and it is somehow suprising that the clintons are full of shiat? or is it because they have been for quite some time now?

But, but but....Dukakis!

and that worked out so well!

Thread chock full o' concern trolls comparing Obama to Dukakis in 3...2...1...

No one had any idea who Bill Clinton was at the time, so why does this matter?

robsul82: Thread chock full o' concern trolls comparing Obama to Dukakis in 3...2...1...

preemptive

what_now: No one had any idea who Bill Clinton was at the time, so why does this matter?

I like to reminisce.

There is no voters' choice or clear leader among the Democrats this year. There's the guy who's leading 41-37%.

robsul82: Thread chock full o' concern trolls comparing Obama to Dukakis in 3...2...1...



I was going to do a Willie Horton one, but I see that they've already done that.

ZAZ: There is no voters' choice or clear leader among the Democrats this year. There's the guy who's leading 41-37%.

So..the guy who's leading in every single metric isn't the clear choice? What kind of math is that? I could see it if they were tied.

ZAZ: There is no voters' choice or clear leader among the Democrats this year. There's the guy who's leading 41-37%.

The winner is the person who's ahead, jackass.

My only concern is that Obama has alienated white voters with his muslim agenda to become the next Dukakis. A muslim Dukakis who mixes the pedigree of an unlikable oily greek with the charms of a terrorist.

absoluteparanoia: My only concern is that Obama has alienated white voters with his muslim agenda to become the next Dukakis. A muslim Dukakis who mixes the pedigree of an unlikable oily greek with the charms of a terrorist.

My only concern is that McCain has alienated rational voters with his Bush's biatch boy agenda to become the next next Dubya. A biatch boy McCain who mixes the pedigree of an unlikable oily tycoon with the charms of your smelly Grandpa.

/both sides deserve a troll

absoluteparanoia: My only concern is that Obama has alienated white voters with his muslim agenda to become the next Dukakis. A muslim Dukakis who mixes the pedigree of an unlikable oily greek with the charms of a terrorist.

Well, the handle's appropriate.

albo: and that worked out so well!

What the heck does that have to do with Clinton being a farking hypocrite?

/both sides deserve a troll

Is it really a troll when it's an obvious joke?

I'll bet Bill wishes he could get Al Gore to deinvent the Internet.

what_now [TotalFark] Quote 2008-05-29 01:29:20 PM
No one had any idea who Bill Clinton was at the time, so why does this matter?

Because it shows his utter hypocrisy

You don't understand. 9/11 changed everything.

Things were completely different back then -- back then the person in second was a black guy.

/wait.

Bill Frist: what_now [TotalFark] Quote 2008-05-29 01:29:20 PM
No one had any idea who Bill Clinton was at the time, so why does this matter?

Because it shows his utter hypocrisy

And we should care that he is a hypocrit why? He's not running for ANY office, so who gives a shiat what he thinks anymore?

Now his wife's hypocracy is a different matter entirely and I think it's pretty clear that she is a bigger hypocrit then he is.

My only concern is that there is now tape of another pastor from his church that is even more hateful than Rev. Wright.
I'm also concerned that Obama has this 'truth' problem, i.e. Auschwitz lies. Granfather, Uncle, Grand-great-uncle...WTF!?!?
I'm also concerned with the way he has abused the first female to get the majority of votes in the primary process.
I'm also concerned that he won't meet with our Generals. In private, not out in the open, like when he met them when they testified before him in the Senate.
I'm also concerned he won't go to Iraq.
I'm also concerned that he wants to talk, TALK , with our enemies.
I'm also concerned he is going to reverse all those executive orders. Or that he won't now that he promised he will.
I'm also concerned that he might do something vague and unspecified in the future that I might find distasteful.

...and don't get me started on the black thing.
/runs
//How'm I doin' Danlpoon?

the "funny" thing about that Dukakis tank photo? Dukakis served in the army, stationed in Korea for a couple of years in the mid '50's as part of a tank crew. But we know its always acceptable to make fun of a Democrat's military service, so laugh away at the guy who actually had worn a similar helmet before in military service to his country.

I'm not voting for Obama, but I would take a guess and assume that he looks better while driving a tank.

lawboy87: the "funny" thing about that Dukakis tank photo? Dukakis served in the army, stationed in Korea for a couple of years in the mid '50's as part of a tank crew. But we know its always acceptable to make fun of a Democrat's military service, so laugh away at the guy who actually had worn a similar helmet before in military service to his country.

YOU LOST. SUCK IT LIBS!

robsul82: concern trolls

I understand the words "concern" and "troll" mean individually, but I don't get what a "concern troll" is. Or, for that matter, why it seems to be used almost exclusively in reference to Obama posts. Can anyone explain this new meme to me?

lawboy87: the "funny" thing about that Dukakis tank photo? Dukakis served in the army, stationed in Korea for a couple of years in the mid '50's as part of a tank crew. But we know its always acceptable to make fun of a Democrat's military service, so laugh away at the guy who actually had worn a similar helmet before in military service to his country.

Yeah, but let's be honest. He didn't look good in it.

Now here's how a REAL man wears combat dress:

The Clintons are so full of shiat its coming out of their ears.

How anyone can support them after the last 3 months is beyond me.

Smellvin Quote 2008-05-29 04:24:55 PM
robsul82: concern trolls

I understand the words "concern" and "troll" mean individually, but I don't get what a "concern troll" is. Or, for that matter, why it seems to be used almost exclusively in reference to Obama posts. Can anyone explain this new meme to me?


I think it is supposed to mean people who pretend to be helping a group they actually hate with false advice.

Typically right now it is used to talk about republicans who talk about how Obama is weak and Clinton is the better choice, when they want the democrats to lose and that is the only reason they are pretending Hillary would be strong.

vernonFL: The Clintons are so full of shiat its coming out of their ears.

How anyone can support them after the last 3 months is beyond me.

Chelsea is one hot momma. Other than that, I have no sympathy.

AnnoyingKidNextDoor: Chelsea is one hot momma. Other than that, I have no sympathy.

...

Bill Frist:
I think it is supposed to mean people who pretend to be helping a group they actually hate with false advice.

Typically right now it is used to talk about republicans who talk about how Obama is weak and Clinton is the better choice, when they want the democrats to lose and that is the only reason they are pretending Hillary would be strong.

As one who has been labeled it many times I feel some expertise on the subject. I do want the democrats to lose but that doesn't mean I am pretending that Hillary is the stronger candidate. She IS the stronger candidate. When I say that Obama is having problems with white rural voters it is not out of concern that I say that, it is because he IS having problems with white rural voters. When I say that Obama getting his ass kicked at this stage in the game in Kent or W. Va is not a good sign it's not because....well you get the point.

Hang On Voltaire: Bill Frist:
I think it is supposed to mean people who pretend to be helping a group they actually hate with false advice.

Typically right now it is used to talk about republicans who talk about how Obama is weak and Clinton is the better choice, when they want the democrats to lose and that is the only reason they are pretending Hillary would be strong.

As one who has been labeled it many times I feel some expertise on the subject. I do want the democrats to lose but that doesn't mean I am pretending that Hillary is the stronger candidate. She IS the stronger candidate. When I say that Obama is having problems with white rural voters it is not out of concern that I say that, it is because he IS having problems with white rural voters. When I say that Obama getting his ass kicked at this stage in the game in Kent or W. Va is not a good sign it's not because....well you get the point.

The WV post voting interviews made me ashamed to be an American.

Bill Frist: Thankee. That's more or less what I thought, but the retarded syntax of the phrase confuddled me. As a reward for your efforts, have this picture of a shiny spoon.

debug: He's not running for ANY office, so who gives a shiat what he thinks anymore?

Your naivety tastes like strawberries.

Rev. Skarekroe:
Now here's how a REAL man wears combat dress:

i think the hearts gave it that extra special touch.

Depends on what your definition of HellionWife is.

If stupidity were a crime, this would be compounding a felony.

NEWS FLASH -- Hillary just won the general election yesterday. Oh, sure, it was a little early, McCain's name wasn't on the ballot, and you were not told that a meaningful election was going to be held yesterday. But, she won it, damn it, and she's gonna count it. Measure the drapes, boys!

Again, the Clintons should be reminded that we can look shiat like this up on the internets.

So Hillaryis44 has discovered their troll, and while attacking the troll, "filbersf" had this gem....

# filbertsf Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

Sonia, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You sound like a goddamn GOP ranting senselessly. I don't like Pelosi at this point, but I hate ppl based on facts and what they've done, not from things I made up:

1) Pelosi never said anything about impeachment. In fact, she angered the DailyKooks when she said "impeachment is off the table"

2) the Dem Congress did get what they needed to get done within the first whatever hours it was.
Minimum wage - check
911 Commission recom - check
Expansion of Stem Cell Funding - check
Veterans care - check

The did their part. If Bush vetoes them, he vetoes them. Dems only have a slim majority and it's the obstructive GOP who have not allowed bills to come to the floor.

3) She has nice teeth. If I had nice teeth, I'd get it cleaned, too - frequent and often

Bill Frist: Smellvin Quote 2008-05-29 04:24:55 PM
robsul82: concern trolls

I understand the words "concern" and "troll" mean individually, but I don't get what a "concern troll" is. Or, for that matter, why it seems to be used almost exclusively in reference to Obama posts. Can anyone explain this new meme to me?


I think it is supposed to mean people who pretend to be helping a group they actually hate with false advice.

Typically right now it is used to talk about republicans who talk about how Obama is weak and Clinton is the better choice, when they want the democrats to lose and that is the only reason they are pretending Hillary would be strong.

There must be better terms for this, considering how often this has to be explained. "Concern troll" is a weak, weird and jargony term. And it makes incorrect use of the (also jargony) term "troll".

- Decoy
- Impostor
- Agent provocateur

Mr. Anon: The WV post voting interviews made me ashamed to be an American.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y32Zipsabc (new window)

for anyone else who needs to be reminded what he's talking about

She IS the stronger candidate. When I say that Obama is having problems with white rural voters it is not out of concern that I say that, it is because he IS having problems with white rural voters. When I say that Obama getting his ass kicked at this stage in the game in Kent or W. Va is not a good sign it's not because....well you get the point.

No, she is not the stronger candidate at all. And no, it is not a coincidence that the same right wing loser who ranted against Clinton when she was leading (Buchanan, Rove, etc.) suddenly switched to saying she was the better candidate the minute OBama looked like the nominee.

First, a correction: Obama is NOT weak amongst white rural voters per se. He is weak amongst APPALACHIAN white rural voters. He has dominated the white vote in a lot of areas of the country, just not applachia which happens to look magnified due to the primary calander (leaving WV, Kentucky, Ohio, PA and Indiana all together). If those states had voted earlier we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Secondly, even if I grant, for the sake of argument, that Hillary is the stronger candidate on some theoretical level not even the most desperate of concern trolls could really pretend that Hillary would be a better pick at this point. If the super delegates overturned the will of the voters it would cause a farking shiat storm. Independents would flee from the democratic party while a political civil war ensued. Youth and blacks, two groups that normally don't turn out in that large of numbers anyway, wouldn't even be a factor. McCain would win in a landslide.

There is simply no way Hillary could win an election at this point, even if she might theoretically have been a stronger candidate had she won by Feb 5th.


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That said, I definitly dispute the idea that she is stronger. Consider the following factors:


1) Modern elections are about turnout. Obama inspires huge turnouts, especially amongst voter groups that often feel unrepresented so don't turn out (blacks, youth). Hillary, OTOH, will drive down turnout on those groups and will inspire a larger turnout for the GOP since she is so despised.

Advantage Obama.

2) Arguably the second largest concern, after turnout, is money. Obama has shown to be a money machine, while Hillary has already tapped out her donor base.

Advantage Obama.

3) Obama is loved by independents as is McCain. Hillary is hated by independents. Nominating Hillary essentially concedes the largest swing group to the GOP.

Advantage Obama.

4) Although blacks are overrepresenting in Dem primaries compared to the general election, no group is more overrepresented than women in Dem primaries. They make up about 60% of the electorate, instead of the ~50 they make up in the general. Hillary's stregnths have been massively overstated by the female factor in Dem primaries.

Advantage Obama.

5) Although Hillary will definitly be stronger in appalachia, Obama is much stronger out west and in the northwest.

A wash

6) The Bob Barr factor. Barr will campaign heavily in states like Georgia and other southern states. Hillary has zero chance of winning those states. Obama, however, could seriously contest them due to his massive black turnout if Barr is siphoning votes away from McCain. Even if he doesn't win any, he will pose enough of a threat that McCain will have to spend time and money in the deep south, while he won't against Hillary.

Advantage Obama.

7) Baggage. Hillary has had a free ride since the media and GOP have decided Obama is the winner and Obama is playing the high road. In a general against McCain, her massive piles of baggage will be aired. Obamas gaffes and inuendos (muslim? no flag pin? etc.) are really nothing but mole hills compared to the Rocky Mountains of baggage the Clintons hold.

Advantage Obama.

8) Change. Voters want change and a big part of that is a change of faces. Obama can tie McCain to Bush and make him seem like an extension compared to himself, a fresh face. Hillary, however, can hardly claim to be a new face for America to see. Americans have shown they are already sick of the Clintons, the GOP will be able to exploit this easily.

Advantage Obama.


I could go on and on but you get the picture.

Yes, Hillary is stronger amongst appalachian whites and also hispanics, but those two minor strengths dont' make up for her substantial weaknesses.

Hmmm, Clinton chimes in during an election to sneakily set the stage for Clinton to win the following election . . .

1988 - push for Dukakis who tanks in the general election
1992 - Clinton wins in 1992

2008 - hold the Dems hostage by litigating both sides of the Mich/Fla delegate issue, hoping that Obama crashes in the general election
2012 - Clinton wins in 2012

Perhaps, history does repeat itself.

Spike

/pun intended

BuckTurgidson: "Concern troll" is a weak, weird and jargony term. And it makes incorrect use of the (also jargony) term "troll".

- Decoy
- Impostor
- Agent provocateur

It sounds perfectly fine to me. Using your own definition, a concern decoy. Someone who gives the aura of concern, but is actually an impostor.

RockIsDead: Depends on what your definition of HellionWife is.

Any woman who says, "I do."?

Smellvin: I understand the words "concern" and "troll" mean individually, but I don't get what a "concern troll" is. Or, for that matter, why it seems to be used almost exclusively in reference to Obama posts. Can anyone explain this new meme to me?

The epitome of the concern troll is Karl Rove giving Obama advice on how to win an election.