Statement, retreat.

Statement, retreat.

It's sickening, whoever uses this strategy.

Was this Hillary's way of asking some white power group to do her dirty work for her?

/I'm operating under the assumption that she always has a plan.

With the crosshair squarely over Hillary's campaign, and the final clicks of the primary season nearly over, the hopes of a female president are shot down in a final, sad display of character assassination.

/gobama

I wonder if her supporters have gotten sick of her crap yet?

For me it started with her attempted "Whitewatering" of Obama and virtually every week her campaign just seems to get crazier and crazier.

Can I hear from one, just ONE Hillary supporter who can justify their support still?

She just called for the assassination of her opponent, how can you support that?

Her inner monologue got broadcast for all of 5 seconds. In my mind, this is not nearly as egregious has her snipers in Bosnia story.

Honestly, I have to problem with her referencing RFK, my real problem is that I don't quite understand what point she was trying to make by raising the Kennedy assassination. It really doesn't help her argument to stay in the race at all.

gruntmints: I don't quite understand what point she was trying to make by raising the Kennedy assassination.

"Obama could get assassinated in June therefore I'm not dropping out, in case that happens."

67 Beetle: Her inner monologue got broadcast for all of 5 seconds. In my mind, this is not nearly as egregious has her snipers in Bosnia story.

Exactly.

If you're going to turn a race into a contest of picking out bad, out of context statements to use as sound bytes, you should probably watch what you say. I mean, I don't think this statement is worthy of the controversy, but that's the kind of race she's turned this into. She's made the bed, now she has to lie in it.

67 Beetle: Her inner monologue got broadcast for all of 5 seconds. In my mind, this is not nearly as egregious has her snipers in Bosnia story.

Lying about snipers in Bosnia is nothing compared to saying that the reason you're sticking it out til the end is that maybe, just maybe, your opponent will get shot.

She can't admit how terribly wrong it was, even tries to turn it into 'the Kennedys have been so much on my mind' piousness. Sorry but that's just crap. She slipped up, made a big mess out of it, then apologised with no grace or dignity.

I doubt she wants anyone assassinated, but honestly, the stench of desperation is reeking all the way over here in Oz. Give it up, woman. It's starting to be a bit of a train wreck to watch.

Oh well, guess less Britney threads with Hillary hogging the dire limelight....

/ no slashies, it's late, too tired

gruntmints: Honestly, I have to problem with her referencing RFK, my real problem is that I don't quite understand what point she was trying to make by raising the Kennedy assassination. It really doesn't help her argument to stay in the race at all.

People get hurt, you know. It would be a shame if something shoulda happen to Obama.

seminole87: Shut your whore mouth when men are talking!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Did you just make that up?

I am glad to see that many of you farkers have finally seen what some of us knew about her all along.

She's going to Vince Foster (along with hundreds of other Bill Clinton Associates) his ass!

Without the A-word tic, political Tourette's that will go down with SNIPERS! and MACACA!, her comments made no sense.

In 1992, Bill had the nomination wrapped up by early April. A few big primaries (California) were left in June, but Tsongas had suspended his candidacy and Jerry Brown, the only candidate still running, was tilting at windmills. Bill and Hillary were measuring drapes and vetting VP picks by May.

In 1968, *only 13 states* held primaries. McCarthy won the Dem primaries and Ronald Wilson Reagan won the GOP primaries. Neither became the nominee. The "smoke-filled room" was still pre-eminent, so no shock someone was running to the convention. Everyone ran to the convention.

The most apt comparison to her current state of affairs is Ted Kennedy taking it to the floor of the convention in 1980 while far behind Carter. Of course, that party-splitting gambit is often given part of the credit for the phrase "Reagan Democrat".

This is a molehill controversy. Unless she actually says the words "I hope somebody 'takes out' Obama", nobody among Hillary supporters or undecided apathetic voters will care about all this brou-ha-ha.

I'm an Obama supporter, but even I realize this is a manufactured outrage.

Lawnchair: that party-splitting gambit is often given part of the credit for the phrase "Reagan Democrat".

Sweet! "McCain Democrats."

UGH

Can we just get a temporary Hillary tag?

Nemo's Brother: She's going to Vince Foster (along with hundreds of other Bill Clinton Associates) his ass!

She's doing enough real damage that there's no need to spread lies anymore.

Nemo's Brother: gruntmints: Honestly, I have to problem with her referencing RFK, my real problem is that I don't quite understand what point she was trying to make by raising the Kennedy assassination. It really doesn't help her argument to stay in the race at all.

People get hurt, you know. It would be a shame if something shoulda happen to Obama.



'ow many candidates you got in this 'ere race? Be a shame if someone set fire to one o' dem. . .

Hillary has to know that sort of comment is not going to endear her to the voters in all 57 states.

She never "apologized". It's not part of her character.

What really surprises me is that RFK's son, in a statement afterwords, still indicated his support for her.

How effed up is that?

Reggaenomics: "Lying about snipers in Bosnia is nothing compared to saying that the reason you're sticking it out til the end is that maybe, just maybe, your opponent will get shot."

I see it more as the difference between intentionally fabricating events and not really giving full consideration to what she is saying.

Kharma, baby. It's a law of nature. If you treat people like shiat on the way up you shouldn't be surprised at the reception awaiting you on the way down.

miked1883: I am glad to see that many of you farkers have finally seen what some of us knew about her all along.

We always knew that her and her husband were politician's politicians. We honestly didn't know that she was 100% certifiably batshiat insane.

The desperation surrounding Hillary nowadays is palpable and saddening. A year ago, Bill Clinton was a moderately decent former president and elder Democratic statesman. Hillary was a political mover and had a decent shot at being the first female president. Now, he's a lout who doesn't know when to shut up and opens with low blows at the bell, and she's an incessant shrew who has divorced herself from reality. What's wrong with these people? They had ample opportunities to avoid this path or salvage this disaster. They just keep chugging along toward utter failure as hard as they possibly can.

I'm not outraged, but rather surprised by the stupidity of her comments. Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that the Clinton team launched a negative campaign on Obama's supposed "inability" to speak in public? This woman now scares me.

1) Completely exaggerated the events in Bosnia. Numerous times.
2) Uses a tragic event as a comedic tool to justify staying in the race
2a) Although highly doubtful, the mere thought of this being a back door call to action should have offended/worried Obama

What if she made these vocal mistakes as Commander in Chief?

Occam's Chainsaw: What's wrong with these people? They had ample opportunities to avoid this path or salvage this disaster.

I think they honestly thought that nothing would stand in their way, and when faced with a legitimate competitor, rather than rising to the challenge, they took it as a personal affront.

Apologizing to the Kennedys was a start. How about a direct apology to Michelle, Malia, and Sasha Obama?

timmy_the_tooth: gruntmints: I don't quite understand what point she was trying to make by raising the Kennedy assassination.

"Obama could get assassinated in June therefore I'm not dropping out, in case that happens."

It isn't really as if that argument makes a whole lot of sense anyways. Pretend she had dropped out last week, and Obama is assassinated or somehow rendered unable to continue his bid in June as Mrs. Clinton suggests. Who here really thinks the DNC would then say Edwards was their man for the job?

aimtastic: Occam's Chainsaw: What's wrong with these people? They had ample opportunities to avoid this path or salvage this disaster.

I think they honestly thought that nothing would stand in their way, and when faced with a legitimate competitor, rather than rising to the challenge, they took it as a personal affront.

I don't think that Hilary knows how to deal with criticism (political, not personal). New York, generally, loves her. She had a relatively easy time securing her seat on the Senate. For the most part, she's done a good job for the state.

Out of everyone, Hilary was the leading woman to be president. After recent events, I think she's killed any chance she has to win in 08, or any other race in the near future. She should have either continued business as usual, or bowed out gracefully and backed Obama. Now, I wouldn't even want her as the VP. Her comments frighten me. Not what she's saying, but the inaccuracy and inappropriateness of it. She cannot do this as president.

The Hillaryis44 folks are saying that the MSM is making a mountain out of a molehill on this one, that it's just another example of them lynching (that's right, their word) Hillary and Bill.

I am not a Hillary supporter by any means, but so you honestly think she meant somebody might assassinate Obama, therefore she should stay in the race? I honestly think she meant that Kennedy was still campaigning in June, and everybody remembers it was in June because they remember the assassination, so that's why she chose that example. So why should she get out and it's only May? I think the error is in misleading people like there were no differences in the primary process that year compared to now, and also in stating the people in Obama's campaign have been trying to push her out.
Of all the stupid, lying, purely insane actions of her campaign, though, this is one where I would defend her and I can't believe this is the one that people are raising hell about.
Oh well, they got Capone on tax evasion, right?

RussianPooper: The Hillaryis44 folks are saying that the MSM is making a mountain out of a molehill on this one, that it's just another example of them lynching (that's right, their word) Hillary and Bill.

I went to that site exactly one time and read exactly one post, and then never went back for fear I'd get too pissed off and turn into a rampaging murderer. Or my house would explode from all the crazy. Or something.

Dear Hillary,

The official Campaign Exit Door is back, and to the left.

Best,

We The People

Nemo's Brother

As much as I despise that woman, I have trouble even she would make an argument like that

FuzzyNoNoseChimp: What if she made these vocal mistakes as Commander in Chief?

Hillary, 2010: "Thank you for your warm welcome! I'm happy to be here in lovely Auschwitz. Whoops, I meant Warsaw. Lovely Warsaw."

aimtastic: I think they honestly thought that nothing would stand in their way, and when faced with a legitimate competitor, rather than rising to the challenge, they took it as a personal affront.

So they then proceeded to underestimate, shoot short, screw up, lose their lead, then devolve into madness? That's worse than a habitual gambler who is $10,000 in the hole saying, "Just one more hand..."

/One of the only ways to reference Auschwitz without Godwining the thread.

trouble believing that is

;-/

good god. Could you imagine this chic in the white house (again)? Yikes.

If anything happens to Obama before the election (or after I guess), lots of fingers should be pointing in her not-so-subtle-hint-to-the-rednecks ass.

Occam's Chainsaw: "The desperation surrounding Hillary nowadays is palpable and saddening. A year ago, Bill Clinton was a moderately decent former president and elder Democratic statesman. Hillary was a political mover and had a decent shot at being the first female president. Now, he's a lout who doesn't know when to shut up and opens with low blows at the bell, and she's an incessant shrew who has divorced herself from reality. What's wrong with these people?"

At their core, that's who they are and that's who they've always been. It's just become a bit more obvious lately.

Teela: "Of all the stupid, lying, purely insane actions of her campaign, though, this is one where I would defend her and I can't believe this is the one that people are raising hell about."

Agree.

67 Beetle: At their core, that's who they are and that's who they've always been. It's just become a bit more obvious lately.

Yeah, sane people came to this conclusion months ago. The MSM is slowly coming to this conclusion currently. People who still genuinely support Hillary will never, ever see this.

It's the Jim Jones cult writ large, and they very well might take the rest of America down with them.

Teela: I am not a Hillary supporter by any means, but so you honestly think she meant somebody might assassinate Obama, therefore she should stay in the race?

RFK was well before my time, so I probably wasn't able to put it in the same context. To me it came out like "Something fortunate may still happen for my campaign, like the untimely death of an opponent." You're probably right about how she meant it. That was just my initial take.

I'm an Obama supporter, and I was willing to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt, until I thought about it further.

While it was not the intent, what she basically said is, "It's still early, and I could be the presumptive nominee if someone were to knock off Obama".

There is no way to minimalize this. She has committed one of the biggest gaffes in the history of politics. I'd rather believe it wasn't Freudian in nature, but either way, she deserves all the flak she's going to get.

Teela: I am not a Hillary supporter by any means, but so you honestly think she meant somebody might assassinate Obama, therefore she should stay in the race?


but it also comes within a week or so where Mike Huckabee made an awfully inappropriate joke about Obama dodging an assassin's bullet and the "White Fright" mailer. Is it some kind of weird political opportunism? A freudian slip?

Occam's Chainsaw: FuzzyNoNoseChimp: What if she made these vocal mistakes as Commander in Chief?

Hillary, 2010: "Thank you for your warm welcome! I'm happy to be here in lovely Auschwitz. Whoops, I meant Warsaw. Lovely Warsaw."


"I am thrilled by the progress on the middle east peace accords. Rememeber that Yitzahk Rabin was shot for trying this?"

Me thinks this scene will look much differently, when Lifetime produces the Movie detailing this immaculate failure of Hillary Clinton's Campaign.
So far we have:
1. the evil skirt chasing husband
2. the freshmen Senator who drank her milkshake
3. the hedge fund planted daughter, who takes 6 months off from work on the "My family's running for office Family Leave Program"
4. The mean stepgrandmother, who ran as VP before.
5. many more side characters, just busting out of the woodwork.

She was a fighter, a lawyer, a mother and an alleged wife. She fought her way through law school, the South, and she fought all the way to the White House. Something happened along the way, on her return trip. Some say, that is where she lost her mind.

And by the way, Hillary is even lying about her main underlying point. Bill Clinton's primary fight did NOT last until June. It lasted until March. Saying it was until June is like saying McCain is still in a fierce competition with Ron Paul. It's just not correct to allege that.

A mysterious woman in a polka dot dress was at the scene exclaiming, "We got him! We got him!"

/Mrs. Clinton is fried; she's going to be remembered as a sad, maybe even Nixonian figure in history.

timmy_the_tooth: Can I hear from one, just ONE Hillary supporter who can justify their support still?

I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I stay at the Holiday Inn Express. Hillary supporters justify their support because Hillary has a vagina (allegedly). And for her supporters, that's all that matters.