Isn't the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" the Inquisition?

I never thought I'd have anything complimentary to say about Southern Baptists but, backwards as they may be, at least they have women pastors.

I lost faith in the Catholic Church after they declared saint Guinefort a heretic.

I never could wrap my mind around the "Cross of Guilt".

erewhon: "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith"

Yes, it is: "The CDF is the modern name for what used to be the Holy Office of the Inquisition." (source: Wiki ^pops)

Wonderful lot, this bunch.
And people wonder why the Catholic Church isn't so popular these days. Protecting gay child-molesting priests while at the same time condemning homosexuality, excommunicating not only female priests, but anyone who "dares" to ordain them, where does it stop? Get with the program, Vatican.

So? Don't be Catholic.

Reggaenomics: Yes, it is: "The CDF is the modern name for what used to be the Holy Office of the Inquisition." (source: Wiki pops)

Wonderful lot, this bunch.
And people wonder why the Catholic Church isn't so popular these days. Protecting gay child-molesting priests while at the same time condemning homosexuality, excommunicating not only female priests, but anyone who "dares" to ordain them, where does it stop? Get with the program, Vatican.

Megiddo.

BobtheFascist: So? Don't be Catholic.

There's always a work-around.

Reggaenomics: erewhon: "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith"

Yes, it is: "The CDF is the modern name for what used to be the Holy Office of the Inquisition." (source: Wiki pops)

When I worked for the DOE, we called the security guys that.

/congratulations, the CDF has chosen YOU for today's surprise polygraph

sugarpop: I never thought I'd have anything complimentary to say about Southern Baptists but, backwards as they may be, at least they have women pastors.

Some SBC-affiliated churches have women pastors, and the seminaries will graduate and ordain women, but the SBC itself is still pretty hostile to female head pastors. Sure you're not thinking of the CBF?

FTFA: "Proponents of women's ordination said [by exclusively choosing male apostles] Christ was only acting according to the social norms of his time."

Riiiiight. He always acted according to social norms. Hanging with lepers, speaking up for women of ill repute, eating with tax collectors. He was a real status quo fellow.

sugarpop: I never thought I'd have anything complimentary to say about Southern Baptists but, backwards as they may be, at least they have women pastors.

Um, where?? I agree w/sugarpop, the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship is who you might be thinking of. The Catholic Church is a bit more fun-loving and tolerant compared to the powers-that-be in the SBC.

BTW, the women who started this whole thing were in St. Louis, and the archbishop there - and a few others - bent themselves over backwards trying to explain things and come to a decent conclusion before they had to whip out The Law. I can tell you Al Mohler & co. would not be as patient or accommodating.

Unright: There's always a work-around.

There's also the "get three Bishops together and appoint a rival Pope" approach. That was always fun back in the middle ages, and the Catholic Church is about due for another massive schism.

It's amazing to me that countless millions of people still believe in this bullshiat.

The Catholic church is so crazy that they even tell Africans that the use of condoms is a sin, because the church disagrees with any sort of birth control. Meanwhile, Africa has the largest proliferation of HIV and other STDs on the planet. Everybody there should be using a condom, but the religious zealots tell them not to. It's simply insane.

BobtheFascist: So? Don't be Catholic.

Works for me.

/perfect headline, subby. +1

Marley: perfect headline, subby

Well, except that excommunication is not banishment to hell. Or even permanent.

The Catholic Church has to be the most imbalanced organization on the planet. They are causing problems in the developing world, they hide sex abusers, and their theology is backwards, but they do the most charity work and are filled with intellectuals and aren't as hostile to science as other denominations.

I hope they elect a Jesuit Pope in my lifetime.

BobtheFascist: So? Don't be Catholic.

Or be Episcopalian. All the pageantry, none of the standards.

Watchman: Well, except that excommunication is not banishment to hell. Or even permanent.

This. All excommunication means is no sacraments until you give in.

Suicidal Writer: The Catholic Church has to be the most imbalanced organization on the planet. They are causing problems in the developing world, they hide sex abusers, and their theology is backwards, but they do the most charity work and are filled with intellectuals and aren't as hostile to science as other denominations.

I hope they elect a Jesuit Pope in my lifetime.

As much as I would like to see this, there probably won't be one. Jesuits are not supposed to "ambition" to Church office or even put their name forward as candidates, and they're supposed to report any Jesuit who does. But yeah, it would be cool to have priests who can admire science while bringing some eternal Truth to the world.

I'ds like to "nail my thesis" to her doorway if you know what I mean.

My apologies. That was Lutheran humor. We are raised to be completely humorless and stoicly bear whatever butt-farking life delivers us.

Reggaenomics: erewhon: "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith"

Yes, it is: "The CDF is the modern name for what used to be the Holy Office of the Inquisition." (source: Wiki pops)

Wonderful lot, this bunch.
And people wonder why the Catholic Church isn't so popular these days. Protecting gay child-molesting priests while at the same time condemning homosexuality, excommunicating not only female priests, but anyone who "dares" to ordain them, where does it stop? Get with the program, Vatican.

my job has a 'no weapons on premises' policy. if i break that rule, i'll be fired. the catholic church has a 'no female priests' policy. i see no problem with them enforcing it the same way

You want to increase the number of priests? Allow women and let them marry.

/I'm a friggin genius

erewhon: Isn't the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" the Inquisition?

Nobody expects... ah nevermind.

Reggaenomics: "The CDF is the modern name for what used to be the Holy Office of the Inquisition."

Yes, but do they have the element of surprise?

Suicidal Writer: I hope they elect a Jesuit Pope in my lifetime.

Good luck finding one who can stay sober long enough.

Unright: BobtheFascist: So? Don't be Catholic.

There's always a work-around.

This guy did. (new window)

They say "excommunication" like it's a bad thing.

The Catholic Church has far outlived its usefulness and its purpose.

/of course, I feel the same about all organized religion.

Watchman: Marley: perfect headline, subby

Well, except that excommunication is not banishment to hell. Or even permanent.

That's what I was taught as a kid. And it was hinted that the most innocuous of sins would bring it down on me.

meh, compared to institutionalized pedo sex that's no big deal.

The church said it cannot change the rules banning women from the priesthood because Christ chose only men as his apostles. Church law states that only a baptized male can be made a priest.

Flawed logic, oh mighty Church. Maybe Jesus chose his apostles based on their character or other qualities, rather than gender. Maybe he would have chosen a woman as an apostle had be encountered the right woman. Jesus didn't choose any French people as apostles either, but you allow French priests. He didn't choose any little people as apostles, how about setting a minimum height to become a priest?

IF YOU DON'T farkING LIKE IT, DON'T farkING BE CATHOLIC. IF YOU WANT TO BE CATHOLIC, FOLLOW THE farkING RULES.

OTHERWISE, SUCK THE PIPE. THEY DON'T NEED YOUR MONEY.

thalidomide new and improved: IF YOU DON'T farkING LIKE IT, DON'T farkING BE CATHOLIC. IF YOU WANT TO BE CATHOLIC, FOLLOW THE farkING RULES.

OTHERWISE, SUCK THE PIPE. THEY DON'T NEED YOUR MONEY.

But they sure want it.

The Catholic Church is patriarchal. It's not like this is a new thing. Don't people research these things before joining?

in other news.. the vatican thinks its opinion is relevant tho the ppl who
already aren't to them listening

thalidomide new and improved:

Seconded !


/Don't like it, form your own Church.
//Cause that's a new idea !

BobtheFascist: So? Don't be Catholic.

THIS.

MasterThief:

This. All excommunication means is no sacraments until you give in.

Sounds like it's time to set up shop as a sin-eatter. Bit of salt, bit of bread, bit of chalk and no fear of the afterlife for me so everybody wins. The Catholics get their reputation for being socially backwards farks back, women get to be priests, and I get some hassle free cash.

Reggaenomics: Protecting gay child-molesting priests

Fixed. Pedophiles don't care about gender.

Oh yea? My imaginary friend hates you too buttholes.

MrLint:

in other news.. the vatican thinks its opinion is relevant tho the ppl who
already aren't to them listening

And this hits it right on the money. These people have already ignored the church, it isn't going to matter one whit what the Vatican says about these women priests when they just hold their ordination ceremony elsewhere.

What does the Vatican have to do with Jesus? They've got their own set of witches and wizards who have performed what are claimed and believed to be holy acts. Clearly Catholicism is a polytheist religion.

bmasso: BobtheFascist: So? Don't be Catholic.

THIS.

Pretty much what is happening.

deadapostle: What does the Vatican have to do with Jesus? They've got their own set of witches and wizards who have performed what are claimed and believed to be holy acts. Clearly Catholicism is a polytheist religion.

Ah yes, got to love the "Catholics worship Mary" crowd eh?

Forget Mary, Catholics are idol-worshippers. Just ask the orthodox church.

Heh. I'm not religious, but I'm pretty sure Christ said that the only way to Heaven was through Him. Which implies that only He (and presumably His Dad) get to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

St. Peter at the gates is just a doorman.

Oh, and because it's obligatory when I remember it:

I'm not Catholic. I used to be, and the rest of my family is very intertwined with the church (one brother's a priest, another is considering the deaconhood), but I no longer agree with them on just about anything. There are many problems with the modern Catholic Church at large.

That said, this article is not really one of them. Agree or not, the church has a rule that only males can be priests. Therefore, a woman who is "ordained" or a bishop who "ordains" a woman is violating a direct rule from Rome, and as such is subject to punishment.
An excommunicated priest is removed from the priesthood and can no longer receive communion or any other sacrament as long as the sanction is on them, but they can still attend mass (anyone can) and are expected to, so they remain in the community, eventually (the idea is) realizing the error of their ways, repenting, and being forgiven by the Church.

Megain: Reggaenomics: erewhon: "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith"

Yes, it is: "The CDF is the modern name for what used to be the Holy Office of the Inquisition." (source: Wiki pops)

Wonderful lot, this bunch.
And people wonder why the Catholic Church isn't so popular these days. Protecting gay child-molesting priests while at the same time condemning homosexuality, excommunicating not only female priests, but anyone who "dares" to ordain them, where does it stop? Get with the program, Vatican.

my job has a 'no weapons on premises' policy. if i break that rule, i'll be fired. the catholic church has a 'no female priests' policy. i see no problem with them enforcing it the same way

My store has a "no attractive and successful African-Americans" policy. If you break my rule, why the hell are you all getting all up in my face?

/see the problem here?

Kome: erewhon: Isn't the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" the Inquisition?

Nobody expects... ah nevermind.

Nobody expects what? What are we do be expecting, I seem to be unaware.

Marley: That's what I was taught as a kid.

That's a shame. Seriously. I find most Catholic beliefs that people dislike are not Catholic beliefs at all.

Abner Doon: My store has a "no attractive and successful African-Americans" policy. If you break my rule, why the hell are you all getting all up in my face?

/see the problem here?

yeah. you work for racists

i love the easy ones