school chum Woodrow Wilson.

Actually, since McCain was a senior when Woodrow was a freshman, and Woodrow had a dorky name, even by the period's standards, they really were less 'chums' than 'hazer' and 'hazee'.

Since I thought of the Naval Academy, I just picture Wilson in his most bookish form climbing the greased up obelisk while McCain throws beer bottles at the crowd of plebes.

/Not a military guy

Gulper Eel: Marcus Aurelius: That's what the UN was supposed to be for. We spent a lot of time and effort setting it up, and now it won't rubber-stamp our baseless wars.

Why would any other collection of nations be any different?

We set it up in an era when a whole pile of the world was still somebody's colony. Try to imagine how far off the ground the UN would've gotten if there were Mugabes and Saddams all over the place pulling their shiat back in the 40's.

The UN is still useful for having back-channel communications between adversaries, but we also need a douche-free zone in which to conduct diplomatic affairs.

That's what NATO is for, to a certain extent. It doesn't include some of our allies, but it is pretty good for keeping ties to Europe even when our idiot leadership does its best to sever them.

I really don't think a League of Democracies would go over well. Figure it'd include west Europe, USA, and Japan, along with Canada, and the Aussies and Kiwis. So nearly every major imperial power for the last two centuries enters an alliance that specifically excludes their historical adversaries and former colonies.

China would LOVE that.

Yeah, we're all interested in US leadership. Face it, you spent your nickel. Now everyone is making contingencies around your loss of power.

China runs over their own college students in tanks and then condemns other countries for their human rights abuses. The UN was in Saddam's pocket. Notice France's stance on Iran compared to Iraq? The heads of Iran aren't giving Chirac (nor the UN Secretary's son) a crap load of money.

They have/are doing nothing during 2 or 3 genocides just in my lifetime. They do manage to pass hundreds of anti-Jew declarations a year and drain the US of millions, so that is good.

Jubeebee: China would LOVE that.



BT, DT.

Hobodeluxe: "It could act where the U.N. fails to act," he said last month, and pressure tyrants "with or without Moscow's and Beijing's approval."

you know that works the other way too. how many times have we stepped in and used our vote to keep the U.N. from punishing Israel for their treatment of the Palestinian people?

Seeing as most of the states proposing the condemnations are, unlike Israel, NOT free and fairly democratically elected, we'd finally be past that stupid shiat.

It's kinda ironic that despots and totalitarians clamor for democratic representation via the U.N.

Maybe assholes like Mugabe, Castro the lesser, Kim Jung-Il, etc., could form their own group. Problem is, each one'd try to exterminate any other member who opposed their proposals, and none of them would have any jack to implement their plans.

OttoDog: Seeing as most of the states proposing the condemnations are, unlike Israel, NOT free and fairly democratically elected, we'd finally be past that stupid shiat.

How many Palestinians voted? Oh yeah, a lot of them. What happened to the elected leaders? Ah, yes, they were exiled and killed by Israel, delegitimized by the US, and a blockade was placed around the Palestinian areas causing untold misery and suffering. Free and fair my ass.

OttoDog: It's kinda ironic that despots and totalitarians clamor for democratic representation via the U.N.

It's kinda ironic that you'd think that spreading democracy at the point of a gun would be an American ideal. How are we different then the communists who want to spread communism at the point of a gun?
Or any cause for that matter? If your cause can't win people over by it's own merits then maybe you need to rethink exactly what you're spreading. because democracy under the threat of a gun is tyranny.

Use the UN for fark's sake.

It might be imperfect, but the national interests that cause problems in the UN would still play a role in the League of Democracies.

Also I would not the irony of using the League of Democracies to subvert the democracy of the UN.

The UN.

Democracy means that people with different views from yours still receive a vote. This 'League of Democracies' is unique in that it excludes nations from the democratic process, making the choice of the name, I hesitate to say, ironic.

Shaggy_C: OttoDog: Seeing as most of the states proposing the condemnations are, unlike Israel, NOT free and fairly democratically elected, we'd finally be past that stupid shiat.

How many Palestinians voted? Oh yeah, a lot of them. What happened to the elected leaders? Ah, yes, they were exiled and killed by Israel, delegitimized by the US, and a blockade was placed around the Palestinian areas causing untold misery and suffering. Free and fair my ass.

Um, no. In Gaza, at least, Hamas invaded every Fatah officeholders' home, either beat or shot them, and executed a coup aginst the elected president of the PA.

Don't try for a minute to play as though the governments of countries like Sudan, Lybia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. (the primary sponsors of anti-Israel resolutions) are somehow freely and fairly elected.

Yes, your ass. Stop reaching there for "facts".

OttoDog: Um, no. In Gaza, at least, Hamas invaded every Fatah officeholders' home, either beat or shot them, and executed a coup aginst the elected president of the PA.

Which happened after the elections, and Fatah wasn't some kind of innocent bystander in the clashes. They just weren't so keen on giving up the power they had been holding for so long. Check your facts.

tiiger: The UN.

Democracy means that people with different views from yours still receive a vote. This 'League of Democracies' is unique in that it excludes nations from the democratic process, making the choice of the name, I hesitate to say, ironic.

Unless the nation's government was freely and fairly chosen by the governed, the nation isn't being excluded. Just the dickheads who control it.

CheetahOlivetti: Will it have Gleek?

I am joining the League that does not have Gleek. If that League has to be the Super Villains, then so be it.

Farking Gleek.

OttoDog: Shaggy_C: OttoDog: Seeing as most of the states proposing the condemnations are, unlike Israel, NOT free and fairly democratically elected, we'd finally be past that stupid shiat.

How many Palestinians voted? Oh yeah, a lot of them. What happened to the elected leaders? Ah, yes, they were exiled and killed by Israel, delegitimized by the US, and a blockade was placed around the Palestinian areas causing untold misery and suffering. Free and fair my ass.

Um, no. In Gaza, at least, Hamas invaded every Fatah officeholders' home, either beat or shot them, and executed a coup aginst the elected president of the PA.

Don't try for a minute to play as though the governments of countries like Sudan, Lybia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. (the primary sponsors of anti-Israel resolutions) are somehow freely and fairly elected.

Yes, your ass. Stop reaching there for "facts".

I have an idea. Why don't you BOTH stfu. This isn't another stupid jewrab thread. It's about a proposal one of our presidential hopefuls has made. If you don't think it's worth discussing, go find a thread you DO regard as worthwhile.

jso2897: I have an idea. Why don't you BOTH stfu. This isn't another stupid jewrab thread. It's about a proposal one of our presidential hopefuls has made. If you don't think it's worth discussing, go find a thread you DO regard as worthwhile.

subby: especially if everyone gets to wear supercool costumes and work in the Hall of Justice

obama is SO THERE




mccain is ready too, but i don't think he worked very hard on his costume

quickdraw: slicknovel.com

i can't even begin to imagine why that never occured to me before...

Hobodeluxe: yay another U.N. or is it NATO? or is it the G8?

no wait. we want an anti Muslim organization. one who will side with us and Israel on every issue. Some group to give validity to our imperialism.

didn't we already try this, more or less? coalition of the willing? it kinda sucked then, it will suck even more now.

unless we can get stankonia willing to drop bombs over baghdad

Shaggy_C: jso2897: I have an idea. Why don't you BOTH stfu. This isn't another stupid jewrab thread. It's about a proposal one of our presidential hopefuls has made. If you don't think it's worth discussing, go find a thread you DO regard as worthwhile.

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Thanks, Shag. Couldn't've said it better.

shivashakti: So, what is this supposed to be? Like the UN, but only with nations that support "American interests" regardless of whether or not it's in the world's best interest without the legions of crapulent third-world tyrannies that collude to make sure that the aid money keeps flowing and the only resolutions that ever pass all condemn Israel for having the nerve to exist.

FTFY.

tiiger: Democracy means that people with different views from yours still receive a vote. This 'League of Democracies' is unique in that it excludes nations from the democratic process, making the choice of the name, I hesitate to say, ironic.

Congratulations for making the nonsense post of the day. Here's the basic idea, just for you: only those nations with leaders who are accountable to their people through periodic, free, fair, and multiparty elections get to be members. (There are other criteria, but that's the big one). Sort of the same way that non-citizens and prison inmates are "excluded" from the democratic process in just about every nation on the planet - their "exclusion" is a matter of their own choices.

/Freedom House's map of which nations are "Free" vs. "Not Free" - green would definitely be members, yellow might be, purple would not.