Well now that he's got the nomination, he doesn't think he needs the evangelical nutters anymore.

I think he needed to distance himself from crazy Hitler guy, but he ought to be careful about how he does this. He just might need their followers in November.

Like TFA says though, even without Parsley and Hitler guy, he'll probably win TX.

What this means is that the Republicans are going to use Wright big time to go after Obama. But first they have to be able to say their guy is different.

$100 says these guys got a call first saying thanks for the support but John has to step back from you because of the fallout from Wright.

tallguywithglasseson: Like TFA says though, even without Parsley and Hitler guy, he'll probably win TX.

Don't make any predictions until the first debate. So far, McCain has been making some major gaffes (Sunni/Shia confusion, etc) that the media have mostly ignored because the Dem primary is better for ratings. Wait until tens of millions are watching when it happens.

erik-k: Don't make any predictions until the first debate.

Here's a prediction: if Texas is truly in play in November, McCain is f*cked with a huge ass f*ck stick.

tallguywithglasseson: erik-k: Don't make any predictions until the first debate.

Here's a prediction: if Texas is truly in play in November, McCain is f*cked with a huge ass f*ck stick.

This. If Texas is actually a battleground, any state to the left of it goes for Obama; which is almost the entire country. It'll look like the 1972 map, only in blue instead of red.

My baseline prediction's in my profile.

From Wiki
""When crushed and rubbed on the skin, parsley can reduce itching in mosquito bites."
Also, Parsley contains 133.0 mg of Vitamin C per 3.5oz serving; that's 222% of you're daily recommended intake!

Fascinating.

destroy/deface all garnishes.

/per ancient snl skit
//a kewpie doll for the first one to youtube the sketch

Bush won in '04 only because of the right-wing evangelical nut-job Jebus worshippers turning out in droves.

If McCain can't get that to happen too, then he's pretty much farked.

Burn98: What this means is that the Republicans are going to use Wright big time to go after Obama.

Uh. Duh? What else do they have at this point? They have "Wright," "empty suit," and "can you really trust a guy who gives good speeches, because I heard the Antichrist gives good speeches." That's IT.

McCain will win. Repubs always show up and vote their candidate, no matter what his views, period. Mark my words.

Actually I think they'll just kill him if it's still close on election day. Given the Loyal Bushie requirement for Secret Service duty and all...

TheCid: tallguywithglasseson: erik-k: Don't make any predictions until the first debate.

Here's a prediction: if Texas is truly in play in November, McCain is f*cked with a huge ass f*ck stick.

This. If Texas is actually a battleground, any state to the left of it goes for Obama; which is almost the entire country. It'll look like the 1972 map, only in blue instead of red.

My baseline prediction's in my profile.

Why Louisiana may I ask?

/And not Virginia!

sunlion: McCain will win. Repubs always show up and vote their candidate, no matter what his views, period. Mark my words.

I share your cynicism. Really, I do. But there are 2 new factors in play here:

a) If Barack gets the nomination, young and/or minority voters (who traditionally don't vote) will turn out in droves

b) Thanks to George W Bush, Republicans are more hated today than they have ever been hated before (with the possible exception of Watergate.)

sunlion: Repubs always show up and vote their candidate, no matter what his views, period. Mark my words.

And people are showing up in record numbers just to vote regardless. You can't make that statement with any real certainty. The last two elections were not only close, they were controversially so.

TheCid: My baseline prediction's in my profile.

Louisiana is sure blue, New Mexico is sure red, and Idaho and Georgia are in play? What?

The rest is reasonable, I guess.

I love the way Subby calls the guy McCain's "spiritual mentor," when he was just a preacher who gave him an endorsement a while back. Parsley's more equivalent to Farrakhan, who was "distanced" from Obama in almost exactly the same way.

Meanwhile, Obama's two-decade no-shiat "spiritual mentor" (who gave him his book title) is, according to O-man's supporters, nearly a stranger. Yeah. Right.


farkityfaker:
"If Barack gets the nomination, young and/or minority voters (who traditionally don't vote) will turn out in droves"

They say that every election, and it's always wrong. Even if it's partly true, a big number of former Dem voters (middle-aged women) will be staying away in droves out of spite, and a whole lot of old people will be out voting for the old guy (gee, pushing that "he's old" meme looks like a bit of a bad idea, eh, especially since the one block of voters who ALWAYS have time to show up are, well, old?).

Hitting Coffee With Drumsticks: Louisiana is sure blue, New Mexico is sure red, and Idaho and Georgia are in play? What?

The rest is reasonable, I guess.

Louisiana: Lots of people are really angry over how the Katrina disaster was handled, and they blame Bush for FEMA's response, rightly or not.

Georgia: Large black population.

ID and NM I don't see either.

TheCid:

You're giving the Democrats Montana? And I'd also put Indiana in the undecided column...

cirby:

Oh, they say they won't vote for Obama now. They'll change their tune when someone points out that McCain will appoint conservative judges which would make overturning Roe v Wade probable.

Not that the Republicans will ever actually overturn it - fools who pledge mindless support in exchange for promising to oppose abortion have gauranteed that.

Relatively Obscure: Burn98: What this means is that the Republicans are going to use Wright big time to go after Obama.

Uh. Duh? What else do they have at this point? They have "Wright," "empty suit," and "can you really trust a guy who gives good speeches, because I heard the Antichrist gives good speeches." That's IT.

I LOLed

Pick a punditPat Robertson will threaten a terrorist attackthe End of the World for anyone not voting republican.

Burn98: What this means is that the Republicans are going to use Wright big time to go after Obama. But first they have to be able to say their guy is different.

Obama denounced and rejected first. McCain sought out not one but two and it was only after they spoke ill of the Jews that he finally decided they were less of a help than a hindrance.
Keep in mind this was after he had called people like them "agents of intolerance". So he was aware of them and their intolerance and when they were for Bush and not him he was against them.
I'm sure his people vetted these people.
And they decided that for the primary they needed them and for the general they could cut them loose if the media decided to report on them.
This has all been calculated. There's very few "coincidences" or "spontaneous moments" in politics.

Operation Chaos: "You tell 'em, whitey."

do you people realize how desperate you appear with junk like that?
your race baiting is getting old and tired.

Why does John McCain hate Christians?

Sorry, Repubs who hope that the same old dynamic will play out this year.

In fact, it won't. Americans are weary of rich old white men waging wars for profit abroad and wrecking life at home for everyone other than their profiting buddies.

Yes, there is a lot of racism, and McCain (like Hillary) is banking on this. But I think the American people are so tired of the same old shiat that they may be able to overcome their racism for a change.

why it will be hard to paint Obama or Michelle as racists. ^{(^)}

What's funny is how many brainwashed members of the Obama's cult defended Wright (until Obama dumped him) compared to exactly no one on McCain's side defending Parsley.

/I don't think Parsley married McCain off or hosted fund raisers for him or had dinner with him frequently.

farkityfarker: sunlion: McCain will win. Repubs always show up and vote their candidate, no matter what his views, period. Mark my words.

I share your cynicism. Really, I do. But there are 2 new factors in play here:

a) If Barack gets the nomination, young and/or minority voters (who traditionally don't vote) will turn out in droves

Oh I hope you're right, but time and again young people get all charged up about voting and then stay home on election day.

cirby:I love the way Subby calls the guy McCain's "spiritual mentor," when he was just a preacher who gave him an endorsement a while back. Parsley's more equivalent to Farrakhan, who was "distanced" from Obama in almost exactly the same way.

Meanwhile, Obama's two-decade no-shiat "spiritual mentor" (who gave him his book title) is, according to O-man's supporters, nearly a stranger. Yeah. Right.

If you want to advance the "they're not equal" talking point, maybe you should address that John McCain had called people like Hagee and Parsley "agents of intolerance" in 2000. It's hard to have a 20 year relationship when 8 years ago, you hated the people.

But I guess in your mind, it's okay for a crime and punishment politician to affiliate with mobsters and drug dealers as long as you previously were against them.

I think this whole episode reflects that John McCain is simply out of touch with religious people. Despite all the "BOOGABOOOGABOOGAMOOOSLEM" rumors, we now know that Barack Obama is a devout Christian who had a conversion experience several years ago.

What do we know about John McCain? Nothing really, except that he thinks that evangelicals think that we're in a holy war against Islam, hate Catholics, and have some Godwintastic views. Essentially, McCain has a strange caricature of religious voters that can only be described as "elitist." He can't talk to them or any way, shape, or form, so he surrounded himself with people who he thought could, then threw them out when they became too controversial.

This isn't going to sit well with a lot of religious voters. It's obvious that McCain thinks these millions of people are morons.

He never should have accepted it in the first place. None the less he did the right thing

I live about a mile from Parsley's megachurch, and he is without question 100% batshiat crazy. He likes to do things like dress in tailored camo outfits and march around with a sword and discuss "god's army" and how they will bring down the non-believers.

What is fun though is his bible school students like to come to the neighborhood and "witness" to people. The first time I was polite, but firm, that they should leave. The second time I was rude, and the third one of the "christians" tried to take a swing at me. Ahh, hypocrisy. Hehehe, that was a pretty good day.

tallguywithglasseson:
Here's a prediction: if Texas is truly in play in November, McCain is f*cked with a huge ass f*ck stick.

Here's a fact. If you think Texas is in play you are either gullible or insane.

submitter: McCain dumps controversial pastor Rev. Parsley. Parsley wasn't quite the spiritual mentor as McCain had previously suggested, but really more of a garnish

Mmmmmmmm Spiritual Parsley Mentos.

Hang On Voltaire: He never should have accepted it in the first place. None the less he did the right thing

Gosh. You don't think that this whole "accepting the endorsement for the primary, then rejecting it for the general" gives the impression that the GOP is just, once again, cynically exploiting the religious right?

I mean, because that might be the impression some people might get.

if republicans are going to cull out the lobbyists and televangelists from their party, they will find themselves left with one guy who was really impressed by Nelson Rockefeller but who's probably going to vote for Obama.

Manhigh: Oh I hope you're right, but time and again young people get all charged up about voting and then stay home on election day.

I hear you, believe me. But what did they have before? Clinton. Gore. Kerry. Dukakis. Mondale.

I may be overly optimistic, but I believe that Obama will energize young and minority voters in a way that past Democratic candidates couldn't.

Operation Chaos: Converted from what, islam?

What 'we now know' is that Obama doesn't believe his own church, or at the very least doesn't pay attention on Sundays. We also 'now know' that Obama thinks too many people 'cling to religion'.

He converted from nothing to a belief in Christ.

We don't know anything about John McCain. Except that he thinks religious voters are stupid and could be duped into voting for him if he affiliated himself with the "agents of intolerance" he condemned eight years ago.

Hang On Voltaire: Here's a fact. If you think Texas is in play you are either gullible or insane.

John McCain is speaking in front of La Raza in July.

Do you still think Texas and other such states are safe for him?

Nemo's Brother: What's funny is how many brainwashed members of the Obama's cult defended Wright (until Obama dumped him) compared to exactly no one on McCain's side defending Parsley.

/I don't think Parsley married McCain off or hosted fund raisers for him or had dinner with him frequently.

What's even funnier is that asides from using it as jabbing fodder, I really didn't give a crap about this douche either. Religion has no place in politics, and you can't be held responsible for the idiocy other people say. Not that Wright really said what people think he said, if you read it in context. Maybe Parsley had the same deal.

Regardless, idiots will buy into thinking Obama is a black nationalist muslim christian radical sleeper cell socialist with a wife who hates america and white people crap just as much as people think that Bush engineered 9/11. There's a word for conspiracy morons: morons.

McCain's biggest problem is NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HE STANDS FOR because he constantly CHANGES HIS POSITIONS. In a real way. Not the way R's tried to stick flip-flop on everything that moves on the D's side.

We can post McCain quotes side by side time and time again. And he's old. Really old. And won't release his medical records. I'm all for a senior prez, but not if he's going to drop farking dead on the job.

Plus, McCain LOVES lobbyists. Sometimes literally.

Wow this thing is threadjacked all to hell and gone. The whole point of TFA/TFV was that Hillary is a lying hypocritical douchebag when it comes to her vote on Iraq, and put words in Obama's mouth which he demonstratively did not say.
But let's discuss sexism some more. Yawn.

WOOPS wrong thread! My bad, sorry.

PC LOAD LETTER: Not that Wright really said what people think he said, if you read it in context. Maybe Parsley had the same deal.

Actually, Parsley in context is pretty clear.

Hobodeluxe: why it will be hard to paint Obama or Michelle as racists. (^)

Thanks for the link.

Its so wonderful to see somebody in the public arena make sense isn't it?

Manhigh: Oh I hope you're right, but time and again young people get all charged up about voting and then stay home on election day.

Charging them up with a guy who talks about Lock Boxes, and a soldier from a war 20 years before most of us were born? Sorry.

A much younger academic, community activist, not involved in War, not involved in big-scale power broking, and doesn't look like our unpleasant Uncle Frank who use to try to get us to sit on his lap?

Trust me, they're out here. They're ready.

Relatively Obscure: Uh. Duh? What else do they have at this point? They have "Wright," "empty suit," and "can you really trust a guy who gives good speeches, because I heard the Antichrist gives good speeches." That's IT.

Being a Texas lefty, I can tell you that even though McCain may take our state in the general we're still gonna give him a hell of a fight.

If two democrats are kicking your ass on the God-o-Meter (new window) and you are a Republican, then you are seriously doing it wrong.

For those of you questioning my baseline: Montana has voted in a lot of Democrats recently. I've gotta go to class, be back in ~90 minutes to check the rest of the thread.

You know, the McCain threads are not nearly as exciting as the Obama threads. All those people that hate all the political options just don't show up for some crazy, odd, weird reason.

Whatsleft: Why Louisiana may I ask?

/And not Virginia!

People are pissed about Katrina, and I moved VA from "Republican" to "in play".

Hitting Coffee With Drumsticks: TheCid: My baseline prediction's in my profile.

Louisiana is sure blue,
Katrina, FEMA reaction, etc.

New Mexico is sure red,
That should probably be listed as "in play". I threw the original prediction together in a hurry.

and Idaho and Georgia are in play? What?
Um, yes. Go look at the primary results in Idaho, and look at the demographics of Georgia (which also voted for Clinton in '92).