That's peculiar. I'm not sure how subby and Yahoo managed to pull that little soundbite out of a polling data presented under the headline Increasing Optimism About Iraq.

I am sure that a rational, civilized discussion will follow a nice, unbiased headline like that.

The troops are already on their way out; they're simply collecting all the liberation flowers they were given.

Mighty thin soup, there, TFA.

Obviously every citizen needs to go to Iraq in order to understand. Those uninformed, sheltered civilians just don't get it, where as the elite in the military obviously do.

McCain: military snobbery in '08.

Did Subby Read article or the charts?

Gulper Eel: That's peculiar. I'm not sure how subby and Yahoo managed to pull that little soundbite out of a polling data presented under the headline Increasing Optimism About Iraq.

Because FARK has taught us that every article's content can be judged by the headline.

/DRTFA
//I'm personally optimistic about Iraq and support a withdrawl

Nods in understanding of not withdrawing troops until at least 2013?

/subby got PEW'd

LocalCynic: Obviously every citizen needs to go to Iraq in order to understand. Those uninformed, sheltered civilians just don't get it, where as the elite in the military obviously do.

McCain: military snobbery in '08.

So after 8 years of "chickenhawk" we switch to "military snobbery". I really need to read the newsletter

Lets leave. The brown people can kill each other off. That way we won't feel too guilty about it because it won't be our guys doing it. Point is there will still be dead brown people.

Gulper Eel: That's peculiar. I'm not sure how subby and Yahoo managed to pull that little soundbite out of a polling data presented under the headline Increasing Optimism About Iraq.

FTA:Significantly fewer Americans now say things are going well in Iraq than did so in February,

The graphs you link to are from February 07 to February 08. The article is about the change from February 08 to May 08. Try to read the article before bashing it next time.

/yeah, I know the article links to the Feb stats and not the May stats.

Hang On Voltaire: LocalCynic: Obviously every citizen needs to go to Iraq in order to understand. Those uninformed, sheltered civilians just don't get it, where as the elite in the military obviously do.

McCain: military snobbery in '08.

So after 8 years of "chickenhawk" we switch to "military snobbery". I really need to read the newsletter

Be honest, you can't call McCain a chickenhawk.

Hang On Voltaire: So after 8 years of "chickenhawk" we switch to "military snobbery". I really need to read the newsletter

Unlike McCain, the career military people I know don't go around acting as though they're morally superior to people who left after one term, or people who have never served.

John McCain served honorably, but I wonder if the millions of Americans who choose to take a career outside the military will want to vote for a snob who thinks that "citizenship means service" and that anyone who doesn't serve, can't have an opinion about war and peace.

Gulper Eel: That's peculiar. I'm not sure how subby and Yahoo managed to pull that little soundbite out of a polling data presented under the headline Increasing Optimism About Iraq.

Exactly. People are optimistic that the war will be over soon.

globalwarmingpraiser:

Be honest, you can't call McCain a chickenhawk.

Of course you can't. For 8 years we have heard that Bush has no right to support military action in Iraq (somehow this never applied to Afghanistan or to Clinton in Bosnia etc) because he never served in combat and his daughters didn't either. Now the GOP candidate is a combat veteran who's son served in Iraq so there has to be some other reason that McCain cannot support military action in Iraq and I am guessing that "military snobbery" is a trial balloon put up for the fark Moonbats to see if they like it. They will kick the tires and if they agree it will become a liberal fark talking point

Hang On Voltaire: So after 8 years of "chickenhawk" we switch to "military snobbery". I really need to read the newsletter

I like that "military snobbery" term. Just because you were in the military doesn't make you a military genius. Much less a better Presidential candidate. Served with enough dumbasses to know better.



/I just love this guy.

LocalCynic:

Unlike McCain, the career military people I know don't go around acting as though they're morally superior to people who left after one term, or people who have never served.

John McCain served honorably, but I wonder if the millions of Americans who choose to take a career outside the military will want to vote for a snob who thinks that "citizenship means service" and that anyone who doesn't serve, can't have an opinion about war and peace.

You guys are the ones who have been screaming "chickenhawk" for 8 years. Apparently NOW it no longer matters if you served or not

Hang On Voltaire: globalwarmingpraiser:

Be honest, you can't call McCain a chickenhawk.

Of course you can't. For 8 years we have heard that Bush has no right to support military action in Iraq (somehow this never applied to Afghanistan or to Clinton in Bosnia etc) because he never served in combat and his daughters didn't either. Now the GOP candidate is a combat veteran who's son served in Iraq so there has to be some other reason that McCain cannot support military action in Iraq and I am guessing that "military snobbery" is a trial balloon put up for the fark Moonbats to see if they like it. They will kick the tires and if they agree it will become a liberal fark talking point

Wow, are there some kind of secret meetings for "fark Moonbats"? How come I never get invited?

AirForceVet:

I like that "military snobbery" term. Just because you were in the military doesn't make you a military genius. Much less a better Presidential candidate. Served with enough dumbasses to know better.



/I just love this guy.


and LocalCynic has his first customer

Edsel:

Wow, are there some kind of secret meetings for "fark Moonbats"? How come I never get invited?

I still want to know where I pick up my talking points from Rush Limbaugh.

LocalCynic:
Unlike McCain, the career military people I know don't go around acting as though they're morally superior to people who left after one term, or people who have never served.

Don't you think a President should be held to a higher standard? Especially if said President will go into office with two wars in process?

Norad: I am sure that a rational, civilized discussion will follow a nice, unbiased headline like that.

Oh, I don't know...

So by Republican standards 56% of Americans are Anti-American, terrorist loving, flag burning traitors.

/flag pin

Hang On Voltaire: You guys are the ones who have been screaming "chickenhawk" for 8 years. Apparently NOW it no longer matters if you served or not

I have no idea who "you guys" are.

What I do know, is that there are millions of Americans out there who join the reserves, the national guard, the Coast Guard, or who may simply not engage in military service. Telling people that their opinions simply don't matter because they don't choose a lifelong military career isn't the best way to win votes.

John McCain might be tempted to play up his military service, but he should remember that Americans want a President who they can have a beer with. A guy who keeps belittling you probably doesn't pass that test.

So?

Titles aside, McCain is out of touch and supports the war for one reason -- money.

Of course, there ain't enough in the national coffers for what johnboy wants to do.

/Not enough for Obama's plans either.
//Ron Paul!!!

AirForceVet: Just because you were in the military held prisoner in a war that the USA lost doesn't make you a military genius. Much less a better Presidential candidate.

Hang On Voltaire: You guys are the ones who have been screaming "chickenhawk" for 8 years. Apparently NOW it no longer matters if you served or not

Meh, we use the term "chicken hawk" for those who never served and/or avoided military service, then want to use the military for dumbass reasons, like invading Iraq.

You never heard me call Bush II a "chicken hawk" for invading Afghanistan. That was the right call after 9/11 and Afghanistan harbored Usama. That all changed with the Iraq invasion.

Hang On Voltaire
You guys are the ones who have been screaming "chickenhawk" for 8 years. Apparently NOW it no longer matters if you served or not

It's all in the attitude. McCains response to Obama when pressed to explain his opposition to the GI Bill was basically, "I don't have to explain myself to someone who hasn't served"

Ok, then how about explaining your position to Jim Webb or the other 75 senators who voted for it?

And if your reason is the bill is too generous and will hurt retention. Well if that is true, wouldn't it also help recruitment?

Oh excuse me, I'm not allowed to ask you questions John, I haven't served.

Hang On Voltaire: Now the GOP candidate is a combat veteran who's son served in Iraq so there has to be some other reason that McCain cannot support military action in Iraq

Because it is still a dumb idea?

From Reuters, May 28th : Iraq's main Sunni bloc suspends government talks (new window)

How much of this happy horseshiat should Americans who hate this war reasonably tolerate?

Troops keep dying and/or getting deformed by IEDs, VBIEDs, and EFP's, we're spending $4,500 a second of our taxes and the two major political sects still want to take their ball and go home rather than reach some political stabilization.

Troops out, food and medical supplies in.

Enough already.

MataHari: Don't you think a President should be held to a higher standard? Especially if said President will go into office with two wars in process?

Of course we should hold the President to a high standard. But if the position were merely about military knowledge, then we should simply tap the highest ranking general to be President. Of course, we don't do that because having a division between civil and military affairs ensures stability in government.

OneBrightMonkey Troops out, food and medical supplies and IRAN in.

you left out one little thing.

Hang On Voltaire: I still want to know where I pick up my talking points from Rush Limbaugh.



This man would like a word with you.

Careful, he's not American.

LocalCynic: Obviously every citizen needs to go to Iraq in order to understand. Those uninformed, sheltered civilians just don't get it, where as the elite in the military obviously do.

Service Guarantees Citizenship

Something tells me the Kurds support McCain.

Hang On Voltaire: and LocalCynic has his first customer

It is pretty silly that you can't tell the difference between an attack on McCain and an attack on a stupid anti-Obama talking point.

the economy,high gas prices and tension in the middle east are all tied together. sure the housing bubble is bad but the cost of oil is driving the rise of inflation. and it's speculation on the futures trading that is driving that.

once the imperialists are out of power this will all ease up.

danlpoon: Something tells me the Kurds support McCain.

No whey!

/had to.

Hang On Voltaire

As I recall it was the GOP that was slamming someone with quite the military record. Something about purple heart band-aids on a fat biatches face.

Now that the tables are turned you are trying to blame us all along? 4 years ago military service would not help us end the war gracefully and now that its a GOP guy with service it will.

hypocrisy, the GOP has it.

danlpoon: Something tells me the Kurds support McCain.

Then presumably the Turks do not support McCain. But I guess it's a good thing that we invade Iraq. We don't really need that air base in Turkey anyway.

Who really cares about Kurds? It's not like they have delicious ethnic food. What's Kurd cuisine? BBQ'd sand?

No whey!

Iraq is a House of Kurds.

Hang On Voltaire: Edsel:

Wow, are there some kind of secret meetings for "fark Moonbats"? How come I never get invited?

I still want to know where I pick up my talking points from Rush Limbaugh.


I would assume that you'd just listen to them on the radio. Does he offer some kind of delivery service too?

Then presumably the Turks do not support McCain.

I'm only interested in Young Turks because I'm Rod Stewart.

danlpoon: I'm only interested in Young Turks because I'm Rod Stewart.

Your hot legs are wearing me out.

MFL: OneBrightMonkey Troops out, food and medical supplies and IRAN in.

you left out one little thing.

You're mixing up your talking points. I thought Iran already was in, running clandestine military operations and killing our troops with EFPs?

One of the major functions that violent militias play in Iraq (as did Saddam during his reign) was to dispense food to the hungry. Starving and desperate people tend to throw their support behind anyone that can alleviate their hunger.

This country should work with the international community (and quietly with Iran) to begin providing humanitarian assistance.

Al-Malaki has already welcomed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with open arms in a prior visit, and he is supposed to be our guy in Baghdad.

Enough Iranian boogeyman nonsense. Help the poor and sick as much as possible with the help from our international allies. Killing people hasn't been working for half a decade now.

danlpoon: Then presumably the Turks do not support McCain.

I'm only interested in Young Turks because I'm Rod Stewart.

Then you really should be getting back to school.

FTFA

For instance, a plurality (48%) now says the United States is losing ground in reducing the number of civilian casualties while 37% say the United States is making progress toward this objective.

Pushing statistics around is all well & good. However, we've been mucking around in Iraq for what, five years now? If the Iraqi forces haven't gotten there act together by now, they never will.

Your hot legs are wearing me out.

Speaking of jihad- Cat Stevens! You know that sumbiatch would genocide some Kurds given half the chance! Don't let that "MoonShadow" gimmick fool you. Cat Stevens is al Queda's #2 man.