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(Yahoo) Obvious Support for a quick withdrawal of U.S. forces in Iraq climbs seven points in just one month, as overall suport for the war falls to record low numbers. President-elect Obama nods in understanding   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 204
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Gulper Eel [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 08:46:02 AM  
That's peculiar. I'm not sure how subby and Yahoo managed to pull that little soundbite out of a polling data presented under the headline Increasing Optimism About Iraq.

 
Norad [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 08:46:19 AM  
I am sure that a rational, civilized discussion will follow a nice, unbiased headline like that.

 
Stupid Floppy Clownshoes 2008-05-30 09:28:37 AM  
The troops are already on their way out; they're simply collecting all the liberation flowers they were given.

 
Curious Hussein 2008-05-30 09:28:53 AM  
Mighty thin soup, there, TFA.

 
LocalCynic 2008-05-30 09:29:08 AM  
Obviously every citizen needs to go to Iraq in order to understand. Those uninformed, sheltered civilians just don't get it, where as the elite in the military obviously do.

McCain: military snobbery in '08.

 
globalwarmingpraiser [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:30:03 AM  
Did Subby Read article or the charts?

 
TMBGfreak 2008-05-30 09:31:34 AM  
Gulper Eel: That's peculiar. I'm not sure how subby and Yahoo managed to pull that little soundbite out of a polling data presented under the headline Increasing Optimism About Iraq.

Because FARK has taught us that every article's content can be judged by the headline.

/DRTFA
//I'm personally optimistic about Iraq and support a withdrawl

 
Smellvin 2008-05-30 09:34:05 AM  
Nods in understanding of not withdrawing troops until at least 2013?

 
Massa Damnata 2008-05-30 09:34:13 AM  
people-press.org

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/subby got PEW'd

 
Hang On Voltaire [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:35:15 AM  
LocalCynic: Obviously every citizen needs to go to Iraq in order to understand. Those uninformed, sheltered civilians just don't get it, where as the elite in the military obviously do.

McCain: military snobbery in '08.


So after 8 years of "chickenhawk" we switch to "military snobbery". I really need to read the newsletter

 
Trollomite 2008-05-30 09:35:52 AM  
Lets leave. The brown people can kill each other off. That way we won't feel too guilty about it because it won't be our guys doing it. Point is there will still be dead brown people.

 
Gunther 2008-05-30 09:36:45 AM  
Gulper Eel: That's peculiar. I'm not sure how subby and Yahoo managed to pull that little soundbite out of a polling data presented under the headline Increasing Optimism About Iraq.

FTA:Significantly fewer Americans now say things are going well in Iraq than did so in February,

The graphs you link to are from February 07 to February 08. The article is about the change from February 08 to May 08. Try to read the article before bashing it next time.

/yeah, I know the article links to the Feb stats and not the May stats.

 
globalwarmingpraiser [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:36:45 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: LocalCynic: Obviously every citizen needs to go to Iraq in order to understand. Those uninformed, sheltered civilians just don't get it, where as the elite in the military obviously do.

McCain: military snobbery in '08.

So after 8 years of "chickenhawk" we switch to "military snobbery". I really need to read the newsletter


Be honest, you can't call McCain a chickenhawk.

 
LocalCynic 2008-05-30 09:40:11 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: So after 8 years of "chickenhawk" we switch to "military snobbery". I really need to read the newsletter

Unlike McCain, the career military people I know don't go around acting as though they're morally superior to people who left after one term, or people who have never served.

John McCain served honorably, but I wonder if the millions of Americans who choose to take a career outside the military will want to vote for a snob who thinks that "citizenship means service" and that anyone who doesn't serve, can't have an opinion about war and peace.

 
hillbillypharmacist [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:41:02 AM  
Gulper Eel: That's peculiar. I'm not sure how subby and Yahoo managed to pull that little soundbite out of a polling data presented under the headline Increasing Optimism About Iraq.

Exactly. People are optimistic that the war will be over soon.

 
Hang On Voltaire [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:42:42 AM  
globalwarmingpraiser:

Be honest, you can't call McCain a chickenhawk.


Of course you can't. For 8 years we have heard that Bush has no right to support military action in Iraq (somehow this never applied to Afghanistan or to Clinton in Bosnia etc) because he never served in combat and his daughters didn't either. Now the GOP candidate is a combat veteran who's son served in Iraq so there has to be some other reason that McCain cannot support military action in Iraq and I am guessing that "military snobbery" is a trial balloon put up for the fark Moonbats to see if they like it. They will kick the tires and if they agree it will become a liberal fark talking point

 
AirForceVet [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:43:46 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: So after 8 years of "chickenhawk" we switch to "military snobbery". I really need to read the newsletter

I like that "military snobbery" term. Just because you were in the military doesn't make you a military genius. Much less a better Presidential candidate. Served with enough dumbasses to know better.

www.barackobama.com

/I just love this guy.

 
Hang On Voltaire [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:44:08 AM  
LocalCynic:

Unlike McCain, the career military people I know don't go around acting as though they're morally superior to people who left after one term, or people who have never served.

John McCain served honorably, but I wonder if the millions of Americans who choose to take a career outside the military will want to vote for a snob who thinks that "citizenship means service" and that anyone who doesn't serve, can't have an opinion about war and peace.


You guys are the ones who have been screaming "chickenhawk" for 8 years. Apparently NOW it no longer matters if you served or not

 
Edsel 2008-05-30 09:44:33 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: globalwarmingpraiser:

Be honest, you can't call McCain a chickenhawk.

Of course you can't. For 8 years we have heard that Bush has no right to support military action in Iraq (somehow this never applied to Afghanistan or to Clinton in Bosnia etc) because he never served in combat and his daughters didn't either. Now the GOP candidate is a combat veteran who's son served in Iraq so there has to be some other reason that McCain cannot support military action in Iraq and I am guessing that "military snobbery" is a trial balloon put up for the fark Moonbats to see if they like it. They will kick the tires and if they agree it will become a liberal fark talking point


Wow, are there some kind of secret meetings for "fark Moonbats"? How come I never get invited?

 
Hang On Voltaire [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:45:36 AM  
AirForceVet:

I like that "military snobbery" term. Just because you were in the military doesn't make you a military genius. Much less a better Presidential candidate. Served with enough dumbasses to know better.



/I just love this guy.



and LocalCynic has his first customer

 
Hang On Voltaire [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:46:13 AM  
Edsel:

Wow, are there some kind of secret meetings for "fark Moonbats"? How come I never get invited?


I still want to know where I pick up my talking points from Rush Limbaugh.

 
MataHari 2008-05-30 09:46:23 AM  
LocalCynic:
Unlike McCain, the career military people I know don't go around acting as though they're morally superior to people who left after one term, or people who have never served.


Don't you think a President should be held to a higher standard? Especially if said President will go into office with two wars in process?

 
Jackpot777 [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:46:29 AM  
Norad: I am sure that a rational, civilized discussion will follow a nice, unbiased headline like that.

Oh, I don't know...

i24.photobucket.com

 
obzerver 2008-05-30 09:47:18 AM  
So by Republican standards 56% of Americans are Anti-American, terrorist loving, flag burning traitors.

/flag pin

 
LocalCynic 2008-05-30 09:48:29 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: You guys are the ones who have been screaming "chickenhawk" for 8 years. Apparently NOW it no longer matters if you served or not

I have no idea who "you guys" are.

What I do know, is that there are millions of Americans out there who join the reserves, the national guard, the Coast Guard, or who may simply not engage in military service. Telling people that their opinions simply don't matter because they don't choose a lifelong military career isn't the best way to win votes.

John McCain might be tempted to play up his military service, but he should remember that Americans want a President who they can have a beer with. A guy who keeps belittling you probably doesn't pass that test.

 
Iwouldhitit [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:48:57 AM  
So?

i154.photobucket.com

 
Blaxabbath 2008-05-30 09:49:28 AM  
Titles aside, McCain is out of touch and supports the war for one reason -- money.

Of course, there ain't enough in the national coffers for what johnboy wants to do.

/Not enough for Obama's plans either.
//Ron Paul!!!

 
Tabatha Static 2008-05-30 09:50:43 AM  
AirForceVet: Just because you were in the military held prisoner in a war that the USA lost doesn't make you a military genius. Much less a better Presidential candidate.

 
AirForceVet [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:51:29 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: You guys are the ones who have been screaming "chickenhawk" for 8 years. Apparently NOW it no longer matters if you served or not

Meh, we use the term "chicken hawk" for those who never served and/or avoided military service, then want to use the military for dumbass reasons, like invading Iraq.

You never heard me call Bush II a "chicken hawk" for invading Afghanistan. That was the right call after 9/11 and Afghanistan harbored Usama. That all changed with the Iraq invasion.

 
dogfood 2008-05-30 09:51:48 AM  
Hang On Voltaire
You guys are the ones who have been screaming "chickenhawk" for 8 years. Apparently NOW it no longer matters if you served or not

It's all in the attitude. McCains response to Obama when pressed to explain his opposition to the GI Bill was basically, "I don't have to explain myself to someone who hasn't served"

Ok, then how about explaining your position to Jim Webb or the other 75 senators who voted for it?

And if your reason is the bill is too generous and will hurt retention. Well if that is true, wouldn't it also help recruitment?

Oh excuse me, I'm not allowed to ask you questions John, I haven't served.

 
Skleenar 2008-05-30 09:52:22 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: Now the GOP candidate is a combat veteran who's son served in Iraq so there has to be some other reason that McCain cannot support military action in Iraq

Because it is still a dumb idea?

 
OneBrightMonkey 2008-05-30 09:52:32 AM  
From Reuters, May 28th : Iraq's main Sunni bloc suspends government talks (new window)

How much of this happy horseshiat should Americans who hate this war reasonably tolerate?

Troops keep dying and/or getting deformed by IEDs, VBIEDs, and EFP's, we're spending $4,500 a second of our taxes and the two major political sects still want to take their ball and go home rather than reach some political stabilization.

Troops out, food and medical supplies in.

Enough already.

 
LocalCynic 2008-05-30 09:55:19 AM  
MataHari: Don't you think a President should be held to a higher standard? Especially if said President will go into office with two wars in process?

Of course we should hold the President to a high standard. But if the position were merely about military knowledge, then we should simply tap the highest ranking general to be President. Of course, we don't do that because having a division between civil and military affairs ensures stability in government.

 
MFL 2008-05-30 09:55:39 AM  
OneBrightMonkey Troops out, food and medical supplies and IRAN in.

you left out one little thing.

 
Skleenar 2008-05-30 09:55:48 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: I still want to know where I pick up my talking points from Rush Limbaugh.

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This man would like a word with you.

Careful, he's not American.

 
chick_magnate [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:56:34 AM  
LocalCynic: Obviously every citizen needs to go to Iraq in order to understand. Those uninformed, sheltered civilians just don't get it, where as the elite in the military obviously do.

Service Guarantees Citizenship

www.stardestroyer.net

 
danlpoon 2008-05-30 09:56:51 AM  
Something tells me the Kurds support McCain.

 
Skleenar 2008-05-30 09:58:23 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: and LocalCynic has his first customer

It is pretty silly that you can't tell the difference between an attack on McCain and an attack on a stupid anti-Obama talking point.

 
Hobodeluxe [TotalFark] 2008-05-30 09:58:45 AM  
the economy,high gas prices and tension in the middle east are all tied together. sure the housing bubble is bad but the cost of oil is driving the rise of inflation. and it's speculation on the futures trading that is driving that.

once the imperialists are out of power this will all ease up.

 
Skleenar 2008-05-30 09:59:06 AM  
danlpoon: Something tells me the Kurds support McCain.

No whey!

/had to.

 
Mighty Taternuts 2008-05-30 10:00:10 AM  
Hang On Voltaire

As I recall it was the GOP that was slamming someone with quite the military record. Something about purple heart band-aids on a fat biatches face.

Now that the tables are turned you are trying to blame us all along? 4 years ago military service would not help us end the war gracefully and now that its a GOP guy with service it will.

hypocrisy, the GOP has it.

 
LocalCynic 2008-05-30 10:00:49 AM  
danlpoon: Something tells me the Kurds support McCain.

Then presumably the Turks do not support McCain. But I guess it's a good thing that we invade Iraq. We don't really need that air base in Turkey anyway.

 
danlpoon 2008-05-30 10:01:22 AM  
Who really cares about Kurds? It's not like they have delicious ethnic food. What's Kurd cuisine? BBQ'd sand?

No whey!

Iraq is a House of Kurds.

 
Edsel 2008-05-30 10:01:54 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: Edsel:

Wow, are there some kind of secret meetings for "fark Moonbats"? How come I never get invited?

I still want to know where I pick up my talking points from Rush Limbaugh.



I would assume that you'd just listen to them on the radio. Does he offer some kind of delivery service too?

 
danlpoon 2008-05-30 10:02:25 AM  
Then presumably the Turks do not support McCain.

I'm only interested in Young Turks because I'm Rod Stewart.

 
LocalCynic 2008-05-30 10:03:09 AM  
danlpoon: I'm only interested in Young Turks because I'm Rod Stewart.

Your hot legs are wearing me out.

 
OneBrightMonkey 2008-05-30 10:04:48 AM  
MFL: OneBrightMonkey Troops out, food and medical supplies and IRAN in.

you left out one little thing.


You're mixing up your talking points. I thought Iran already was in, running clandestine military operations and killing our troops with EFPs?

One of the major functions that violent militias play in Iraq (as did Saddam during his reign) was to dispense food to the hungry. Starving and desperate people tend to throw their support behind anyone that can alleviate their hunger.

This country should work with the international community (and quietly with Iran) to begin providing humanitarian assistance.

Al-Malaki has already welcomed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with open arms in a prior visit, and he is supposed to be our guy in Baghdad.

Enough Iranian boogeyman nonsense. Help the poor and sick as much as possible with the help from our international allies. Killing people hasn't been working for half a decade now.

 
Karma Curmudgeon 2008-05-30 10:05:19 AM  
danlpoon: Then presumably the Turks do not support McCain.

I'm only interested in Young Turks because I'm Rod Stewart.


Then you really should be getting back to school.

 
Pillager 2008-05-30 10:05:23 AM  
FTFA

For instance, a plurality (48%) now says the United States is losing ground in reducing the number of civilian casualties while 37% say the United States is making progress toward this objective.

Pushing statistics around is all well & good. However, we've been mucking around in Iraq for what, five years now? If the Iraqi forces haven't gotten there act together by now, they never will.

 
danlpoon 2008-05-30 10:06:14 AM  
Your hot legs are wearing me out.

Speaking of jihad- Cat Stevens! You know that sumbiatch would genocide some Kurds given half the chance! Don't let that "MoonShadow" gimmick fool you. Cat Stevens is al Queda's #2 man.

 
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