So she made a poorly thought out remark, BIG DEAL. IT IS NOT AS IF SHE SENT US OFF TO WAR ABOUT A PACK OF LIES AND KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LIKE MORON BUSH!

growinthings: So she made a poorly thought out remark, BIG DEAL. IT IS NOT AS IF SHE SENT US OFF TO WAR ABOUT A PACK OF LIES AND KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LIKE MORON BUSH!

Dude, take you meds.

growinthings: So she made a poorly thought out remark, BIG DEAL. IT IS NOT AS IF SHE SENT US OFF TO WAR ABOUT A PACK OF LIES AND KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LIKE MORON BUSH!

Wow, b-bu-Bush'd in the Boobies.

Hitler!

I just wanted to get that out of the way.

growinthings: BIG DEAL. IT IS NOT AS IF SHE SENT US OFF TO WAR ABOUT A PACK OF LIES AND KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LIKE MORON BUSH!

Yeah, but she voted for that war.

But I was deeply dismayed and disturbed that my comment would be construed in a way that flies in the face of everything I stand for - and everything I am fighting for in this election.

The only thing you're fighting for is the Presidency, the only way you can have that is if Obama is assassinated. There's nothing to misconstrue here, crazy lady.

No, Mrs. Clinton, you can not take back what you said. No, Mrs. Clinton, I will not even consider forgiving you for your hope that something bad will happen to Obama so you can be nominated to be the Democratic candidate. You have stooped lower than I imagined you would and no... I could not, in good conscious, vote for you... for any elected position in any race.

"I am not unaware of the challenges or the odds of my securing the nomination -...."


but, given certain circumstances beyond my immediate control, those challenges can be "put to rest" and those odds can improve.

Wow.
She is being extraordinarily idiotic about this.

On the plus side we don't have to hear anymore silly talk about her becoming VP.

"You know I'd *never* wish anything bad happen to my opponent, nor would I want *anyone* in South Dakota to even *consider* the huge savings offered at Wilson's Pistol & Rifle Store in convenient nearby Custer, South Dakota..."

JohnnyC: in good conscious

Irie, mon.

I pointed out, as I have before, that both my husband's primary campaign, and Sen. Robert Kennedy's, had continued into June.

Robert Kennedy's primaries also started in March, not January.

bargled: But I was deeply dismayed and disturbed that my comment would be construed in a way

It's called a Freudian slip, or parapraxis, and since Gary Hart and others much more recent than Bobby K had campaigns in June, there's a reason she went right to the assassination comment and used that word. Even if she had Kennedy on the mind, she could have said "We remember Bobby was still running in June" without adding the other word.

But this was most likely an unintentional remark, and her desire to see Obama offed, while a real desire, is probably truthfully not a conscious desire. But, oh yeah, she wants it.

From here: "It is important to note that these slips are semi-conscious. This is to say that these thoughts are consciously repressed and then unconsciously released."

"I am running because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party."

And there, in a nutshell, is the problem. She believes the exact opposite of reality.

The funny thing is, her analogy is not only immoral but is flawed.

Hubert Humphrey, RFK's replacement, lost the election in 1968 to Nixon.

So I guess she's saying if Obama can disappear, she can run a fractious and unsuccessful campaign and lose.

Clintonian logic. I guess it all depends on what your definition of "win" is.

The Clintons will do and say anything to attain power.

Irregardless: The Clintons will do and say anything to attain power.

Well sure but they used to be a whole lot better at it. It seems like everything out of their mouths for the last 3 months has been calculated to make them lose. I don't expect them to be sincere but I do expect them to be politically expedient.

Dissing the entire black community, whose support they spent years cultivating, was just plain stupid. I'm really stunned by how ham-fisted they have been of late.

I wish I could bottle and sell her arrogance.

Olbermann had some quotes which showed she made this same "assassination" mistake earlier in the campaign, which the media kind of ignored, then stopped making the mistake, then went back to it recently, which is when the media blew up over it.

Honestly, I think the media, and the American people, want the real race to start, and they see her as being in the way. So, they'll jump on any issue to speed up that process. If she had just left gracefully after WV, she'd still be in good standing.

If she does take it to the convention, and costs Obama the presidency, I don't think there is a way she can spin that into a nomination in 2012. Even from a Machiavellian political strategy standpoint, her thinking is delusional.

Reggaenomics: i234.photobucket.com

Excellent.

I was waiting for that image to appear.

Etchy333: So, they'll jump on any issue to speed up that process.

I agree to some extant except that it cannot be overstated how offensive this comment is to blacks and/or anyone who has worked to overcome racial tensions in the US.

Its kind of like if Obama had said publicly that Hillary could easily lose the GE because Bill might not be able to keep his dick in his pants.

Reggaenomics

Nicely done!

Hillary has several possibilities to get the nomination.

Sure, Obama being struck by a meteorite is rather unlikely, but combined with the trailer in tornado alley, a ticket to Sichuan, China, and the Steve Irwin Memorial Manta Ray Tour, there is still a chance.

/Don't play golf in a thunderstorm, Obama, that's all I'm saying.
//Hang-gliding is right out.

Etchy333: If she does take it to the convention, and costs Obama the presidency, I don't think there is a way she can spin that into a nomination in 2012.

Even if she were to quit today, she'll be lucky to retain her seat in the Senate, let alone run for higher office again.

There's no way big donors will finance her in any kind of political run, nor will she attract the same kind of power-brokers she did for this election. I see her working with some Wall Street firm after her term ends.

Snarfangel: Sure, Obama being struck by a meteorite is rather unlikely, but combined with the trailer in tornado alley, a ticket to Sichuan, China, and the Steve Irwin Memorial Manta Ray Tour, there is still a chance.

Mantas don't have tail spines.

FredaDeStilleto: Etchy333: If she does take it to the convention, and costs Obama the presidency, I don't think there is a way she can spin that into a nomination in 2012.

Even if she were to quit today, she'll be lucky to retain her seat in the Senate, let alone run for higher office again.

There's no way big donors will finance her in any kind of political run, nor will she attract the same kind of power-brokers she did for this election. I see her working with some Wall Street firm after her term ends.

When is she up for re-election in the Senate? 2010? It'll be interesting to see if she gets strong opposition in the New York primary.

I don't buy the "Clinton is trying to torpedo Obama so that she can say 'I told you so' and run in 2012" argument, because I think that if that happens, she'll take the blame, and she'll never run, and possibly even end up losing her Senate seat. But she can't seem to get out of this corner she's painted herself into.

she was just saying that you never know when an unfortunate accident might happen

FredaDeStilleto: There's no way big donors will finance her in any kind of political run, nor will she attract the same kind of power-brokers she did for this election. I see her working with at some Walmart l Street firm after her term ends.

:)

Skleenar: Mantas don't have tail spines.

That'll teach me to go by memory. :)

jake_lex: When is she up for re-election in the Senate? 2010? It'll be interesting to see if she gets strong opposition in the New York primary.

2013 - I just read an article somewhere about how she is going to need to make amends with the black community if she wants to keep her seat. Also that any insinuation that she might run as gov. against Paterson would be viewed very poorly.

Have you read the rants of the Hillaryis44 freaks? Truly insane.

I read that whole thing and all I could think was:

"Hi, this is Sal Governale..."



/obscure?

Note that she is still refusing to apologize to Obama or his family. Class act, there. Huckabee called and apologized. Obama did over "sweetie". Hillary? Hah!

1968 was a dumb comparison. Only 13 states held primaries, and they didn't choose the majority of delegates even in those states. Humphrey didn't even bother running in them. Things ran to the convention and the smoke-filled room back then. No matter how much Hillary is dreaming of riots and snipers and channeling the ghost of Nixon, it's not 1968.

1992 was also a bad example. Bill had the nomination locked in March when Tsongas dropped out. She was helping vet VP candidates by May of 1992, so she ought to have known.

The more pertinent examples were Carter v Kennedy in 1980, Ford v Reagan in 1976, or Mondale v Hart in 1984. Of course, in each of those instances, it would have been far better for the party for the clear loser to drop out.

I was getting a kick out of reading the comments some of the readers made on the article. How Obama was having a hard time getting the White Male Vote. I find that amazing since Im a WM who didnt finish college and I make less than 26K a year, yet I had no problem voting for him in Alabama's primary. My brother, who is one of the biggest conservatives I know is now a registered Democrat in MS. because of Obama and he didnt even finish high school. Last time I checked Obama won our two states hands down. / Joke going around AL before our primary.... The only way Obama is going to win Alabama is if he puts a G before his last name. GO BAMA!

I am running for all those women in their 90s who've told me they were born before women could vote, and they want to live to see a woman in the White House.

That's a huge chunk of the demographic right there. I wonder what would have happened if Obama said "I am running for all those black people who've told me they want to see a black man in the White House."

FredaDeStilleto: There's no way big donors will finance her in any kind of political run, nor will she attract the same kind of power-brokers she did for this election. I see her working with some Wall Street firm after her term ends.

These people don't "work". They consult. Other idiots bring them in to tell them how to run their businesses, counties, juntas, whatever or to tell the unwashed masses how they would do everything better than (insert whomever is in power) ever could. And they make more money doing that than they ever would in politics. Look at Al Gore. People think he should be a Veep choice - and give up a few hundred million a year in salary? And have the media watch for every time you fart? Who would want that kind of asshattery in their life?

Hasn't it been established that the RFK comparison doesn't even make sense, given that the primary schedule was completely different at the time? Mainly, that California's enormous primary was withheld towards the end, back in RFK's day? How has Hillary addressed this, in efforts to keep her comparison relevant?... Well I am assuming, actually, that she hasn't.

So then, now I am led to think that, since the primary schedule differences renders her argument moot, that ONLY leaves the assassination point as a way for her to secure the nomination. There are no big states like California left... but if Obama were to go the way of RFK, then the comparison, all of a sudden, makes perfect sense.

So she can play plausible deniability, ignoring the scheduling facts which destroy her "innocent mis-speak" argument, all the while, putting out the idea that Obama may be assassinated to the voting public. Pretty devious, if you ask me.

Hagarblarghahababrlargh

drevil877: "I am running because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party."

And there, in a nutshell, is the problem. She believes the exact opposite of reality.

I dunno, that scenario could be real.

I can see a case for her staying in to unite the party... wouldn't want people to be able to find a storyline about mean ol' men forcing that long-suffering woman out. That would be the genuinely divisive outcome of this.

Let her finish her race, and make an inspiring speech at the convention to rally support around the nominee. There are people who really want to hear that, and hear it sounding sincere, before they get on board with the rest of the party.

After that speech, though, the party should cut her mike until after the general, because she really can't be trusted with one. Appoint her Secretary of Harridan Affairs or something if it helps.

Louder And More Dissonant: Let her finish her race, and make an inspiring speech at the convention to rally support around the nominee. There are people who really want to hear that, and hear it sounding sincere, before they get on board with the rest of the party.


Slight problem with that part...

followmeinfantry: I was getting a kick out of reading the comments some of the readers made on the article. How Obama was having a hard time getting the White Male Vote.

This also leaves out that Bill Clinton was behind Bush I in the White Male vote in 1992 (even ignoring Perot voters), and lost the White Male vote by 11 points (49-38) to Dole in 1996. Bill lost white votes in general 46-43 in 1996. Still managed to win.

cubsfan07: I read that whole thing and all I could think was:

"Hi, this is Sal Governale..."



/obscure?

LOL

"Unfortunately, I didn't represent myself properly on how I wanted to explain myself"

Nothing is obscure in FARK.

growinthings: So she made a poorly thought out remark, BIG DEAL. IT IS NOT AS IF SHE SENT US OFF TO WAR ABOUT A PACK OF LIES AND KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LIKE MORON BUSH!

B-b-b-b-b-but Bush

Chuck D for VP!!!

In 1992 Bill went into it believing he COULD win, and was willing to do anything to make that happen. This year Hillary went in believing she WOULD win, and was willing to sit back and wait for it. Chances are if you can't get the job you're not the person for the job.

Louder And More Dissonant: I can see a case for her staying in to unite the party... wouldn't want people to be able to find a storyline about mean ol' men forcing that long-suffering woman out. That would be the genuinely divisive outcome of this.

I will never vote for someone with an ovipositor.

/Does that make me sexist?