Woah! Hey, Submitter! That's Farmers Branch. Don't smear Dallas with that crap; we've got enough of our own crap to get smeared with.

filth: Woah! Hey, Submitter! That's Farmers Branch. Don't smear Dallas with that crap; we've got enough of our own crap to get smeared with.

Dude.

cute headline.

All they have to do to satisfy the judge's objections is to run a check on tenants and inform ICE of the ones that are illegal. Then its the feds who'd be rousting them instead of the city.

It's a step in the right direction. They need to bar the construction, lawn mowing and food prep industry from hiring them, not the apartments from renting to them. I am not talking about fines, I'm talking about pound me in the ass prison.

/and I am sure as hell not happy to have them mow my lawn

The punishment of landlords is particularly ridiculous. If the illegal guests make it across the border, they should have access to social services and the ability to get a home. If the government can't do it's job, it's not private citizens fault. The illegal guests are human beings and shouldn't be treated like gutter trash for trying to make it in the world. They pay taxes, so they should be treated as any guest would. This country is pretty disrespectful to the backbone of its economy.

Misch: Dude.

Question: Is Marlton, NJ a suburb of Philadelphia?

Filth

In case you haven't noticed, DFW is just one big city now.



So it all kind of sucks by association.

I don't know about the specific geography of Dallas/Farmers Branch. But Texas seems to be working hard to get their own tag

I'm just curious...Who's going to be building all these houses and serving food at Mcdonald's then? high schoolers are spoiled little biatches thanks to mom and dad and construction work would probably have to double their hourly wage for a citizen or legal alien to do the job. Therefore we will have a lack of housing and we'll have to sleep outside if the illegal aliens.

MrTwist: Filth

In case you haven't noticed, DFW is just one big city now.



So it all kind of sucks by association.

Where on that map were the Mormons marrying 12 year olds?

/knows nothing about texas

Suicidal Writer: The illegal guests are human beings

Non-US citizens (especially brown ones) are not human beings, they are scary different people and we should treat them as we do ants. This to include bombing them, forcing dictators upon them, and dragging them kicking and screaming out of our great nation.

mrmaster: I'm just curious...Who's going to be building all these houses and serving food at Mcdonald's then? high schoolers are spoiled little biatches thanks to mom and dad and construction work would probably have to double their hourly wage for a citizen or legal alien to do the job. Therefore we will have a lack of housing and we'll have to sleep outside if the illegal aliens.

It's not the hourly wage that lures general contractors to the Mexicans. It's the work ethic. I'd be surprised if they were actually paid substantially less then other races for construction jobs. Most Mexicans I see are working with all-Mexican subcontractors, which probably don't work much different than non-Mexican subs, except only one person on the jobsite needs to know any English.

Suicidal Writer: The punishment of landlords is particularly ridiculous. If the illegal guests make it across the border, they should have access to social services and the ability to get a home. If the government can't do it's job, it's not private citizens fault. The illegal guests are human beings and shouldn't be treated like gutter trash for trying to make it in the world. They pay taxes, so they should be treated as any guest would. This country is pretty disrespectful to the backbone of its economy.


Guests? Who the fark invited them? Social services? They don't deserve a farking penny.

I give that troll attempt a 2/10.

mrmaster 2008-05-29 07:55:40 PM
I'm just curious...Who's going to be building all these houses and serving food at Mcdonald's then? high schoolers are spoiled little biatches thanks to mom and dad and construction work would probably have to double their hourly wage for a citizen or legal alien to do the job. Therefore we will have a lack of housing and we'll have to sleep outside if the illegal aliens.

Who's doing those jobs in, say, Hawaii? There are very few illegals there, but Hawaiians seem to get along ok.

Shaggy_C: Suicidal Writer: The illegal guests are human beings

Non-US citizens (especially brown ones) are not human beings, they are scary different people and we should treat them as we do ants. This to include bombing them, forcing dictators upon them, and dragging them kicking and screaming out of our great nation.

We do need to start treating them as humans. And the only way to do that is to start pretending our immigration laws don't exist.

_{...er, keep pretending...}

jjorsett: Who's doing those jobs in, say, Hawaii? There are very few illegals there, but Hawaiians seem to get along ok.

A Big Mac costs $8 in Hawaii. That's a terrible example.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

SuperTramp: "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

"And there are legal means to accept them. We're hoping they respect and appreciate our laws."

MrTwist: Here's where the FLDS is located:

I recommend Mejor Que Nada if you go through San Angelo. Good TexMex.

Subby realizes that, in France, they treat the legal immigrants worse than we treat the illegal trespassers, right? Why do you think the youth of the muslim community there routinely set things on fire? It's sure not because they hate freedom, wine, and cheese.

And we are treating illegal immigrants as humans -- if they were animals, we'd hardly be holding them to a minimum standard of cooperating with the rules that keep society running. Being human is a lot more about being responsible for your actions than people giving you free shiat you don't deserve under the laws of any country.

//For instance, US hospitals will treat anyone that has an "emergency"-level injury, without asking who they are or where they come from. Won't be as good care as if you scheduled in advance, for obvious reasons, but it's there.

moothemagiccow: It's a step in the right direction. They need to bar the construction, lawn mowing and food prep industry from hiring them, not the apartments from renting to them. I am not talking about fines, I'm talking about pound me in the ass prison.

/and I am sure as hell not happy to have them mow my lawn

And I suppose that your ancestors are not immigrants to this continent?

At least the Latino workers are native to what is now known as the North American continent.

If I remember my history correctly Texas used to be part of Mexico, and Latinos have been living in this part of the country longer than the Anglos.

So who is the immigrant?

BTW: I know that every time I buy something I pay a sales tax. I know that who ever owns the property where I live pays property tax. How do these brown people get around paying these taxes?

Jim_Callahan: Being human is a lot more about being responsible for your actions than people giving you free shiat you don't deserve under the laws of any country.

Would you support a guest worker program, similar to what Bush has been proposing?

Fact Man: "And there are legal means to accept them. We're hoping they respect and appreciate our laws."

You realize we have immigration quotas...excuse me 'diversity targets' that make it next to impossible to get here legally from Mexico if you do not have a job or family member already lined up here? It's discriminatory as all hell, making it an unjust law and therefore those who disobey it are right, just as those who helped runaway slaves were right.

CDP: moothemagiccow: It's a step in the right direction. They need to bar the construction, lawn mowing and food prep industry from hiring them, not the apartments from renting to them. I am not talking about fines, I'm talking about pound me in the ass prison.

/and I am sure as hell not happy to have them mow my lawn

And I suppose that your ancestors are not immigrants to this continent?

At least the Latino workers are native to what is now known as the North American continent.

If I remember my history correctly Texas used to be part of Mexico, and Latinos have been living in this part of the country longer than the Anglos.

So who is the immigrant?

BTW: I know that every time I buy something I pay a sales tax. I know that who ever owns the property where I live pays property tax. How do these brown people get around paying these taxes?

We're talking about ILLEGAL immigration. ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ILLEGAL immigration!

Why are 75% of pro-illegal immigration retorts "Well your ancestors came from another country too!" If they came legally, that's a moot point.

Fact Man: We're talking about ILLEGAL immigration.

I'll ask you the same question: would you support a guest worker program similar to what Bush has been proposing?

Shaggy_C: Fact Man: "And there are legal means to accept them. We're hoping they respect and appreciate our laws."

You realize we have immigration quotas...excuse me 'diversity targets' that make it next to impossible to get here legally from Mexico if you do not have a job or family member already lined up here? It's discriminatory as all hell, making it an unjust law and therefore those who disobey it are right, just as those who helped runaway slaves were right.

Then push legislation to modify the laws, don't say "shiat, just break 'em" and support border jumpers unconditionally.

For some people, it ALWAYS, INEVITABLY is reduced to the most BASAL - fear of The Other, a matter of US and THEM

when it's the people running our country we should most fear.

/Divide and conquer still works

CDP

At least the Latino workers are native to what is now known as the North American continent.

LOL? Some of their ancestors were here before other people, sure, but they don't treat natives much better than the Americans.

Mestizos are native like Johnny Depp is an Indian.

Shaggy_C: You realize we have immigration quotas...excuse me 'diversity targets' that make it next to impossible to get here legally from Mexico if you do not have a job or family member already lined up here? It's discriminatory as all hell, making it an unjust law and therefore those who disobey it are right, just as those who helped runaway slaves were right.


Yeesh.

1) It's poor logic to compare illegals with the underground railroad. The situation with illegals is a farking invasion. Also, we're talking about crossing over national borders, not state borders.

2) We need immigration quotas. Otherwise, we're letting in too many people who are uneducated, and are more likely to sponge off of social programs.

Also, if Cubans are allowed to be granted instant amnesty, then it's only fair that everyone else it gets it. It isn't like the Mexicans, or others, are coming here to lounge around. They want just want to work.

First, the oldest discriminatory policy is one that lets Cubans who have left Cuba for the United States enter and stay in the United States despite their illegal entry. That policy is accomplished by the use of the discretionary authority conferred on the Executive Branch in our immigration law to parole an alien into the country despite the lack of proper documentation. As a result of being paroled into the country, the Cuban illegal entrants are given a work permit. That policy has been in effect for decades - since the Castro-led revolution declared itself to be communist and allied with the Soviet Union in the early 1960s.

U.S. Cuba Policy Rewards Illegal Immigration (new window)

The_Sponge

Yeesh.

1) It's poor logic to compare illegals with the underground railroad. The situation with illegals is a farking invasion. Also, we're talking about crossing over national borders, not state borders.

2) We need immigration quotas. Otherwise, we're letting in too many people who are uneducated, and are more likely to sponge off of social programs.

Interesting choice of words there, The_Sponge I knew what I'd find when I clicked your profile -- 100% Conservative. What is it you're hoping to sponge off of, excuse me, "conserve"?

Suicidal Writer: It isn't like the Mexicans, or others, are coming here to lounge around. They want just want to work.


Why do you think California is going broke? Because too many of them are using up the social programs.

Illegal immigration is only going to get worse if the shiatty idea of national healthcare becomes a sad reality.

The_Sponge: Yeesh.

1) It's poor logic to compare illegals with the underground railroad. The situation with illegals is a farking invasion. Also, we're talking about crossing over national borders, not state borders.

2) We need immigration quotas. Otherwise, we're letting in too many people who are uneducated, and are more likely to sponge off of social programs.

You another unjust law? Alright, how about race-based seating on buses? Or having to close your shop on Sunday?

And to your second point, why make the quotas race and country based then? If you want to argue that we should only let in people based on education, you've got a point, but that means that you're against the status quo just as I am.

SuperTramp: The_Sponge

Yeesh.

1) It's poor logic to compare illegals with the underground railroad. The situation with illegals is a farking invasion. Also, we're talking about crossing over national borders, not state borders.

2) We need immigration quotas. Otherwise, we're letting in too many people who are uneducated, and are more likely to sponge off of social programs.

Interesting choice of words there, The_Sponge I knew what I'd find when I clicked your profile -- 100% Conservative. What is it you're hoping to sponge off of, excuse me, "conserve"?


Do your research....my profile lists me as 80% conservative.

The_Sponge
Do your research....my profile lists me as 80% conservative.

That's 4/5 Conservative. What are you hoping to conserve, even more of your tax dollars going toward planes and tanks and bombs? Why is it better to spend more of your tax dollars on devices that kill people instead of programs that help them?

Shaggy_C: The_Sponge: Yeesh.

1) It's poor logic to compare illegals with the underground railroad. The situation with illegals is a farking invasion. Also, we're talking about crossing over national borders, not state borders.

2) We need immigration quotas. Otherwise, we're letting in too many people who are uneducated, and are more likely to sponge off of social programs.

You another unjust law? Alright, how about race-based seating on buses? Or having to close your shop on Sunday?

And to your second point, why make the quotas race and country based then? If you want to argue that we should only let in people based on education, you've got a point, but that means that you're against the status quo just as I am.


Nobody has the right to invade our borders....nobody.

By and large, it's not the educated people from Mexico sneaking in, it's the uneducated poor people, and we already have enough problems in this country.

That's fine, immigration should be a case by case basis. But if you come here, you need to agree that you will never receive welfare and food stamps.

My Dad is Ukrainian (immigrated to America legally as a toddler). Back in junior high, we were at a toy store, and he overheard some couple speaking Ukrainian. He talked to them for a bit, and when they left, he told me that they were on welfare.

Fark that....kick them out.

SuperTramp: The_Sponge
Do your research....my profile lists me as 80% conservative.

That's 4/5 Conservative. What are you hoping to conserve, even more of your tax dollars going toward planes and tanks and bombs? Why is it better to spend more of your tax dollars on devices that kill people instead of programs that help them?


We're talking about social programs right now, not the military. Regardless, we need to severely cut a lot of federal spending so we can pay off the national debt.

More social programs are going to be a disaster for this country, and socialism is the last thing we need.

All I want is lower taxes, less government, less gun control, and the freedom to smoke a cigar at a private business. That isn't too much to ask.

The_Sponge:
Why do you think California is going broke? Because too many of them are using up the social programs.

Illegal immigration is only going to get worse if the shiatty idea of national healthcare becomes a sad reality.


Sucks for California. At least here in Texas we're projected to have a $10 billion surplus, even with all the illegal immigrants.Link (new window)

On another note, considering that Texas has a Property Tax, not an income tax, and considering the fact that landlords will increase the rent of tenants in their property to pay for the tax, isn't that forcing illegal immigrants to pay taxes? But again, the city council of Farmers Branch is full of xenophobic idiots, so what do you expect?

The Beacon Man: CDP: At least the Latino workers are native to what is now known as the North American continent.


If they are 100% Aztec, they are native to the region now generally known as Mexico. That's about it.

If they are descended from Spaniards (as virtually all of them are), then they are 'native' to nothing in this hemisphere.

Mestizo is a Spanish term that was formerly used in the Spanish Empire and continues to be used today in Latin America to refer to people of mixed European (Spaniard) and Amerindian ancestry living in the region of Latin America.
Link (new window)

Would you like a do over on that?

The_Sponge

My Dad is Ukrainian (immigrated to America legally as a toddler). Back in junior high, we were at a toy store, and he overheard some couple speaking Ukrainian. He talked to them for a bit, and when they left, he told me that they were on welfare.

Fark that....kick them out.

Since I was born, the world population has more than doubled, from 3 billion or so to over 6 billion. When my dad was born, it as only around 2 billion. And guess what, the overwhelming number of them are poor.

Dude, face it, you're outnumbered.

SuperTramp: Since I was born, the world population has more than doubled, from 3 billion or so to over 6 billion. When my dad was born, it as only around 2 billion. And guess what, the overwhelming number of them are poor.

Dude, face it, you're outnumbered.


So it's the job of the U.S. to provide welfare benefits to poor people?

So now we have a Federal judge saying you HAVE to do business with criminals.....

You want to end illegal immigration, perhaps even reverse it, here's how:

The justice department makes a statement that they will be severely enforcing existing immigration laws. Two, they make an example of several serious offending companies. Once companies realize this can hurt their bottom line, they'll knock it off. Once illegals realize they can't get a job, they'll leave.

The_Sponge: All I want is lower taxes,.

Don't we all?

less government,

It takes more government to enforce immigration laws.

less gun control,

Less than what? And you know... what is it about gun control that gets people so worked up? Every other Constitutional Amendment has known restrictions. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. The 4th and 5th Amendments apparently don't apply to certain situations; e.g., DUI cases or suspected "terrorists", or no knock warrants that are wrongfully executed on a regular basis by paramilitary forces that call themselves "police". Yet, one mention of restrictions on the 2nd amendment sends people in a tizzy that should be equally applied to every other right being taken away from us. Why don't "conservatives" get as passionate about protecting our civil liberties?

and the freedom to smoke a cigar at a private business.

I think we can all agree on that.

The_Sponge: Nobody has the right to invade our borders....nobody.

No black people had the right to sit in the front of the bus.
No slaves had the right to run away from their masters.
No colonists had the right to declare independence from the crown.
No person had the right not to be a Christian.

All the same thing. Forcing people to obey unjust laws is draconian, unless you believe all laws are inherently good and must be obeyed just because they are the law.

I'll say the same thing I always say in these threads, and it always falls on deaf ears:

If you want to curtail illegal immigration, strictly enforce labor and wage laws. Make sure everyone is held to the same high standards, minimum wage, etc, and shut down companies that violate those laws.

But that's socialism. OH NO.

The_Sponge
So it's the job of the U.S. to provide welfare benefits to poor people?

All I want is lower taxes, less government, less gun control, and the freedom to smoke a cigar at a private business. That isn't too much to ask.

An ever-increasing number of poor people make the cigars you smoke, the clothes you wear, harvest, pack, and trasport the food you eat, fix what you don't throw away, clean your streets and your toilet -- and you begrudge them the ability to feed their children and have a roof over their head? What are you, a tsar?