Just as with foods, plants, medications, etc., sensitivity to something DOES NOT equal an allergy. I have food, plant & medication sensitivities & I have food, plant & medication allergies. The severity & reactions are very different. Sensitivities are annoying, allergies can be deadly.

Bathia_Mapes: sensitivity to something DOES NOT equal an allergy

This. 100 times this.


An allergy is your body having an immune response to some substance, it's not just that you feel a bit uncomfortable if you come into contact with it.

It's a brain cloud ;)

I would LOVE to see a double blind test done with these "electro-sensitive" people in court.
If you can "feel" a 2.4Ghz EMF created by a <100mW wifi unit, you'd probably shiat your pants whenever someone turned on a microwave with no food in it.

If any of those yahoos actually used a spectrum analyzer and saw how much electromagnetic radiation they were exposed to on a daily basis, their head would probably explode.

queezyweezel: I would LOVE to see a double blind test done with these "electro-sensitive" people in court.
If you can "feel" a 2.4Ghz EMF created by a <100mW wifi unit, you'd probably shiat your pants whenever someone turned on a microwave with no food in it.

If any of those yahoos actually used a spectrum analyzer and saw how much electromagnetic radiation they were exposed to on a daily basis, their head would probably explode.

THIS X 1000

I believe it's impossible for any human to detect 2.4 GHZ in the milliwatt per m^3 range. These folks are the same people who won't eat food from a microwave because it's been exposed to "radiation". Meanwhile they see no problem living down the street from a radio station or TV station pumping out 50,000 to 1,000,000 watts of power. Or holding a cellphone to their head pumping out 3 watts or driving under power transmission lines which produce a magnetic field so intense they'll light a florescent light tube without it being plugged in.

A parent at our local primary school [kids age 4-11] has made the headteacher take wireless broadband out of the KS1 [age 4-7] classrooms.

Because there's no long-term research in its effects and it might curdle their brains.

Mmmmm....curdled baby-brains.....

Jenthelibrarian: Mmmmm....curdled baby-brains.....

Goddammit, now i'm hungry.

queezyweezel: If any of those yahoos actually used a spectrum analyzer and saw how much electromagnetic radiation they were exposed to on a daily basis, their head would probably explode.

Can you imagine the crazy routes to work they have to take to avoid all the cell towers these days.

Con_Authority: Or holding a cellphone to their head pumping out 3 watts

Handheld phones are about .6 watts. Bag phones are the ones that are about 3 watts.

Other than that, good post

Con_Authority: driving under power transmission lines which produce a magnetic field so intense they'll light a florescent light tube without it being plugged in.

I so freaked out my neighbor by showing her that. I laugh at her regularly because she is the type to spend $20 extra to buy special florescent lights that don't give off bad negative radiation.

/She swears the don't give her a headache like the normal ones do.

TFA: The city attorney hopes to have a legal recommendation by the end of the month.

Legal Recommendation: Laugh heartily and ignore them.

IANAL, but that seems logical to me.

EvilEgg: Con_Authority: driving under power transmission lines which produce a magnetic field so intense they'll light a florescent light tube without it being plugged in.

I so freaked out my neighbor by showing her that. I laugh at her regularly because she is the type to spend $20 extra to buy special florescent lights that don't give off bad negative radiation.

/She swears the don't give her a headache like the normal ones do.

That's probably because of either a different temperature of light that those bulbs give off, or she's a complete moron who fell for the placebo effect.

Con_Authority: driving under power transmission lines which produce a magnetic field so intense they'll light a florescent light tube without it being plugged in.

Hahahah now see, I'm tempted to try this by taking a flourescent bulb and holding a foot or two from the power line(obviously not with my bare hands, heh)

So someone with a rare skin condition in which they cannot be exposed to light could now sue to keep all public buildings dark?

First they take away your smoking, then they take your wi-fi, next they take your pron.

I'm an allergist, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies....

No, really. I am.

I would recommend a tinfoil hat, stat.

mysticcat:
I would recommend a tinfoil hat, stat.

I came here to suggest this. Just make sure the shiny side faces out, otherwise it doesn't work.

mofroe: Con_Authority: Or holding a cellphone to their head pumping out 3 watts

Handheld phones are about .6 watts. Bag phones are the ones that are about 3 watts.

Other than that, good post

What the hell is a "bag phone"?

I'm allergic to idiots, can we ban them from public buildings? That would clear up the problem, I think.

aniktwo: What the hell is a "bag phone"?

Get the hell off of my lawn!!!



It was basically a portable version of the type of phones that used to get installed in a car.

mofroe:

It was basically a portable version of the type of phones that used to get installed in a car.

Oh, I see. It looks like something they might've used in Vietnam.

;P

aniktwo: mofroe:

It was basically a portable version of the type of phones that used to get installed in a car.

Oh, I see. It looks like something they might've used in Vietnam.

;P

Oh sigh, I meant the Vietnam War. Not just Vietnam.

/I need coffee.

I'm allergic to douchebags; whenever I encounter one, my blood pressure and stress level goes up, I get angry and uncomfortable.

Therefore, I am suing to have all douchebags removed from the planet and shot into the sun.

We have a similar group of douchenozzles at my place of work. We had a spat of older employees kicking the bucket (the usual stuff - strokes, heart failure, etc) and they started blaming the buildings. So, we had to spend assloads of money having the buildings checked for radon and other stuff like that. Result: some moldy areas were identified and fixed and we all got crappy raises because a small vocal bunch of wackjobs.

The city attorney hopes to have a legal recommendation by the end of the month.

That would be premature. First they need a scientific recommendation which declares the claim stupid and incorrect. Then a pyschological recommendation that the complainers be removed from open society. Then we can get to the legal stuff.

Artmageddon: Hahahah now see, I'm tempted to try this by taking a flourescent bulb and holding a foot or two from the power line(obviously not with my bare hands, heh)

check this out

aniktwo: Oh sigh, I meant the Vietnam War. Not just Vietnam

I knew what you meant, and yes it does.

The World Health Organization did some studies on Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity (EHS).


"A number of studies have been conducted where EHS individuals were exposed to EMF similar to those that they attributed to the cause of their symptoms. The aim was to elicit symptoms under controlled laboratory conditions.

The majority of studies indicate that EHS individuals cannot detect EMF exposure any more accurately than non-EHS individuals. Well controlled and conducted double-blind studies have shown that symptoms were not correlated with EMF exposure."

"EHS has no clear diagnostic criteria and there is no scientific basis to link EHS symptoms to EMF exposure. Further, EHS is not a medical diagnosis, nor is it clear that it represents a single medical problem."

If they can detect it, then they are operating in the 2.4 GHz spectrum and have to take whatever interference is there, just like it says in the FCC regulations.

labman: If they can detect it, then they are operating in the 2.4 GHz spectrum and have to take whatever interference is there, just like it says in the FCC regulations.

and they arent allowed to create it themselves.

/always read the sticker first

The only thing this thread is missing is a pic of Inigo Montoya...

/some 60-year-old hippie chick in the grocery store yesterday was hanging a crystal over all her purchases to decide if she'd keep them in the cart or not...
//farking morans

SpinStopper: It's a brain cloud ;)

I have no response to that.

Wireless networking is radio. These idiots have been exposed to this all their lives.

what_now: I'm allergic to douchebags; whenever I encounter one, my blood pressure and stress level goes up, I get angry and uncomfortable.

Therefore, I am suing to have all douchebags removed from the planet and shot into the sun.Sorry, I'm allergic to being removed from the planet. Stop violating my rights!!

/not really a douchebag...
//usually

aniktwo: Oh sigh, I meant the Vietnam War. Not just Vietnam.

/I need coffee.

was going to say, i was in vietnam a few months ago and people in mud huts had nicer cell phones than i did...

"It's not 1692, it's 2008. Santa Fe needs to embrace this technology, it's not going away,"

what happened in 1692, some sort of allergic people's uprising?

pandabear: IANAL, but that seems logical to me.

One reason why you are not a lawyer is that you think logic has a place in today's world.

/thus ends my short but sarcastic rant at the state of the world today
//my lawn, get the fark off it

labman: If they can detect it, then they are operating in the 2.4 GHz spectrum and have to take whatever interference is there, just like it says in the FCC regulations.

win.

What is the falloff on energy for those things anyways?

This reminds me of the time someone told me my ear got hot because of the microwave radiation my ear was absorbing while chatting on the phone. I thought that it was just the battery plus covering my normally heat radiating ear with a phone

I am allergic to people who are allergic to stupid shiat. Ban them from public places.

Wow...if they win, maybe I can finally get my congressman to do something about my severe Nickelback allergy.

This reminds me of that episode of the x-files where that guy's head exploded after being exposed to unspecified radio waves.

"I've got some bad news ... we're running out of west."

carmody: Wow...if they win, maybe I can finally get my congressman to do something about my severe Nickelback allergy.

There is a class-action suit we can all get behind

antidisestablishmentarianism: next they take your pron.

They can have my pron when they pry it from my cold, dead, somewhat sticky hand.

queezyweezel: I would LOVE to see a double blind test done with these "electro-sensitive" people in court.
If you can "feel" a 2.4Ghz EMF created by a <100mW wifi unit, you'd probably shiat your pants whenever someone turned on a microwave with no food in it.

i have this image of them all melting like the nazi's at the end of raiders of the lost arc when i throw a ramen in the microwave...

This claim is BS, plus how can I use my iPhone in a public place? If I can't show it off, it is completely worthless

Damn, these people are like super samurais or something to have noticed the tiny ninjas carrying data.

that art installation of the 1,031 flourescents under the powerlines is *fantastic*!

meat0918: What is the falloff on energy for those things anyways?

This reminds me of the time someone told me my ear got hot because of the microwave radiation my ear was absorbing while chatting on the phone. I thought that it was just the battery plus covering my normally heat radiating ear with a phone

1/r², like every other non-directional free-space radiation pattern.

Hopefully the judge will throw this out with the requisite...