Well, if a Democratic president put forward something to help end it, I think a democratic congress would help put it through.

Oh boy

You mean politicians lied? What a shocking revelation!

No shiat?

So...?
-V.P. Cheney

I really look forward to fleeing this country as a refugee in a few years. Really.

Vote them out. Keep voting them out until they serve the people. We like to biatch but we have the power to do that. Educate your family, friends, and neighbors. Let them know that it's not okay to vote for someone just because you recognize their name on the ballot or generally like the party with with they associate. Let them know that the apathy they feel is exactly what any incumbent wants them to feel. This is our job and our responsibility.

I'm pissing into the wind, I know.

Now you see that reality will always triumph... because fantasy is dumb.

kennedy311: I really look forward to fleeing this country as a refugee in a few years. Really

What's stopping you?

fake!

politicians don't lie or make empty promises, especially democrats, and that's a fact.

Duh.

I am still laughing at anyone that bought the " vote for me and I will end the war " line of BS.

Anyone that has the kind of balls it takes to make that happen and deal with the fallout would never become a politician in the first place.

Clichéd assertion that both parties lie and/or are the same, followed by statement of unwavering support for Ron Paul.

mediaho: Vote them out. Keep voting them out until they serve the people. We like to biatch but we have the power to do that. Educate your family, friends, and neighbors. Let them know that it's not okay to vote for someone just because you recognize their name on the ballot or generally like the party with with they associate. Let them know that the apathy they feel is exactly what any incumbent wants them to feel. This is our job and our responsibility.

And run for office yourself! We have to stop letting other people do it. Want to take back your representation? Literally take it back. I honestly believe if your message is honest and rings true that it will carry louder and farther than the message of a well funded pandering politician.

At least I believe that now. I'll get back to you in November.

POAC: And run for office yourself!

And take the pay cut? No way. ;-)

Besides, my less than angelic past would invariably come up and not only preclude me from office by our puritan population but more importantly would break my mother's heart.

mediaho: Besides, my less than angelic past would invariably come up and not only preclude me from office by our puritan population but more importantly would break my mother's heart.

That's what I'd be worried about too. But there is an alternative - find a candidate you trust and work your heart out for him or her.

There's something wonderful about running a campaign, too. I've managed a couple and it's always an amazing experience, win or lose. To have people who believe in what you're doing, attending big rallies, having people expressing how much they appreciate what you're doing ... well, it's just something worth doing.

This has convinced me to vote Republican.

Republicans in 2008: We promise absolutely nothing, and deliver every time!

Well that seals the deal. McCain's got my vote now.

let's not forget it made it to the president's desk and he vetoed it. we were one signature away from ending it.

Hobodeluxe: let's not forget it made it to the president's desk and he vetoed it. we were one signature away from ending it.

Disingenuousness. This post has it.

Next they will be telling me that all of congress, senate, and executive branch have no character or leadership skills outside of getting people to follow them. Hey!!! follow me I am the leader......now what do I do?

HulkHands: Well, if a Democratic president put forward something to help end it, I think a democratic congress would help put it through.

THIS^infinity

McCain will run us down the gauntlet of staying for 100 years.

culebra: Well that seals the deal. McCain's got my vote now.

yeah that makes perfect sense.

POAC: mediaho: Vote them out. Keep voting them out until they serve the people. We like to biatch but we have the power to do that. Educate your family, friends, and neighbors. Let them know that it's not okay to vote for someone just because you recognize their name on the ballot or generally like the party with with they associate. Let them know that the apathy they feel is exactly what any incumbent wants them to feel. This is our job and our responsibility.

And run for office yourself! We have to stop letting other people do it. Want to take back your representation? Literally take it back. I honestly believe if your message is honest and rings true that it will carry louder and farther than the message of a well funded pandering politician.

At least I believe that now. I'll get back to you in November.

As an Obama supporter, I am far too sexist to run for office.

Hey Americans: you have the numbers AND the guns. What's the problem?

Mr. Anon: As an Obama supporter, I am far too sexist to run for office.

Me too. Wanna go pick up some easy broads later?

You folks that are voting for Obama because you think he'll get us out of Iraq, this article is for you.

cryptozoophiliac: Hey Americans: you have the numbers AND the guns. What's the problem?

Compassion.

straight talk express!

HulkHands: Well, if a Democratic president put forward something to help end it, I think a democratic congress would help put it through.



worked during Viet nam then they spent the next 30 years being blamed for losing and the party of retreat

Mr. Anon: As an Obama supporter, I am far too sexist to run for office.

As a Right Said Fred supporter, I'm too sexy to run for office

nopokerface: Disingenuousness. This post has it.

How do you figure? Which part of his post was incorrect?

What's really hilarious is that millions of rube Democrats still believe them!

Bringing Our Troops Home

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda. (new window)

The only trouble I'm having is deciding whether the Obama-ites are like a hicks who are suckered by carnies at the county fair year after year, or like wives who meekly return to the husbands who beat them every weekend. Maybe a little of both.

nopokerface: cryptozoophiliac: Hey Americans: you have the numbers AND the guns. What's the problem?

Compassion.

Well then, God Save the King:

The Homer Tax: nopokerface: Disingenuousness. This post has it.

How do you figure? Which part of his post was incorrect?

Do you mean the time table bill, with every piece of legislation that they could think of that Bush threatened to veto attached by Dems? My point was, they had no desire to see the war ended, just to appear that they did.

cryptozoophiliac: Well then, God Save the King:

OK.

HulkHands: Well, if a Democratic president put forward something to help end it, I think a democratic congress would help put it through.

That's a big IF, though. Both Democratic candidates have been very shaky on whether they'll follow through on their campaign promises regarding withdrawal time scales upon assuming office (even before 2013), citing "the changing situation on the ground". In other words, don't trust them, either.

American compassion:

Trollomite: HulkHands: Well, if a Democratic president put forward something to help end it, I think a democratic congress would help put it through.



worked during Viet nam then they spent the next 30 years being blamed for losing and the party of retreat

Kennedy and Johnson got us into Vietnam. Our own government is now on record that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was made up by these 2 clowns, Nixon runs on a platform of getting us out of Vietnam and he succeeds in getting us out and yet he is the bad guy and everyone loves Kennedy. WTF?

/Kennedy and Johnson still get a pass due to their civil rights work but as far as war? Hell no.

This whole ending the war thing is just lip service. Obama will get into office, see what's going on and probably follow the plan through. We will eventually withdrawl our troops when the objectives are met and still have bases in Iraq.

Obama isn't going to fark up his presidency and the majority on congress by snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq.

Politics be damned, this country has a short attention span. If he farks it up, blaming Bush will only take him so far.

/if he even gets elected in the first place, that is.

MFL: /if he even gets elected in the first place, that is.

I hope you are not suggesting that anyone would vote for any other candidate on Fark. That will not be tolerated.

kennedy311: I really look forward to fleeing this country as a refugee in a few years. Really.

Emo liberal is being dramatic.

Hobodeluxe: let's not forget it made it to the president's desk and he vetoed it. we were one signature away from ending it.

That wouldn't have ended the war. That would have ended only our involvement in it. I seriously doubt that Iran and Al-Qaeda would have ceased sending terrorists to murder Iraqis if only we had bailed last year.

nopokerface: The Homer Tax: nopokerface: Disingenuousness. This post has it.

How do you figure? Which part of his post was incorrect?

Do you mean the time table bill, with every piece of legislation that they could think of that Bush threatened to veto attached by Dems? My point was, they had no desire to see the war ended, just to appear that they did.

Oh, but damned if they didn't overturn his pork vetos. Never shall a politician be kept from their vote-buying.

cryptozoophiliac: American compassion:


You should see what we do when we're not being compassionate.
Ask Dresden and Hiroshima.

nopokerface: cryptozoophiliac: Hey Americans: you have the numbers AND the guns. What's the problem?

Compassion.

Actually, I disagree. The problem is that Americans own warmonger stocks. They talk a good game about justice and peace, but secretly thrilled to the shock and awe. They love war, and won't lift a finger to stop the warmongers. And no, I don't buy for a minute that they really believed the Democrats would end the war. They were just pissed at the Repubs.

nopokerface: Do you mean the time table bill, with every piece of legislation that they could think of that Bush threatened to veto attached by Dems? My point was, they had no desire to see the war ended, just to appear that they did.

Isn't this circular logic, though?

Bush threatened to veto anything that involved ending the war. So you are criticizing them for sending him bills with measures to end the war that he vetoed, while simultaneously criticizing them for not doing anything to end the war?

Lets say that hypothetically, the Dems elected to congress *did* want to end the war. What could they have done, in your opinion, that they did not do?

Saturn5: cryptozoophiliac: American compassion:


You should see what we do when we're not being compassionate.
Ask Dresden and Hiroshima.

That wasn't so much lack of compassion as lack of technology. This here's the 21st Century we're in. Nobody watched Dresden burn on CNN. Millions watched Baghdad being bombed, and many Americans cheered. Face it, you like war, why not just admit it? Why keep pretending you're the good guys when it's so obviously no longer true?

Well, if some dipshiat polock congresscritter from PA said it...who am I to question?

shocker66s
Kennedy and Johnson got us into Vietnam. Our own government is now on record that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was made up by these 2 clowns, Nixon runs on a platform of getting us out of Vietnam and he succeeds in getting us out and yet he is the bad guy and everyone loves Kennedy. WTF?

/Kennedy and Johnson still get a pass due to their civil rights work but as far as war? Hell no.

boggles the mind doesn't it?

It isn't that Liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan