What about that - Kerry winning Ohio and Florida just like Hillary is today. Eat it, Hillary.

So I take it that McCain is going to win 48 states this year?

What does that say about Obama if he's polling even worse?

ShutterGeek: What does that say about Obama if he's polling even worse?

Uh...That he's running against a candidate that has more support than Kerry's opponents did.

Seems pretty obvious to me.

To compare the 2004 elections to today reeks of fail.

ShutterGeek Quote 2008-05-29 03:26:42 PM
What does that say about Obama if he's polling even worse?


Well first off, he isn't polling worse in the popular vote. He just has a bunch of states that are tied or boarderline against McCain. He has a TON of room to expand.


Anyway, what it shows is that he is being attacked by two sides (Bush and the Clintons) while Hillary is getting a free pass right now.

Secondly, a large number of biter hilltrolls are distorting the polls by saying they won't vote for Obama in the fall. They will.

Chester the Snake Quote 2008-05-29 03:33:32 PM
To compare the 2004 elections to today reeks of fail.


That isn't what is happening. The post is just pointing out that polls in may bear little relation to the general election results.

Shaggy_C: So I take it that McCain is going to win 48 states this year?

No, 57 states.

Bill Frist: Well first off, he isn't polling worse in the popular vote. He just has a bunch of states that are tied or boarderline against McCain. He has a TON of room to expand.

Plus, he's running a 50-state operation, which neither Kerry did in 2004 nor McCain will do this year. That's gonna make a lot more states come into play for Obama.

Seems like an apropos place to post this- any DC area farkers heading down to the DNC this Saturday to take in the freak show? I'm seriously thinking about it- should be a surreal experience.

I never bought her "electoral college" argument anyway, but it is worth noting that she does probably run stronger than him in OH and FL given the demographics. A lot can happen between now and then, though, and those states haven't looked at a McCain vs. Obama decision yet.

I have a few other things I would like to show Hillary supporters;

Chester the Snake: To compare the 2004 elections to today reeks of fail.

The point is that the polls at this point are pretty meaningless. They were then, they are now.

I have been saying this for the last three weeks when Hillary supports use polls to say they were oh electable.

I did it first two weeks ago on a politics forum. Followed by a comment on a blog and my own political blog this morning.

ShutterGeek: What does that say about Obama if he's polling even worse?

It says Hillary needs to stop playing the victim card and, getting her supporters pissed at Obama, somehow making it his fault she ran an incompetent campaign.

His supporters support her over McCain because he's been very cordial with her. Her supporters don't support him because Hillary has actively tried to damage him.

12349876: Chester the Snake: To compare the 2004 elections to today reeks of fail.

The point is that the polls at this point are pretty meaningless. They were then, they are now.

they are not Useless, they are a good way to gauge potential support in a state right now. This is the time when a campaign says... "do we want to try to win this state?"

Thats all... to use these polls as if they are the end all and be all of electability is insanity.

knowing how much ben smith is in the bag for hillary, chances are he was trying to float this idea to show that obama polling better than hillary in "national" polls doesn't mean anything.

It's clear that Hillary is the stronger candidate. Barack Hussein Obama is going to get McGoverned, Mondaled, and Dukakised in the general election.

guilt by association: It's clear that Hillary is the stronger candidate. Barack Hussein Obama is going to get McGoverned, Mondaled, and Dukakised in the general election.

The dittoheads have arrived.

ShutterGeek: What does that say about Obama if he's polling even worse?

That he has something in common with Bill Clinton, who was polling behind George H.W. Bush the summer before the 1992 general election?

Seriously, polls don't mean shiat. Obama is leading McCain in some polls, trailing him in others -- actually, trailing in only one poll that I know of. The Clinton camp is cherry picking the one poll that benefits them.

guilt by association: It's clear that Hillary is the stronger candidate. Barack Hussein Obama is going to get McGoverned, Mondaled, and Dukakised in the general election.

Of course, Obama will fight back by Goldwatering McCain.

/"These are the stakes! To make a world in which all of God's children can live, or to go into the dark. We must either love each other, or we must die." --LBJ

guilt by association: It's clear that Hillary is the stronger candidate. Barack Hussein Obama is going to get McGoverned, Mondaled, and Dukakised in the general election.

Of course, in this context and this context only, "stronger" means something completely different than it usually does.

And stop making verbs out of politicians' names. It's unsightly.

3/10

DrowningLessons: And stop making verbs out of politicians' names. It's unsightly.

Except for "Clintoned in the boobies". That's cool.

Kerry won.

Karl Rove stole the votes of black soldiers serving in Iraq (new window - Google Video)

Re- Link (new window)

IlGreven: Of course, Obama will fight back by Goldwatering McCain.

You forgot Doleing (or would it be Doling?) McCain, too.

Funny you should mention '04, the year that a majority of Democrats WANTED Hillary to run... But that she decided "just wasn't the time".

You had your chance, Hill.

With Obama ahead just like Kerry did in 2004 will only mean a McCain win in November.

Suck it libtards.

guilt by association: It's clear that Hillary is the stronger candidate. Barack Hussein Obama is going to get McGoverned, Mondaled, and Dukakised in the general election.

I got Dukakised in Tijuana, but it cost me $50

Tholbaby: IlGreven: Of course, Obama will fight back by Goldwatering McCain.

You forgot Doleing (or would it be Doling?) McCain, too.

You don't need to Dole him if you Goldwater him.

IlGreven: Of course, Obama will fight back by Goldwatering McCain.

Eeeeeeew.

I wonder if Hillary supporters will be bitter and vote Mccain in the general

I guess we will know when she drops out and Mccains numbers jump.

Chester the Snake: To think that polling data in May will resemble election results in November compare the 2004 elections to today reeks of fail.

There ya go.

Edsel: I never bought her "electoral college" argument anyway, but it is worth noting that she does probably run stronger than him in OH and FL given the demographics. A lot can happen between now and then, though, and those states haven't looked at a McCain vs. Obama decision yet.

It's odd that she's making an electoral college argument for the general out of one side of her mouth while trying to argue that she is winning the popular vote for the primaries out of the other, even though she is guaranteed to not have the majority of pledged delegates, which is what picks the candidate, not the popular vote. Kinda like the electoral college in the general.

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Seems like an apropos place to post this- any DC area farkers heading down to the DNC this Saturday to take in the freak show? I'm seriously thinking about it- should be a surreal experience.

FYI, the Obama campaign is specifically requesting that supporters NOT show up at the DNC meeting unless they have tickets to be inside. They don't want any confrontation with the Hillary supporters outside that the media will blow up (more than they already will, I mean).

Instead they're encouraging supporters to do voter reg at some events in northern VA.

Sharing Artist's Boobies: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Seems like an apropos place to post this- any DC area farkers heading down to the DNC this Saturday to take in the freak show? I'm seriously thinking about it- should be a surreal experience.

FYI, the Obama campaign is specifically requesting that supporters NOT show up at the DNC meeting unless they have tickets to be inside. They don't want any confrontation with the Hillary supporters outside that the media will blow up (more than they already will, I mean).

Instead they're encouraging supporters to do voter reg at some events in northern VA.

there's probably going to be fake protesters too acting up trying to make one side or the other look bad. there always is.
even the NYC cops got in on it last time during the GOP convention.

Actually, he did win.

Mentat: DrowningLessons: And stop making verbs out of politicians' names. It's unsightly.

Except for "Clintoned in the boobies". That's cool.

That's one of those exceptions that's just too cool to suppress. We are agreed. :D

Looking at the the animated time-lapse map for that election is even more instructive. Kerry led polls by impressive margins until October, when it turned into a horse race. I've a feeling that McCain's campaign will repeat this--let the Democrat play everything out until the end and then attack just before the election. Republican candidates really don't care if months of polls say they're hated, so long as they win the election in the end. Basically, they're like the insufferable queen biatch in high school. Don't worry what the peasants think, they'll fall in line with a few empty gestures at the end--and it works.

Democrat candidates, on the other hand, are the desperate, but still loser, wannabe prom queens--neurotically seeking everyone's approval at all times, burning themselves out in the process.

The only recent exception to this approach in Presidential campaign was, of course, Slick Willy. Now that man could play the game and play it well. Whether or not the Democrats produce an Oily Obama remains to be seen. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, is the desperate wannabe prom queen.

That being said, McCain appears to campaign like Reagan-minus. All the gaffes and none of the charisma.

IlGreven:
Of course, Obama will fight back by Goldwatering McCain.

THIS

Funk Brothers: With Obama ahead just like Kerry did in 2004 will only mean a McCain win in November.

Suck it libtards.

That's some brilliant reasoning there, Lou.

Candidate A: 39%
Candidate B: 31%
Candidate C: 25%

The year is 1992. The month is June. I'll throw in a clue and say that Candidate B is Bush 41. So who are the other two candidates?

Chester the Snake: To compare the 2004 elections to today reeks of fail.

To nominate the established, but flawed and uninspiring candidate with an exploitable past reeks of EPIC FAIL.

The election was Kerry's to lose. And he did.

guilt by association: It's clear that Hillary is the stronger candidate.

Then why is she losing?

This was before the swiftboating of Kerry by flat-out liars and their cowardly, ungodly supporters