*sigh*

Go cry, emo fetus.

Didn't read TFA but Wellbutrin has done me wonders. Its close to amphetamines, just juices you to hell. I would be a bit worried if that got into a fetus.

nekom: Go cry, emo fetus.

Wasn't Emo Fetus a comic back in the 80's?

my god, it's full of prozac

so emo it cuts it's own umbilical cord?

gimme Zoloft biatch!

/not human
//still trippy though

z0rgatr0n: Didn't read TFA but Wellbutrin has done me wonders. Its close to amphetamines, just juices you to hell. I would be a bit worried if that got into a fetus.

I read that many doctors prescribe this as an anti-smoking assist.

Have you heard this? I am not real up on things.

Its true, we don't understand we've all been born.

Wouldn't recommend mommy being on Effexor, though. That would have to be a biatch for junior to get off of.

I don't know, I'm just thinking that if you are taking drugs maybe you should just...
I don't know...

DON'T GET PREGNANT!?

Redneckian: z0rgatr0n: Didn't read TFA but Wellbutrin has done me wonders. Its close to amphetamines, just juices you to hell. I would be a bit worried if that got into a fetus.

I read that many doctors prescribe this as an anti-smoking assist.

Have you heard this? I am not real up on things.

Bupropion is the generic name, marketed as Wellbutrin for depression and Zyban for smoking cessation.

Redneckian: z0rgatr0n: Didn't read TFA but Wellbutrin has done me wonders. Its close to amphetamines, just juices you to hell. I would be a bit worried if that got into a fetus.

I read that many doctors prescribe this as an anti-smoking assist.

Have you heard this? I am not real up on things.

It is okay as a smoking cessation aid. It does calm the cravings down, but the first time I took it I felt like I had drank 5 "shot in the dark" espressos.

its only good for the fetus if its good for the pharmaceutical industry as well

//jack offs

My Dr. gave me a script of Welbutrin as a stop smoking aid. I took two and threw the rest away. What a shiatty feeling they gave me. They made me feel almost disconnected.

blacksho89: I don't know, I'm just thinking that if you are taking drugs maybe you should just...
I don't know...

DON'T GET PREGNANT!?

Word.

emptykay: blacksho89: I don't know, I'm just thinking that if you are taking drugs maybe you should just...
I don't know...

DON'T GET PREGNANT!?

Word.

'Cause nothing cures depression like having a kid.

If the fetus is a drug addict,
just abort it and try again

This study was done in Quebec. Can brain damage be reliably detected in that kind of Canadian?

*golf clap*

/headline

blacksho89

I don't know, I'm just thinking that if you are taking drugs maybe you should just...
I don't know...

DON'T GET PREGNANT!?

Blah Blah Blah, outbreaks of depression during pregnancy, blah blah blah post delivery when any such drug might be getting into breast milk blah blah blah even though study only looks at first trimester usage blah blah blah

Blah Blah Blah Just because you suffer from depression means you shouldn't have a baby? Blah Blah? Blah? Blah blah imagine that someone would be forced to think more about it if they did suffer from depression blah blah blah.

LaChanz: My Dr. gave me a script of Welbutrin as a stop smoking aid. I took two and threw the rest away. What a shiatty feeling they gave me. They made me feel almost disconnected.

You just don't want to be cured. Stop fighting your treatment, crazy person!

blacksho89: I don't know, I'm just thinking that if you are taking drugs maybe you should just...
I don't know...

DON'T GET PREGNANT!?

Ok, speaking as a woman who is almost 8 months pregnant, I'm sick and tired of hearing that if we can't keep our bodies 100% chemical-free, then we should just run right out to the local abortion clinic. All that does is create just another batch of precious little snowflakes who have to be protected from everything under the sun and will never wind up leaving home because they can't handle reality.

I'm not saying that pregnant women should swallow a bottle of thalidomide pills and wash them down with Jack Daniels, but not every single medication out there, whether OTC or prescription, is going to result birth defects. The key is *moderation*. Yes, there are some that can potentially do more damage than others, but if the prescribing doctor and mom agree that the benefits of the med in question outweigh the risks to the baby, then you take it. Hell, they even let a pregnant woman have x-rays provided they wrap enough lead around her abdomen. And, so long as you don't go overboard, they'll give you narcotic painkillers if absolutely necessary.

/lady lost control of her car and pinned me between both her and my car when I was 2 months pregnant
//had xrays (and even an mri, although that's not radiation) on my left leg and a rx for percocet
///baby has no developmental defects that they are able to test for right now, and her growth is right on target
////and even if there were problems, doesn't mean she has any less right to exist than I do, and I would love her no less

cat129: /lady lost control of her car and pinned me between both her and my car when I was 2 months pregnant

That's a lawsuitin'.

As someone who became suicidal from post-partum depression 5 years ago and still has to be heavily medicated on anti-depressants, and still wants to try for another kid, but is afraid of being on so many drugs and getting pregnant . . .

I'm really getting a kick out of some of these replies.

Also, I've been told it's okay to be on them, that there is no risk of birth defects from them, but there is some unofficial evidence that Zanax in the third trimester seems to result in a higher than usual rate of unexplained fetal death (yeah, I know Zanax is not actually an "anti-depressant.")

And yes, they will prescribe Wellbutrin to pregnant women because they're way more worried about smoking during pregnancy than about antidepressant usage.

cat129: blacksho89: I don't know, I'm just thinking that if you are taking drugs maybe you should just...
I don't know...

DON'T GET PREGNANT!?

Ok, speaking as a woman who is almost 8 months pregnant, I'm sick and tired of hearing that if we can't keep our bodies 100% chemical-free, then we should just run right out to the local abortion clinic.

Where did I say abortion?

Its OK because I'm black: cat129: /lady lost control of her car and pinned me between both her and my car when I was 2 months pregnant

That's a lawsuitin'.

When the possibility of me needing surgery on my leg was still up in the air, I had thought about it, and had actually started calling attorneys. She had only pinned my leg (my abdomen was free), and I wasn't far enough along that they could hook me up to a fetal monitor at the hospital. But fortunately, things healed up on their own, so I just dropped the whole lawsuit idea. It would have taken too long to settle, the insurance company wouldn't give me any more money with a lawyer than without, and the lawyer would have taken too big of a cut.

However, I had just stood back up right before she pulled in behind me (I was loading groceries into the back of my car, and had just pulled something from the bottom of the cart.) If it was one minute later on my part or earlier on hers, then I probably wouldn't be here typing this.

cat129:
Ok, speaking as a woman who is almost 8 months pregnant, I'm sick and tired of hearing that if we can't keep our bodies 100% chemical-free, then we should just run right out to the local abortion clinic. All that does is create just another batch of precious little snowflakes who have to be protected from everything under the sun and will never wind up leaving home because they can't handle reality.

Word.

/6 months pregnant

cat129: The key is *moderation*.

That's a nice thought, but do you have any evidence to support it? Cause you might want to be sure (for your baby's sake).

cat129:
/lady lost control of her car and pinned me between both her and my car when I was 2 months pregnant
//had xrays (and even an mri, although that's not radiation) on my left leg and a rx for percocet
///baby has no developmental defects that they are able to test for right now, and her growth is right on target

Well don't say we didn't warn you, if your baby's first word is "BAMF!"

Whole bunch of suicidal babies on the way.

And a new show on Sci-Fi.
Suicide Trek - The Next Generation

Wouldn't recommend mommy being on Effexor, though. That would have to be a biatch for junior to get off of.

I quit effexor cold turkey almost three months ago. For the first two weeks it felt like someone had strung a steel wire through my skull and incessantly plucking it.

SunTzuX:

I quit effexor cold turkey almost three months ago. For the first two weeks it felt like someone had strung a steel wire through my skull and incessantly plucking it.


You might find this site interesting. It's probably completely ineffectual, but it's still worth noting how many people have had similar bad experiences.

DrBenway: SunTzuX:

I quit effexor cold turkey almost three months ago. For the first two weeks it felt like someone had strung a steel wire through my skull and incessantly plucking it.

I feel that way if I forget to take Effexor even one day. It's crazy. I don't know how you did that cold turkey.

The way I feel on it is still better than the terrible anxiety I had off it. It's too bad about the weight gain though, I can't seem to lose those extra pounds I didn't have before the medication.

coco ebert:

I feel that way if I forget to take Effexor even one day. It's crazy. I don't know how you did that cold turkey.

The way I feel on it is still better than the terrible anxiety I had off it. It's too bad about the weight gain though, I can't seem to lose those extra pounds I didn't have before the medication.


I've never taken anything that would hit you so hard if you missed a single dose. It took me in the neighborhood of six weeks to get off of it, and I still had a bad time. That's why I said it could very well be unsuitable for a pregnant woman to take.

I wasn't very happy about what it did for my depression when I was on it either: while it did raise the bottom as far as lows were concerned, it also noticeably took off the highs, too, leaving me very zombie-like.

This is a little bit scary honestly. Has anyone heard of SSRI discontinuation syndrome?
Some side effects with SSRIs will never go away, sexual effects especially. From wiki, "While apparently uncommon, it can last for months, years, or sometimes indefinitely after the discontinuation of SSRIs."
SSRI Discontinuation
SSRI sexual dysfunction

These are serious mental drugs and we're giving them to a developing fetus??

SunTzuX: Wouldn't recommend mommy being on Effexor, though. That would have to be a biatch for junior to get off of.

I quit effexor cold turkey almost three months ago. For the first two weeks it felt like someone had strung a steel wire through my skull and incessantly plucking it.

not sure precisely of the symptom you are describing, but there have been reports that effexor (and many other antidepressants) can be related to tinnitus.in some cases, SSRIs have been tested as a remedy for tinnitus.

Cowkitchen2: As someone who became suicidal from post-partum depression 5 years ago and still has to be heavily medicated on anti-depressants, and still wants to try for another kid, but is afraid of being on so many drugs and getting pregnant . . .

I'm really getting a kick out of some of these replies.

Also, I've been told it's okay to be on them, that there is no risk of birth defects from them, but there is some unofficial evidence that Zanax in the third trimester seems to result in a higher than usual rate of unexplained fetal death (yeah, I know Zanax is not actually an "anti-depressant.")

And yes, they will prescribe Wellbutrin to pregnant women because they're way more worried about smoking during pregnancy than about antidepressant usage.

I'm not a doctor, and I don't play one anywhere, but I don't see how regulating serotonin levels could have any affect on a developing fetus.

I was on-and-off Prozac for years, and I never had any side effects from either stopping or starting it, except some headaches when it started to kick in.

I'm not convinced that newer anti-depressants are always better. They're just what the drug companies are pushing the docs to prescribe. I've been suicidal and Prozac took care of it. And now that it's generic, you can get it for about $8/month.

coco ebert:

I feel that way if I forget to take Effexor even one day. It's crazy. I don't know how you did that cold turkey.

The way I feel on it is still better than the terrible anxiety I had off it. It's too bad about the weight gain though, I can't seem to lose those extra pounds I didn't have before the medication.


I've never taken anything that would hit you so hard if you missed a single dose. It took me in the neighborhood of six weeks to get off of it, and I still had a bad time. That's why I said it could very well be unsuitable for a pregnant woman to take.

I wasn't very happy about what it did for my depression when I was on it either: while it did raise the bottom as far as lows were concerned, it also noticeably took off the highs, too, leaving me very zombie-like.

Ever Since I've been off of it, my fiancee has described me as being a "robot that somehow gained sentience"

blacksho89: cat129: blacksho89: I don't know, I'm just thinking that if you are taking drugs maybe you should just...
I don't know...

DON'T GET PREGNANT!?

Ok, speaking as a woman who is almost 8 months pregnant, I'm sick and tired of hearing that if we can't keep our bodies 100% chemical-free, then we should just run right out to the local abortion clinic.

Where did I say abortion?

I apologize for implying that you in particular had either implicitly or explicitly meant abortion. I had meant the 'royal you/we' in my comment. Blasted hormones getting in the way of clarity here.

As much as I'm trying to not Godwin this thread, there's a distinct 'eugenics through the back door' kinda vibe in our society. Think about it - for example, how much pressure and emphasis does our culture put on looking like supermodels? If anything happens that either directly or indirectly makes that impossilbe, then we look to lay blame instead of accepting the inevitable.

cryinoutloud: I'm not a doctor, and I don't play one anywhere, but I don't see how regulating serotonin levels could have any affect on a developing fetus.

the main avenue of pharmacology delivery is through the bloodstream. drugs introduced into the bloodstream of an expectant mother can cross the placental barrier just as readily as nutrients. most drugs in the pharmacopeia have indications for effects on crossing the placental barrier and their potential effects on the developing fetus. The FAD has a classification schemes for the relative effects of drugs indicated for used in pregnancy (A-D, X).

cryinoutloud:
I'm not a doctor, and I don't play one anywhere, but I don't see how regulating serotonin levels could have any affect on a developing fetus.
I was on-and-off Prozac for years, and I never had any side effects from either stopping or starting it, except some headaches when it started to kick in.

Because regulating levels implies that you are altering something. Levels would differ in the brain of a fetus compared to a normal development. SSRIs are not a joke, they are serious mind altering drugs.

News flash, prozac does not do any better than a sugar pill in studies. That's right. Placebo- 50% cure rate; Prozac- 53% cure rate. 3% difference, that's enough to account for differences in individuals.
Its in your head, you don't need no pills.

cat129: Point well taken :)

Best wishes to you and yours

qwerty3020: cat129: The key is *moderation*.

That's a nice thought, but do you have any evidence to support it? Cause you might want to be sure (for your baby's sake).

Just the results that I've gotten from the all the testing I've had done (genetic and otherwise), the knowledge that not all drugs cross the placenta, reading the entries in my copy of the Physician's Desk Reference, and trusting that the doctor in question doesn't prescribe me a drug with a FDA Pregancy Classification of either D or X.

DIAF, subby.

autotacotaco: cryinoutloud:
I'm not a doctor, and I don't play one anywhere, but I don't see how regulating serotonin levels could have any affect on a developing fetus.
I was on-and-off Prozac for years, and I never had any side effects from either stopping or starting it, except some headaches when it started to kick in.

Because regulating levels implies that you are altering something. Levels would differ in the brain of a fetus compared to a normal development. SSRIs are not a joke, they are serious mind altering drugs.

News flash, prozac does not do any better than a sugar pill in studies. That's right. Placebo- 50% cure rate; Prozac- 53% cure rate. 3% difference, that's enough to account for differences in individuals.
Its in your head, you don't need no pills.

Ok, could someone give me a placebo then so I can have the best of both worlds: not have anxiety and keep off weight/have normal sexual drive?

In the end, what I'm taking keeps me from having panic attacks and if a placebo will do that then that's fine. When you're actually having the problems though it's hard to think that you don't need the damn pills. I wish I were as strong as some people but obviously I'm not.

Cowkitchen2: (yeah, I know Zanax is not actually an "anti-depressant.")

It is an anti-anxiety though, and it is also very addicting. Not only that, it is spelled Xanax.


Great headline Submitter.

indylaw: DIAF, subby.

Some people take their antidepressants way too seriously.

/take a chill pill

qwerty3020: cat129: The key is *moderation*.

That's a nice thought, but do you have any evidence to support it? Cause you might want to be sure (for your baby's sake).

http://www.safefetus.com/ is a good site to look stuff up. Better still is Dr. Hale's book "Medications and Mother's Milk" (also covers pregnancy).

Remember ladies, if your doctor tells you that you can't take a certain med and breastfeed, make sure he looks it up there as the final word.