Reading that headline was painful.

Is the tag for subby?

pleaseleavemebe: Reading that headline was painful.

This

Plus

"This isn't where I parked my car...."

Chances are most songs that sound alike are the result of the "shotgun effect".

You get a million people firing a million shotguns off in every direction chances are two or more of them are going to hit the same targets.

There are probably hundreds of thousands of bands in the world writing their own material. Even if not confined to western music theory there are only so many notes and so many chord progressions possible. People tend to write about common life situations. So it's completely possible for two different bands to write songs that have a similar sound and similar topic without the bands plagiarizing one another.

Also, the My Sweet Lord/He's So Fine lawsuit was one of the most idiotic plagiarism lawsuits ever. The judge who found Harrison guilty of "subconsciously plagiarism" needs to be consciously kicked in the balls until he gets a clue.

Matt Damon is NOT a loser!! Link (new window)

Mileys song Link (new window)

yeah, they're the same freaking guitar line.

Okay having heard both songs I'll definitely call shotgun effect on this. It sounds like both are based of a 1st, 5th, Minor 6th, 4th progression which has been used in a lot of songs. I've even written a song called "Pop-up Wedding" using that progression.

Hannah Montana is not a thief!

Is it at THE HARVEST festival?

Wow, that is very similar.

Also, the My Sweet Lord/He's So Fine lawsuit was one of the most idiotic plagiarism lawsuits ever. The judge who found Harrison guilty of "subconsciously plagiarism" needs to be consciously kicked in the balls until he gets a clue.


A raging clue?

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i recognize that "scotty doesn't know" song from some movie... can't put my finger on it...

Third_Uncle_Eno: i recognize that "scotty doesn't know" song from some movie... can't put my finger on it...

I agree with ya, ever since I read the article I've been wondering where can I get me some absinthe

/Eurotrip, in case you weren't joking

I don't want to hear either song.

they'll quickly find out she has stinky britches

Ghastly: There are probably hundreds of thousands of bands in the world writing their own material. Even if not confined to western music theory there are only so many notes and so many chord progressions possible. i>

*has a Heinlein moment*

/obscure?

If you have a song that sounds like a Miley Cyrus song now is the time to think about quitting music. Or life.

compare the intros of these three songs in chronological order:

Firehouse- Overnight Sensation

In Flames- The Hive

Atreyu- Right Side of the Bed

'Perform' with them how exactly?

Is this another 'artistic' photo shool? Or even a full-length movie?

Ms Montana vs the whole band?

Should I have a seat over there?

meh. if they are saying she ripped them off well then i guess their music wasnt worth listening to in the first place was it?

that's the girl from Smallville with Matt Damon...

It is shocking to discover that one formulaic pop song sounds similar to another formulaic pop song.

also, her new song sounds really familiar too - i wear my sunglasses at night?

theurge14 2008-05-28 02:56:03 PM
If you have a song that sounds like a Miley Cyrus song now is the time to think about quitting music. Or life.

THIS. And here I thought hannah montana was the picture of integrity.

Ghastly: Okay having heard both songs I'll definitely call shotgun effect on this. It sounds like both are based of a 1st, 5th, Minor 6th, 4th progression which has been used in a lot of songs. I've even written a song called "Pop-up Wedding" using that progression.

K I'm a pretty good guitar player and I play by ear...how the fark do you know that just from listening to it?

Thursday- Standing on the Edge of Summer
Soilwork- Departure Plan

The more simple the riff, the more likely they will sound/ be the same.

I'll be more interested when Miley Cyrus is using riffs from Dream Theater.

falcon176
Beat me to the In Flames, Atreyu similarity. Not complaining, both bands are awesome

Red_Fox: K I'm a pretty good guitar player and I play by ear...how the fark do you know that just from listening to it?

I would assume s/he is ear trained in music theory. You'd be surprised what you can pick up on when you have solid theory.


/not plagiarism

I was listening to a System of a Down song where the intro sounded very much like Heart's Barracuda. I cannot imagine SoaD intentionally plagiarized Heart. Related to the post in that coinky-dinks do happen.

Ghastly: Okay having heard both songs I'll definitely call shotgun effect on this. It sounds like both are based of a 1st, 5th, Minor 6th, 4th progression which has been used in a lot of songs. I've even written a song called "Pop-up Wedding" using that progression.

I, V7, vi6, IV is a very common doo-wop (i.e. blues) progression. I believe Alfred's Book I teaches you the C, G7, Am, F progression before you reach page 10, even.


Your progression (C, G, Am, F....as the easiest demonstration of that progression) wouldn't make a lot of sense musically unless the G and Am were inflected, at which point it kinda gets away from being called a I, V, vi6, IV.


It's splitting hairs to an almost infinite degree. Music theory can be as simple or complex as you want it to be. I don't think think the band has a case against Cyrus' writers, though. With such a simple song/lick, almost anybody could have come up with that on their own; it doesn't exactly require Beethoven to compose that.

Ghastly: Chances are most songs that sound alike are the result of the "shotgun effect".

I was going to post something similar, but my post would've incorporated monkeys and typewriters.

Music theory can be as simple or complex as you want it to be.

I really wish someone would have told my Sophomore Theory teacher that.

/still got a B

Red_Fox: Ghastly: Okay having heard both songs I'll definitely call shotgun effect on this. It sounds like both are based of a 1st, 5th, Minor 6th, 4th progression which has been used in a lot of songs. I've even written a song called "Pop-up Wedding" using that progression.

K I'm a pretty good guitar player and I play by ear...how the fark do you know that just from listening to it?

It's as easy as learning how a chord progression sounds, then realising you know a song with that progression. From that point on you will notice any time you hear a song with that progression.

Think Pachabel's "Canon" vs Green day's "Basketcase".

Also, in rock music there are really only 5 or 6 common progressions each for major/minor.

Moses To Sandy Koufax:



It's splitting hairs to an almost infinite degree. Music theory can be as simple or complex as you want it to be. I don't think think the band has a case against Cyrus' writers, though. With such a simple song/lick, almost anybody could have come up with that on their own; it doesn't exactly require Beethoven to compose that.

What it tells me is that the whiners complaining about it haven't figured out that there are only about five different songs in all of rock and roll/country/pop.

Any time music is based upon repeating, rhythmic chord progressions, you're going to get stuck working the same material.

The drummer in my band is a snowflake about this. He's always going off on how he don't need no stinking rules. It pisses him off when he brings a new discovery to rehearsal, and I tell him, "Oh, that's in F, and we can play it in any number of different ways..."

/ Theory rocks, whether you know it or not.

That band MUST be desperate for attention. Having a song that sounds like Miley Cyrus is nothing to brag about. I'm sure they suck.

I did not expect this to be Scotty Doesn't Know..

What a great song, and while it sounds similar what song doesnt?

I think that other Miley Cyrus song sounds like "i wear my sunglasses at night"

Farkingwhatever: That band MUST be desperate for attention. Having a song that sounds like Miley Cyrus is nothing to brag about. I'm sure they suck.

What unknown band isnt desperate for attention? And they sound just as good or better than these shiatty emo bands out there today.

i heard both, Why i do not know but got distracted and looked up the girl that plays scotty's german penpal and found out that she has a band of her own

Hey, Lana Lane is farking Matt Damon!

Hmm, how about this one
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Compared to this one?
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baufan2005: Hmm, how about this one
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Compared to this one?
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Also this one:
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compared to:
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Its one thing to steal but to steal from one of the most well known rock bands is just farking idiotic, kids today are so stupid about music though so they probably didnt notice.

That movie was awesome. And pedobear is sad at the direction this thread took.

Red_Fox:
K I'm a pretty good guitar player and I play by ear...how the fark do you know that just from listening to it?

Theory nerd with ear training.

Moses To Sandy Koufax:
It's splitting hairs to an almost infinite degree. Music theory can be as simple or complex as you want it to be.

Can we have sex?

Shostie: Ghastly: Chances are most songs that sound alike are the result of the "shotgun effect".

I was going to post something similar, but my post would've incorporated monkeys and typewriters.

How about we compromise and go with the infinitely cool "MONKEYS WITH SHOTGUNS"!!!!!

baufan2005: Hmm, how about this one
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Compared to this one?
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Never heard the first one, and was never a huge fan of GnR. But GnR totally kicks that other band into the dirt.

Is there a song that has been covered more times than any other? Two categories, maybe, for traditional (public domain) vs known writer/copyright holder, perhaps?

I like "Ruby". Old bluegrass, but I've heard it fast, slow, crisp, and all electrically distorted. At least half a dozen bands, and I'm not very cool...

Ok,

1) Scotty Doesn't Know is an entirely under appreciated musical masterpiece. It is a perfect storm of auditory awesomeness. To refer to Lustra as a "loser band" is heresy.

2) While it is possible it is entirely a coincidence, it is far more likely to be a blatant rip off, although very often the person ripping it off doesn't realize they are doing so.

You hear a song a few years back, never paying it any attention. Then one day someone is playing around with a guitar and unintentionally plays the hook, and your brain starts filling in the rest. You think you are composing it, when in fact you are regurgitating the details just poorly enough to not realize it is a song you have heard before.

I'm going to say there is a .0001% chance that song sounds the same if the composer never heard Scotty Doesn't Know.

She paces and sings her "song" almost match for match with that other... Song.


... Where's the "Let's make a youtube of both songs playing at the same time" that we've come to know and love with Nickleback, lol?