submitter: Hops shortage worsens. Craft breweries may have to cut way back on production levels. EVERYBODY BEER SNOBS PANIC. No, seriously, EVERYBODY BEER SNOBS PANIC

FTFY

Let's get this out of the way, along with:

Budweiser taste like horse piss....
I only drink (insert overpriced imported beer name)....
American beer sucks....
I don't want to sound like a beer snob, but....
etc., etc. ....

Good thing I have my 20 gals of cider fermenting

/beer snob; cider snob

You can thank large agribusiness for getting more subsidies to grown corn for fuel, making the price of corn so high with taxpayer subsidy that the farmer pretty much had no option but to plant it instead of hops and barley.

take away the subsidy, and corn fuel isn't even cheap to use, and is more expensive to produce.

But some nitwit government decided it just had to do "something" so it jumped on this fake biofuel bandwagon.

And the niche of hops being available to small brewers just vanished as a result, a 20 year niche. Not really their fault either, in any way.

Generation_D: instead of hops and barley

Seeing as hops fields are full of telephone poles to support the plants as they grow, I don't think you'd get much use from it for corn land. Also, hops is a perennial plant--it comes back every year, and is grown from the rootstock of existing plants. And land suitable for barley isn't really much good for corn, either.

/But never fear, there will be no shortage here, my hops (Cascade variety) are growing well, I'll probably be able to harvest 7 or 8 pounds for my brewing activities.

Generation_D: You can thank large agribusiness for getting more subsidies to grown corn for fuel, making the price of corn so high with taxpayer subsidy that the farmer pretty much had no option but to plant it instead of hops and barley.

take away the subsidy, and corn fuel isn't even cheap to use, and is more expensive to produce.

But some nitwit government decided it just had to do "something" so it jumped on this fake biofuel bandwagon.

And the niche of hops being available to small brewers just vanished as a result, a 20 year niche. Not really their fault either, in any way.

To me, it would be one thing if corn was a good source for biofuels. But it's not. It's actually one of the least efficient out there. So it doesn't even make any sense looked at from an environmental standpoint.

Sounds like a good time to grow your own.

BillCo: Let's get this out of the way, along with:

Budweiser taste like horse piss....
I only drink (insert overpriced imported beer name)....
American beer sucks....
I don't want to sound like a beer snob, but....
etc., etc. ....

Sounds like you can't taste the difference anyway!

/you missed that one

pandabear: Generation_D: instead of hops and barley

Seeing as hops fields are full of telephone poles to support the plants as they grow, I don't think you'd get much use from it for corn land. Also, hops is a perennial plant--it comes back every year, and is grown from the rootstock of existing plants. And land suitable for barley isn't really much good for corn, either.

/But never fear, there will be no shortage here, my hops (Cascade variety) are growing well, I'll probably be able to harvest 7 or 8 pounds for my brewing activities.

You grow your own hops?

I kneel before Zod.

When did Kraft start making beer and why are they the only ones that have to cut back?

jake_lex: Generation_D: You can thank large agribusiness for getting more subsidies to grown corn for fuel, making the price of corn so high with taxpayer subsidy that the farmer pretty much had no option but to plant it instead of hops and barley.

take away the subsidy, and corn fuel isn't even cheap to use, and is more expensive to produce.

But some nitwit government decided it just had to do "something" so it jumped on this fake biofuel bandwagon.

And the niche of hops being available to small brewers just vanished as a result, a 20 year niche. Not really their fault either, in any way.

To me, it would be one thing if corn was a good source for biofuels. But it's not. It's actually one of the least efficient out there. So it doesn't even make any sense looked at from an environmental standpoint.

Corn may not be efficient for ethanol but its better than shelling out cash for Beaner sugar down in Cuba. Or do you think that's a good thing, comrade?

/I keed
//f'n corn lobby

pandabear: my hops (Cascade variety) are growing well, I'll probably be able to harvest 7 or 8 pounds for my brewing activities.

Mine- 4 Cascade rhizomes planted a month or so ago- are almost waist high now, and grow an inch or more a day... We're working on building a big-ass trellis for them.

I will help next year. I have 60 acres that I have to use for agriculture. I think it would be profitable at this point. Would take two years to begin producing in quanity.

I wonder if we will start seeing more brewers using styles that predate the introduction of hops.

/the church made them do it
//brewers droop ftl

Generation_D 2008-05-25 10:33:47 AM
You can thank large agribusiness for getting more subsidies to grown corn for fuel, making the price of corn so high with taxpayer subsidy that the farmer pretty much had no option but to plant it instead of hops and barley.

Yes, corn ethanol is silly. But RTFA before you spout off nonsense. The current hop shortage is a result of a surplus 10 years ago. These articles show up every few weeks on here and always say the same thing.

BillCo: Let's get this out of the way, along with:

Budweiser taste like horse piss....
I only drink (insert overpriced imported beer name)....
American beer sucks....
I don't want to sound like a beer snob, but....
etc., etc. ....


You didn't include my excuse-I don't drink.
/Panicking anyway.....

Tell me Klondike bars are in short supply and then I'll panic.

Did anyone mention yet that your beer sucks?

I blame all them bastards that feel they need to put a pound or two of hops in a batch. Jeezuz, I don't want my beer to taste like a damn pine cone. Lay off the hops a bit.

I guess I should define "batch" as a 5.5 gallon batch

fenrael23: I blame all them bastards that feel they need to put a pound or two of hops in a batch. Jeezuz, I don't want my beer to taste like a damn pine cone. Lay off the hops a bit.

How about the guys who pack a water filter with hops then strain their beer through it WHEN THEY SERVE IT?

Mass produced American beer DOES take like piss. Sam Adams is wonderful stuff however.

Also, the variety and flavor that American micro-breweries are producing now far surpasses the stuff Europe puts out. Don't get me wrong, Europe makes excellent beers but FINALLY America is rivaling them and in many ways surpassing our European cousins.

EVERYONE PANIC! if for real! The rising prices of quality beer is an axe over everyones head. Even you piss-drinking domestic drinkers.

/3 years in a liquor store
//knows more than you
///Pray for Mojo

Has anyone tried brewing beer with skips and jumps?

DayBreakBoys17: Mass produced American beer DOES take like piss. Sam Adams is wonderful stuff however.

Also, the variety and flavor that American micro-breweries are producing now far surpasses the stuff Europe puts out. Don't get me wrong, Europe makes excellent beers but FINALLY America is rivaling them and in many ways surpassing our European cousins.

EVERYONE PANIC! if for real! The rising prices of quality beer is an axe over everyones head. Even you piss-drinking domestic drinkers.

/3 years in a liquor store
//knows more than you
///Pray for Mojo


How would you know what piss tastes like?

ready for the impending beer wars

Dear God NOOOO! Wort will we do????

i am panickin.

i shall grow my own.

/leaving to have my growlers filled in 26 minutes

This is why i took a cue from the homeless and just drink mouthwash. And damn does my breath smell good!

/Ladies? Interested?

oldebayer: Has anyone tried brewing beer with skips and jumps?

I tried it but it was hard to bottle.

colon_pow: i am panickin.

i shall grow my own.

/leaving to have my growlers filled in 26 minutes

Is there such a thing as a home-brew douche?

/I keed.

TheShavingofOccam123: How about the guys who pack a water filter with hops then strain their beer through it WHEN THEY SERVE IT?

That sounds delicious!

Kiliana: TheShavingofOccam123: How about the guys who pack a water filter with hops then strain their beer through it WHEN THEY SERVE IT?

That sounds delicious ridiculous!

fixed

Growing your own hops isn't even that expensive, I know I'm doing my part
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If I had been smart I should have planted some when I first heard this. I home brew but been offline for a while because a roommate that will not leave. That will change soon, thank god, so production will start soon!!!

TheShavingofOccam123: fenrael23: I blame all them bastards that feel they need to put a pound or two of hops in a batch. Jeezuz, I don't want my beer to taste like a damn pine cone. Lay off the hops a bit.

How about the guys who pack a water filter with hops then strain their beer through it WHEN THEY SERVE IT?

OH YEAH!!!! GOOD STUFF BABY

100 + Miller Lights a week for the last ten years. Gas prices don't bother me, but beer might.

Norad: BEER SNOBS PANIC. BEER SNOBS PANIC

FTFY

Do you actually know ANYthing about beer? Even crappy beers use hops.

I'm no snob, but I like beers with a lot of hops. It's a matter of personal preference. Not many people like the beers I like, and that's just fine. It's the reason they brew different beers.

What I do have a problem with is beer ignoramuses. "Only this is good" or "If you like that you're stupid"

Weizenbier is a perfect example. I can't stand the stuff, but if you like it, fine.

I draw the line at Budweiser. Read the label: "brewed with the finest RICE." If you honestly like Bud, I will accuse you of having an uneducated palate, and being a sheep who drinks what you are told to by advertisements.

My beer of choice in the US? Natural Ice. Hardly a snobby beer, but the best (or I might say: least offensive) of the mass-produced domestics.

Here in Dubai:



$3.19/6

I've been thinking about growing hops for some time now.

What kind of soil do you growers think is best for hops? About how much space would each plant need?

But what then will all the microbrews use to hide their crappy flavor.

After seeing a bunch of people really screw themselves up (serious brain damage ect) with alcohol i gave it up.

I drink maybe 4 beers a year now.

Pot is so much less harmful it's not even close.

ElwoodPDowd: I've been thinking about growing hops for some time now.

What kind of soil do you growers think is best for hops? About how much space would each plant need?

It depends on the type of beer you are brewing. I brew a traditional bitter so I don't really use a lot of hops and they aren't exotic types.

Dubai Vol: Norad: BEER SNOBS PANIC. BEER SNOBS PANIC

FTFY

Do you actually know ANYthing about beer? Even crappy beers use hops.

I'm no snob, but I like beers with a lot of hops. It's a matter of personal preference. Not many people like the beers I like, and that's just fine. It's the reason they brew different beers.

What I do have a problem with is beer ignoramuses. "Only this is good" or "If you like that you're stupid"

Weizenbier is a perfect example. I can't stand the stuff, but if you like it, fine.

I draw the line at Budweiser. Read the label: "brewed with the finest RICE." If you honestly like Bud, I will accuse you of having an uneducated palate, and being a sheep who drinks what you are told to by advertisements.

My beer of choice in the US? Natural Ice. Hardly a snobby beer, but the best (or I might say: least offensive) of the mass-produced domestics.

Here in Dubai:



$3.19/6



My grandpa loves NAtural Ice. I was over there the other day and it was pretty good. 5.9 too. It'll get you drunk!

TheShavingofOccam123: colon_pow: i am panickin.

i shall grow my own.

/leaving to have my growlers filled in 26 minutes

Is there such a thing as a home-brew douche?

/I keed.

all the comments here and I get to be called a douche.

oh that reminds me, here's a joke.

guy at the bar tells the bartender he wants to by that douchebag over there a drink.

bartender askes the lady what she would like.

i'll have a vinegar and water


/my 26 minutes is almost up

fenrael23: Kiliana: TheShavingofOccam123: How about the guys who pack a water filter with hops then strain their beer through it WHEN THEY SERVE IT?

That sounds delicious ridiculous!

fixed


No, no. You meant ridiculously delicious.

I'm well aware that my tastes aren't "normal" even for the beer snob crowd. I really, really do enjoy an admittedly ridiculous amount of hopping in my beer.

Bob16: Pot is so much less harmful it's not even close.

The worst side-effect of pot is the chance of being arrested.

In Dubai: 4 years for simple possession, life for distribution. Kinda puts a damper on it.

pandabear: /But never fear, there will be no shortage here, my hops (Cascade variety) are growing well, I'll probably be able to harvest 7 or 8 pounds for my brewing activities.

Agreed. Considering how easy it is to grow. Maybe it's time to track down a root section of my own....

bingo the psych-o: You grow your own hops?

If only I had enough acreage for barley...

BooBoo23: Mine- 4 Cascade rhizomes planted a month or so ago- are almost waist high now, and grow an inch or more a day... We're working on building a big-ass trellis for them.

Mine have been established for seven or eight years. They are up to the second floor of the house. If you have them close to a building, all you need is a screw eye in the fascia board above them. Mine grow up a heavy piece of twine per vine.

Cut back to one or two vines per piece of rhizome you put in. Make the plants put their effort into hops cones and roots. Next year you will be amazed at how many sprouts you'll have to kill.

/And I've still got two or three pounds from last year's harvest in the freezer! And about two-thirds of a fifty-pound sack of Canadian two-row. And four 1.5 Kg cans of Munton's Extra Light. What beer shortage?

EVERYBODY PANIC. No, seriously, EVERYBODY PANIC

Relax, man. Just sit down and have a frosty brew.

...

NOOOOOOO!!!!