Government spending out of control.

And it is made of recyclable metals that are in strong demand. Swords to plowshares time!

I've also heard that there is a gay bar on deck two, in the aft.

/heh. aft.

m0llusk: Swords to plowshares time!

Do we really want to remove it from the game, though?

eqtworld: hot Navy chick

oxymoron

Kome: m0llusk: Swords to plowshares time!

Do we really want to remove it from the game, though?

At this point it has 0 power, so no prob.

This is a group of individuals in Wilmington, N.C. interested in trying to put the Kitty Hawk on display. It's unlikely they will submit a successful bid to the Navy, however.

UNC_Samurai: This there is a group of individuals in Wilmington, N.C. interested in trying to put the Kitty Hawk on display.

Sorry for the post flood, but I should check my typing.

UNC_Samurai: This is a group of individuals in Wilmington, N.C. interested in trying to put the Kitty Hawk on display. It's unlikely they will submit a successful bid to the Navy, however.

For all the money we spend on "defense", you'd think they could afford to turn all the stuff we buy into something actually marginally useful to the American people when they're done with it. Heck, you'd think they'd jump at the chance to grab a whole bunch of good PR. Remember, the military depends on popular support to get both its funding and- at least for now- its recruits and officers.

/nothing against the military
//not any one in uniform's fault we have a ridiculously oversized military and imperialist foreign policy

Churchill2004: UNC_Samurai: This is a group of individuals in Wilmington, N.C. interested in trying to put the Kitty Hawk on display. It's unlikely they will submit a successful bid to the Navy, however.

For all the money we spend on "defense", you'd think they could afford to turn all the stuff we buy into something actually marginally useful to the American people when they're done with it. Heck, you'd think they'd jump at the chance to grab a whole bunch of good PR. Remember, the military depends on popular support to get both its funding and- at least for now- its recruits and officers.

/nothing against the military
//not any one in uniform's fault we have a ridiculously oversized military and imperialist foreign policy

I think a M1A1 Abrams tank would be marginally useful.

and sex-crazed sailors

Caturday? Or Kittyhawkday.

UNC_Samurai: Kome: m0llusk: Swords to plowshares time!

Do we really want to remove it from the game, though?

At this point it has 0 power, so no prob.

But then we won't gain any life points.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will end up plowing for those who did not - Various

Churchill2004: For all the money we spend on "defense", you'd think they could afford to turn all the stuff we buy into something actually marginally useful to the American people when they're done with it.

The Navy launched the Kitty Hawk in 1961, and it's been on active duty since. Compare that to the fast battleships in Wilmington, Fall River, and Mobile - they were in operation less than a decade. I think they got their money's worth out of it.

Kitty Hawk nicknames include "Miss Kitty," "Battlecat" and "Chicken Hawk."

They conveniently left out the more popular "Sh*tty Kitty."

...escalators...that is so 19th Centruy 'Welcome to the FUTURE!!!!'

Tubes is where it's at.

WTF is a 'Centruy'?

/carp

UNC_Samurai: Churchill2004: For all the money we spend on "defense", you'd think they could afford to turn all the stuff we buy into something actually marginally useful to the American people when they're done with it.

The Navy launched the Kitty Hawk in 1961, and it's been on active duty since. Compare that to the fast battleships in Wilmington, Fall River, and Mobile - they were in operation less than a decade. I think they got their money's worth out of it.

Really, the Kitty Hawk is still in service because Japan won't let a nuke-powered ship into their waters. The 7th needs a carrier, and its just cheaper to keep this in service than to retrofit something newer to run on diesel.

/wife was stationed in Yokosuka, home of the Kitty Hawk
//got to spend her 21st birthday in Hong Kong because of it
///and she looks damn good in lingerie

timmy_the_tooth: Government spending out of control.

Genius.

UNC_Samurai: I think they got their money's worth out of it

I don't doubt that they did. Did we?

When we took newbies out to carriers for their first time, we would tell them that the ships were so big that the Navy had installed a bowling alley for crew recreation. We would then snicker when they started asking crewmen were the bowling alley was.

Another cool story that went around is when the USS America was built, there was a mistake in the blueprints that didn't provide for any doorways to be built into one of the machine shops. So, they installed a complete machineshop, drill presses and all, and welded shut the walls around it.

A year or so later, when the ship was in service, some crewmen figure out that there a a big unaccounted for space they were walking around and around, but couldn't find a way in. So they got a cutting torch and cut an access hole. Lo and behold, they found a complete workshop, with a big sign saying, "Merry Christmas!"

/Working for the Military-Industrial Complex is teh cool

mark12A: A year or so later, when the ship was in service, some crewmen figure out that there a a big unaccounted for space they were walking around and around, but couldn't find a way in. So they got a cutting torch and cut an access hole. Lo and behold, they found a complete workshop, with a big sign saying, "Merry Christmas!"

/Working for the Military-Industrial Complex is teh cool

Funny story.

I have no animosity towards any individuals working for the government doing things I don't think the government should be doing, with a few exceptions. Simple fact is that with 1/3+ of the GDP being spent by Congress, a lot of people are going to have to work for the government or we'd have mass unemployment.

McJihad: Really, the Kitty Hawk is still in service because Japan won't let a nuke-powered ship into their waters. The 7th needs a carrier, and its just cheaper to keep this in service than to retrofit something newer to run on diesel.

The George Washington (73) is slated to replace it later this year; I guess the Japanese changed their minds.

When I was on board the USS Constellation in '67, we relieved the Kitty Hawk in the Gulf of Tonkin. A lot of aircraft parts were shipped over,marked: to Connie; from Kitty. We all called her either Kitty or "Pussy Bird".

Kyoowashugi: McJihad: Really, the Kitty Hawk is still in service because Japan won't let a nuke-powered ship into their waters. The 7th needs a carrier, and its just cheaper to keep this in service than to retrofit something newer to run on diesel.

The George Washington (73) is slated to replace it later this year; I guess the Japanese changed their minds.

Japan is real big on nuclear power.

The issue isn't nuclear power, it's nuclear bombs. That's what they have a problem with, which is understandable given their history. That doesn't stop nuke-carrying Navy ships from entering Japan, though. It just leads to some official discomfort and a de facto official policy of "don't ask, don't tell".

Aka "the Whyyyyyy emmm seee A!.

ta tara tara tara Whyyyyyy emmm seee A!."

/Why yes, I am drinking

Churchill2004:

I have no animosity towards any individuals working for the government doing things I don't think the government should be doing, with a few exceptions. Simple fact is that with 1/3+ of the GDP being spent by Congress, a lot of people are going to have to work for the government or we'd have mass unemployment.

Well, just because we never fought WWIII doesn't mean it wasn't useful. By the same token, insurance is useless if you haven't been sick yet.

Personally, I would rather have a whole mass of people working for the government than a whole mass of people unemployed and getting paid by the government anyway.

I respect your opinion - might is just different than yours. As in most things, reality is probably someplace in the middle.

Uncorrect: Well, just because we never fought WWIII doesn't mean it wasn't useful

Even the highly debatable Cold War-era threat of "WWII" ended almost two decades ago.

Uncorrect: By the same token, insurance is useless if you haven't been sick yet

I've never seen an insurance that makes me more likely to get sick.

Uncorrect: Personally, I would rather have a whole mass of people working for the government than a whole mass of people unemployed and getting paid by the government anyway

You missed the point- those are the only two choices because the government spends so much of the GDP. With 1/3rd (probably more) of the GDP going through Congress, there simply isn't enough money left in the private sector to employ everyone.

And I include things like defense contractors who exist on government contracts to be among the "government-employed" in that equation.

or "WWIII"

/I've heard "IV", too.

Nope - didn't miss the point and I understand what you're saying. I just have a different opinion on the matter.

timmy_the_tooth: Government spending out of control.

You realize these things are the size of a farking town, right?

SphericalTime: I've also heard that there is a gay bar on deck two, in the aft.

*giggle*

thalidomide new and improved: SphericalTime: I've also heard that there is a gay bar on deck two, in the aft.

*giggle*

I'd tap that porthole.

My son served aboard the Shiatty Kitty for years and loved it.

Churchill2004: For all the money we spend on "defense", you'd think they could afford to turn all the stuff we buy into something actually marginally useful to the American people when they're done with it. Heck, you'd think they'd jump at the chance to grab a whole bunch of good PR. Remember, the military depends on popular support to get both its funding and- at least for now- its recruits and officers.

We could probably sell the Kitty Hawk to another country for quite a bit of coin. Even now, its better than China's shiatty AC Carriers.

Taiwan would be a great person to sell it to, but we won't. Why?

Simple. If we sold off all of our old military hardware, and we have a lot of it....

Tucson Bone Yard




If we sold off all these old F-4's, F-14's, B-52's



We could make billions. That doesn't even count munitions. There are plenty of buyers. But all of the defense contractors would flip shiat. We'd effectively put them out of business, and we cannot have that.

My Dad helped with the installation of ASCAC on that ship for anti-sub warfare back in the early 70s.

I'll be damned. Stars and Stripes isn't blocked by China's Great Firewall.

Is Stars and Stripes a military propaganda newspaper? How independent of military control are their reporters?

OK, so I read the article, which was somehow less interesting than it could have been, but oh well. I was actually expecting to read something about a women's lingerie store in there, given that there are female sailors stationed on these things for months at a time, and one would presume they'd need underwear.

So, how DOES that work? I presume that the sea store would sell such things (carriers DO have sea stores, right?) but would they only sell them to female crew? Or does 'don't ask don't tell' apply to the cash register too? Or maybe the sailors are just really lonely and a long way from a port?

/things I think about when the kids are sick...

The Yorktown (CV 10) also has an escalator.

/yawn

timmy_the_tooth
eqtworld: hot Navy chick

oxymoron

Agreed

/go Airforce usually medical side
//oh man!!!

nuclear_asshat:
We could probably sell the Kitty Hawk to another country for quite a bit of coin. Even now, its better than China's shiatty AC Carriers.

Taiwan would be a great person to sell it to, but we won't. Why?

Simple. If we sold off all of our old military hardware, and we have a lot of it....

Tucson Bone Yard
If we sold off all these old F-4's, F-14's, B-52's

We could make billions. That doesn't even count munitions. There are plenty of buyers. But all of the defense contractors would flip shiat. We'd effectively put them out of business, and we cannot have that.

That and plenty of the most willing buyers for a lot of our stuff are the last people we'd want to have the damn things. We're talking about selling equipment generally designed expressly to kill people. You sell it to the wrong person and they may well...kill some people.

Kome: m0llusk: Swords to plowshares time!

Do we really want to remove it from the game, though?

Welcome to my friends list!

Kitty Hawk did six tours in Vietnam between 1963 and 1976 and was the first aircraft carrier ever to be awarded a Presidential Unit Citation. The award, the unit equivalent of the Navy Cross, was presented by President Lyndon B. Johnson on Dec. 20, 1968, to the ship and Carrier Air Wing 11.

Heh. Did the mighty North Vietnamese navy and air force cause much trouble?

mark12A: Another cool story that went around is when the USS America was built, there was a mistake in the blueprints that didn't provide for any doorways to be built into one of the machine shops. So, they installed a complete machineshop, drill presses and all, and welded shut the walls around it.

A year or so later, when the ship was in service, some crewmen figure out that there a a big unaccounted for space they were walking around and around, but couldn't find a way in. So they got a cutting torch and cut an access hole. Lo and behold, they found a complete workshop, with a big sign saying, "Merry Christmas!"

/Working for the Military-Industrial Complex is teh cool

I heard the exact same story, except it was the USS Enterprise.

hags: When I was on board the USS Constellation in '67, we relieved the Kitty Hawk in the Gulf of Tonkin. A lot of aircraft parts were shipped over,marked: to Connie; from Kitty. We all called her either Kitty or "Pussy Bird".

21 years later...I did the same thing in the Indian Ocean. Small Carrier compared to the Connie.

Not to threadjack but is anyone watching the documentary series "Carrier"? The episode with the night landings on a pitching deck were really intense.

/Off to PBS.org to watch more.

Barakku: That and plenty of the most willing buyers for a lot of our stuff are the last people we'd want to have the damn things

Taiwan? India? Brazil? There are plenty of potential customers willing to buy discount used carriers. The British did it with several of their WWII surplus carriers.

You don't have to sell them to any willing buyer, but the simple fact is that most willing buyers aren't enemies of the US.

eqtworld: I, for one, hope people post photos of hot Navy chicks in lingerie.

If Navy women are like Army women, DO NOT WANT

Pentaxian: Not to threadjack but is anyone watching the documentary series "Carrier"? The episode with the night landings on a pitching deck were really intense.

/Off to PBS.org to watch more.

Seen a few episodes, nothing like trying to land $30 odd million worth of aircraft on a moving target.