There is probably more sexism than we are willing to admit. How many times has she been called a coont/biatch? When people make derisive comments about her they are often focused on her gender. Sexism isn't the only reason, but it was probably a factor.

Hillary lost my vote forever the day she voted for the Iraq war. She's a freaking war monger ready to annihilate on a whim. Any woman with a draft age son would not trust her in the Whitehouse.

No one wants to read your stupid farking blog, Jed. Stop submitting it.

Suicidal Writer: There is probably more sexism than we are willing to admit. How many times has she been called a coont/biatch? When people make derisive comments about her they are often focused on her gender. Sexism isn't the only reason, but it was probably a factor.

I agree with this. A lot of people's objections to her are unnecessarily personal.

Hillary is an mysoginistic as the people who refer to her as "coont" or "biatch".

She's from a generation of women that divided other women into two camps: the one's who had careers in typically-male jobs, and those who opted to stay home and raise kids. The women who chose to be "stay-at home moms" were looked down upon by those women who went on the professional career path.

coma: No one wants to read your stupid farking blog, Jed. Stop submitting it.

Someone needs to tell this to "view from 1776" or w/e that stupid site is.

Suicidal Writer: How many times has she been called a coont/biatch? When people make derisive comments about her they are often focused on her gender.

See, we all have rude names for people we don't like. And those names tend to be assigned based on gender. We don't typically call women "dicks," or "assholes," or "douchebags," or "motherfarkers." Those names are reserved for men. We don't typically call a men "biatch" or a "coont" (unless you're a Brit)--those names are reserved for women.

For example, I don't like George W. Bush. If I refer to him as a "prick" or an "asshole," would you interpret that as saying that I'm sexist and disrepect him because he's a man? No, of course not--it would sound weird to call him a "biatch." I don't like Hillary either. If I refer to her as a "biatch," why the hell would you interpret that as a sexist comment? Would it make sense to call her a "prick"?

I wish I didn't have to keep explaining this simple concept to simple people.

Cyberluddite: I wish I didn't have to keep explaining this simple concept to simple people.

Thanks for that, I didn't feel like typing.

There is probably more sexism than we are willing to admit. How many times has she been called a coont/biatch? When people make derisive comments about her they are often focused on her gender. Sexism isn't the only reason, but it was probably a factor.

No...Coont and biatch are just derogatory words that are generally only used when referring to a woman. If she were a man, we would call her a prick or an A-hole. It isn't her gender that brings out the names, those are just derogatory names for her gender.

The biatch/coont thing was just one very specific example.

Biatch is not just a word. Word's mean things. I'm not saying that using it necessarily makes one sexist, but it's not goose/gander situation.

srhp29:
No...Coont and biatch are just derogatory words that are generally only used when referring to a woman. If she were a man, we would call her a prick or an A-hole. It isn't her gender that brings out the names, those are just derogatory names for her gender.

How does this excuse the sexism? It's still verbally attacking someone over an immutable trait. If the behavior stands on its own, then there should be no need to attack her over gender. She can't UNwoman herself.

Is it acceptable to attack Obama's in racial terms because it's acceptable to use the word redneck?

Is it acceptable to attack Obama's in racial terms because it's acceptable to use the word redneck?

I bet you don't have a hissy when people call Bush derogatory names generally used for men do you? Didn't think so.


It is not about sexism.

You are probably also one of those people who call whites racist for voting for Clinton based on the color of her skin but have nothing to say when 80% of blacks vote for Obama.

JerseyTim: Suicidal Writer: There is probably more sexism than we are willing to admit. How many times has she been called a coont/biatch? When people make derisive comments about her they are often focused on her gender. Sexism isn't the only reason, but it was probably a factor.

I agree with this. A lot of people's objections only reason to vote for her is unnecessarily personal.

FTFY.

Sexism has become the rallying cry of the Clinton supporters. How many of them are voting for her just because she doesn't have dangly bits? How is that not the same thing? This entire argument is retarded. How many times outside of the internets do you hear people calling Hillary a biatch/coont? You're looking at a very small sample.

srhp29: You are probably also one of those people who call whites racist for voting for Clinton based on the color of her skin but have nothing to say when 80% of blacks vote for Obama.

Man, this talking point is getting old fast. Early on in the election, 70% of blacks were voting for Clinton. But don't let that stop you from repeating your garbage.

Man, this talking point is getting old fast. Early on in the election, 70% of blacks were voting for Clinton. But don't let that stop you from repeating your garbage.

So you don't believe there is a significant pct of blacks are voting for him because he is black. I see you can type words, so I don't think you are that stupid.

Note: I am voting for him if given the chance (Registered Republican)

TheCid

Notice also I said, "When" 80% of blacks vote for him. I did not say 80% of blacks have voted for him in the election did I? No? Okay, good.

You think, given the shift in racial votes, that the ONLY explanation is that all of a sudden they're simply voting for the black dude and not voting against a candidate that engaged in a massive amount of race-baiting?

Let's face it, the borderline-racist stuff coming from the Clinton camp is not going to encourage black people to vote for her.

TheCid

You know what is just as sad though? Over half of the people voting in the general election will vote solely based on the letter next to people's names on the ballot.

There are racists of all colors...sexists of both genders...and complete clueless morons in both parties.

ElQue: Sexism has become the rallying cry of the Clinton supporters. How many of them are voting for her just because she doesn't have dangly bits? How is that not the same thing? This entire argument is retarded. How many times outside of the internets do you hear people calling Hillary a biatch/coont? You're looking at a very small sample.

Undoubtedly, many Clinton supporters are backing her because of a desire to see a woman elected. However, the point made was that a lot of the reaction against Clinton is sexist to the degree that is more than it is acknowledged. There are separate issues.

completely clueless morons

FTFM

Suicidal Writer: There is probably more sexism than we are willing to admit. How many times has she been called a coont/biatch? When people make derisive comments about her they are often focused on her gender. Sexism isn't the only reason, but it was probably a factor.

Yeah, because a well-known white woman has SUCH a disadvantage over an unknown young black man.

srhp29: So you don't believe there is a significant pct of blacks are voting for him because he is black. I see you can type words, so I don't think you are that stupid.

Maybe. But 100% of black people who have voted in previous presidential elections have voted for people of another race--white men. This time they might feel like voting for a black man given the first-time opportunity to do so (and who can blame them), but because they have voted for a white candidate in the past they obviously are open to the possibilibty of voting for a candidate of another race.

On the contrary, 100% of Hillary's voters have never voted for a black man, or anybody else of a race other than Caucasian, for president. Some voted for Hillary because they prefer her, but some of them voted for her because they would never vote for a candidate of another race. That's a statement you cannot make of Obama's supporters, whether white or black.

coma: No one wants to read your stupid farking blog, Jed. Stop submitting it.


...and now that this is going green, I look like an ass. However, it does give me an excuse to post this again:

Cyberluddite: Suicidal Writer: How many times has she been called a coont/biatch? When people make derisive comments about her they are often focused on her gender.

See, we all have rude names for people we don't like. And those names tend to be assigned based on gender. We don't typically call women "dicks," or "assholes," or "douchebags," or "motherfarkers." Those names are reserved for men. We don't typically call a men "biatch" or a "coont" (unless you're a Brit)--those names are reserved for women.

For example, I don't like George W. Bush. If I refer to him as a "prick" or an "asshole," would you interpret that as saying that I'm sexist and disrepect him because he's a man? No, of course not--it would sound weird to call him a "biatch." I don't like Hillary either. If I refer to her as a "biatch," why the hell would you interpret that as a sexist comment? Would it make sense to call her a "prick"?

I wish I didn't have to keep explaining this simple concept to simple people.

What i would have written were I not a complete lazy slob.

For me, it wasn't her refusal to apologize. It was the fact that she supported the war in the first place.

I'm still voting for RON PAUL.

Suicidal Writer: How many times has she been called a coont/biatch?

And how many times have we heard people saying that we should put Hillary in the White House because it's a historic opportunity to make a woman President?

I don't know the exact ratio, obviously, but if you were to compare the number of people who voted against her because she's a woman to the number of people who voted FOR her for the exact same reason, I suspect you'd have more or less a wash.

Same thing with Obama and race, I would say. The issues voters got behind Obama more than they did Clinton, and that's what made the difference.

CheddarPants: For me, it wasn't her refusal to apologize. It was the fact that she supported the war in the first place.


To err is human but the true test of one's character is the ability own up to it and move on. We've had 7 and a half years of a "leader" who flatly refused to admit to, and in turn correct, his missteps and poor judgment. I think we'd all rather not experience 4 more.

JerseyTim: ElQue: Sexism has become the rallying cry of the Clinton supporters. How many of them are voting for her just because she doesn't have dangly bits? How is that not the same thing? This entire argument is retarded. How many times outside of the internets do you hear people calling Hillary a biatch/coont? You're looking at a very small sample.

Undoubtedly, many Clinton supporters are backing her because of a desire to see a woman elected. However, the point made was that a lot of the reaction against Clinton is sexist to the degree that is more than it is acknowledged. There are separate issues.

These are different sides of the same issue. Some Clinton supporters are just supporting her because she's a woman. Some Obama/McCain/other supporters are against her because she's a woman. The entire issue is way farking overblown. This issue has become a "reason to vote" for Hillary and the manic part of her supporters. She has overplayed the sexist card.

On the contrary, 100% of Hillary's voters have never voted for a black man, or anybody else of a race other than Caucasian, for president.

Yes, Jesse Jackson probably never got even one of those votes when he ran for President...Obama is NOT the first black man to run for president or even win a primary for that matter, because as Bill Clinton pointed out..."Jesse Jackson won South Carolina..." in such in such year.

I just don't think you can say 100% with any certainty at all, but I hear what you are saying too.

Also, voting for another race because that is all that is available is not the same as voting for another race when there are options in your own.

I didn't like either candidate in 04' but I still chose to vote for one of them.

She lost my vote when she took more money from big pharmaceuticals than any other candidate, especially after all her work as 1st lady trying to get universal healthcare, shame on you Hillary, if you're reading this your a.....lame ass........i got nuthin

Cyberluddite: Suicidal Writer: How many times has she been called a coont/biatch? When people make derisive comments about her they are often focused on her gender.

See, we all have rude names for people we don't like. And those names tend to be assigned based on gender. We don't typically call women "dicks," or "assholes," or "douchebags," or "motherfarkers." Those names are reserved for men. We don't typically call a men "biatch" or a "coont" (unless you're a Brit)--those names are reserved for women.

For example, I don't like George W. Bush. If I refer to him as a "prick" or an "asshole," would you interpret that as saying that I'm sexist and disrepect him because he's a man? No, of course not--it would sound weird to call him a "biatch." I don't like Hillary either. If I refer to her as a "biatch," why the hell would you interpret that as a sexist comment? Would it make sense to call her a "prick"?

I wish I didn't have to keep explaining this simple concept to simple people.

1) Yeah...I came here to say that, but probably not as well.

2) Not apologizing is ONE of the reasons, and an important one. But let's not forget her campaign: Totally incompetent, fkn amateur hour. She conceitedly assumed it would be over by February, did not do groundwork in states she didn't think "mattered," hired a bunch of pricks (not biatches...PRICKS) like Wolfson, Ickes and supreme prick Mark Penn (who was unaware in the early stages that NO states in the Dem. primary are "winner take all" so he started them off with fkd-up math...)

...I could go, but you get the point...crying "sexism" is cheap bullshiat. Very Clintonian.

show us your tits, love

Suicidal Writer: There is probably more sexism than we are willing to admit. How many times has she been called a coont/biatch? When people make derisive comments about her they are often focused on her gender. Sexism isn't the only reason, but it was probably a factor.

Agreed. There are so many valid reasons to dislike her, yet many perseverated on appearance and overall biatchiness.

/iraq vote was the end of any support I might have for her
//would have voted for Edwards over her purely because he had the balls to admit mistake

CheekyMunky: I don't know the exact ratio, obviously, but if you were to compare the number of people who voted against her because she's a woman to the number of people who voted FOR her for the exact same reason, I suspect you'd have more or less a wash.

I seriously doubt it's anything close to a wash. Personally, I don't know anybody who would acknowledge, or that I would even suspect of, voting against her because she's a woman. On the other hand, virtually every person I know who voted for her, when I asked why they supported her, said something like "I think it's time for a woman to be president for a change." Indeed, until recently when she started playing up the "You hard-working, uneducated blue-collar Whities should vote for me instead of that elitist, uppity Negro" card, I would suspect that the majority of her support was from the "It's time for a Vagina-American President" crowd.

No, Hillary lost because George Soros supported Obama instead.

I don't think Clinton lost because of her history, I think she lost because her campaign was a total dud. You can tell by the idiots who represented her. Many of them are known by name and ridiculed constantly on these forums just for being total douches. I think she could have done a better job and she could have gone all the way to the white house. She had a hell of a head start, but she put all her eggs in the wrong baskets, played to the wrong crowd and expected it to come too damn easily.

I have yet to see any misogynistic attitudes towards Hillary Clinton on Fark from Obama's supporters.

Cyberluddite: CheekyMunky: I don't know the exact ratio, obviously, but if you were to compare the number of people who voted against her because she's a woman to the number of people who voted FOR her for the exact same reason, I suspect you'd have more or less a wash.

I seriously doubt it's anything close to a wash. Personally, I don't know anybody who would acknowledge, or that I would even suspect of, voting against her because she's a woman. On the other hand, virtually every person I know who voted for her, when I asked why they supported her, said something like "I think it's time for a woman to be president for a change."

I talked to four women - friends and relatives - about this. They pretty much said something along those lines.

Three of them have told me they wish they could go back and change their vote. The fourth has just said she's voting for the Dem, whoever it is.

soy_bomb: I have yet to see any misogynistic attitudes towards Hillary Clinton on Fark from Obama's supporters.

10/10

I'll be honest. Sexism is one of the reasons I won't vote for her. Not the biggest, that honor goes to her pandering and mudslinging antics. But Sexism played a part. I just can't vote for someone whose only reason reason for running is because they have a self-perceived weakness.

Hillary is the one bringing up her being a woman. Calling her a biatch and coont are (to me, anyway) insults based on distinguishing characteristics. If she was a guy, I'd call her a "shrill, uptight little bastard with an ugly-ass face." But as it is, she makes a point of showing off her uterus (I apologize for the visual, everyone).

I can understand old-school feminism: Making an environment where the best can be rewarded accordingly, whether male or female. I would willingly vote for a female president if I felt she could do the best job. We all know Hillary is one of the first, but is she the best? Most sexist women will have a hard time answering that truthfully.

Hillary Clinton, you lost because of your refusal to apologize for your Iraq vote you are Machiavellian, power mad, unqualified, and possess a sense of entitlement, NOT sexism.

fixed.

quickdraw: Hillary lost my vote forever the day she voted for the Iraq war. She's a freaking war monger ready to annihilate on a whim. Any woman with a draft age son would not trust her in the Whitehouse.

She lost my vote when she was running from Serbian snipers with pregnant war orphans clasped in one arm, drinking straight whiskey from a hollowed-out tree stump in the other.

If she'd been a man, she would have lost my vote when she was running from Serbian snipers.

Sorry, Hils, even my aged grandmother doesn't trust you.

ModernPrimitive01: She lost my vote when she took more money from big pharmaceuticals than any other candidate, especially after all her work as 1st lady trying to get universal healthcare, shame on you Hillary, if you're reading this your a.....lame ass........i got nuthin

Yep. The Iraq War thing... while I wish she'd actually read the classified National Intelligence Estimate like she was supposed to... she could have apologized and we could have moved on.

But, yeah. Being the #1 recipient of lobbyist dollars in the Senate? Particularly the pharmaceutical companies? And being proud of it. "They're important too!"

Of course, I thought the Clintons' 1993 health care plan was too far on the "handouts to insurance companies so they can continue making profits while the states are on the hook for actually sick people". That much hasn't changed.

I'd vote for her if she won fair and square. Who cares about the Iraq vote? We were all lied to.

Let's face it, nobody wants to vote for a moody, overly emotional cumdumpster that is plodding through menopause.

Ivor the Friendly Viking: I'll be honest. Sexism is one of the reasons I won't vote for her. Not the biggest, that honor goes to her pandering and mudslinging antics. But Sexism played a part. I just can't vote for someone whose only reason reason for running is because they have a self-perceived weakness.

Hillary is the one bringing up her being a woman. Calling her a biatch and coont are (to me, anyway) insults based on distinguishing characteristics. If she was a guy, I'd call her a "shrill, uptight little bastard with an ugly-ass face." But as it is, she makes a point of showing off her uterus (I apologize for the visual, everyone).

I can understand old-school feminism: Making an environment where the best can be rewarded accordingly, whether male or female. I would willingly vote for a female president if I felt she could do the best job. We all know Hillary is one of the first, but is she the best? Most sexist women will have a hard time answering that truthfully.

Nothing you said even sounds sexist. Wtf are you talking about?