... about time.

/... for pie.

so what's to stop Bush from (illegally) 'excusing' him like he has for others?

Majick Thise: so what's to stop Bush from (illegally) 'excusing' him like he has for others?

Or legally with one of his get out of jail free pardons that all prez's get to use on the way out.

In before 'witch hunt'.

This one could go to the Supreme Court to test executive privilege.

I'm not high-fiving anyone until I see something truly genuine.

Bag of Hammers: Or legally with one of his get out of jail free pardons that all prez's get to use on the way out.

If the President gives out pre-conviction pardons it does not prevent testimony from being coerced from the people he pardoned. If he gives them clemency after the conviction they can still claim 5th amendment protections against self-incrimination.

Majick Thise: so what's to stop Bush from (illegally) 'excusing' him like he has for others?

New legislation allowing a new president to reverse the excusals.
This is a good indication that eventually, someone, somewhere, will hang for the crimes of this party.

Or not, as Americans really don't care either way, long as they get their woolmort goodies, beer, and BBQ, they pretty much shut up and plug away.

I could sure go for a beer right now.

Titties!

Mmmmm... BBQ

vudukungfu: Or not, as AmericansPeople really don't care either way, long as they get their woolmort goodies, beer, and BBQ, they pretty much shut up and plug away.

Fixed that for you. Why do you think the government introduced so much 'left wing' legislation during the great depression?

If they hadn't, then there very well could have been a populist uprising, an American socialist revolution.

People don't riot when they are reasonably safe, have the ability to feed their family, and have a few creature comforts.

You people are slackers!1one!1



We will see where this goes...

Better than my headline.

+1

Unless he's in jail or dead, then I'm not satisfied.

IF he doesn't get out of it he will plead the 5th to every god damn question, or refuse to answer.


Porky Pig looking motherfarker. No wonder he is such an asshole. What girl was going to hit that pile of flab.

you should all get together in person to beat each other off.

Bag of Hammers: Or legally with one of his get out of jail free pardons that all prez's get to use on the way out.

Unless this gets dragged out into the next (hopefully Democrat) administration.

Code_Archeologist:

If the President gives out pre-conviction pardons it does not prevent testimony from being coerced from the people he pardoned. If he gives them clemency after the conviction they can still claim 5th amendment protections against self-incrimination.

Cite? I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just saying that (a) I've never heard of this, and (b) it doesn't make any sense to me considering that the Fifth Amendment privilege, to my knowledge, only applies when actual legal jeopardy is in play. Wouldn't the double jeopardy provision prevent any subsequent prosecution?

vudukungfu:

New legislation allowing a new president to reverse the excusals.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "excusals," but if what you're suggesting would in any way impinge on the President's constitutional authority to issue pardons, it could not be accomplished by mere legislation - an amendment would be required.

Good article but a real wimpy site.

Lots of censorship unlike Fark.

There was a stirring in the Fark, as if a million libs people who are tired of an over-secreative administraion working in the shadows suddenly high-fived each other

FTFY

I'm still waiting for the pigs on Animal Farm to get what's coming.

Ugh. What an awful headline. Can someone who cares more than me vote this down? I can't be bothered.

Lots of people use to think this idiot was a genius when in reality he was almost as big a screw up as Bush.

He's one of the great political failures in US history.

He'll just wave his hand at them & say "You will not ask me about...."

Bob16: Lots of censorship unlike Fark.

lolwut?

Majick Thise: so what's to stop Bush from (illegally) 'excusing' him like he has for others?

there are avenues congress can take that don't fall under the authority to pardon, like civil proceedings. i'm just kinda guessing, but i'd think that if it doesn't involve the DoJ and only involves congressional trial, it might fall under that category.

but i could very easily be wrong.

captain_napalm: you should all get together in person to beat each other off.

Maybe that's what you and your kind do when something good happens.

Me, not so much. But thanks for the great suggestion!

Bush will pardon him like he did Scooter Libby.


/sadly

vudukungfu: New legislation allowing a new president to reverse the excusals.

The Constitution does not explicitly state whether the President can rescind a pardon which has been granted, either by himself or by a predecessor, and as far as I know no President has ever tried.

By tradition, the courts have treated the acceptance of a presidential pardon as roughly equivalent to a guilty plea and a suspended sentence. I wonder if calling "do-over" would constitute double jeopardy, or if the processings would simply pick back up at the sentencing phase where criminal charges had been filed.

I'm actually glad this was held off so long...I want any resolution to come AFTER Bush is out of office. A lame-duck Bush would just wave his magic pardon wand, Obama certainly would not and McCain would be at least very reluctant to open his term by pardoning an unpopular political criminal strongly associated with the highly unpopular previous president.

The question is, will Congress have the balls to have him dragged in after he asserts the phony "uber-Executive Privilege"?

Tor_Eckman: captain_napalm: you should all get together in person to beat each other off.

Maybe that's what you and your kind do when something good happens.

Me, not so much. But thanks for the great suggestion!

You just basically said "I know you are, but what am I"?

Just sayin.

Oh shiat, cut that fat biatch open and let him spill the beans on GWB, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell (unfortunately, he got used, but he deliberately lied about the threat of Iraq, he knew better but he lied anyway. That's why he resigned, he wanted to get away from it. I also remember headlines a few years ago about how he could 'bring it all down.'

And that c*nt Pelosi.

sorry, but I have serious misgivings about the prospects of Rove actually being forced to do anything so long as Bush is in office.

No, the more tangible story for me is that former CIA #3 guy, Dusty Fogo is finally being indicted for banging hookers in return for sweet government contracts form his republican buddies.

BobtheFascist: He'll just wave his hand at them & say "You will not ask me about...."

Only works when discussing droids...

depmode98: sorry, but I have serious misgivings about the prospects of Rove actually being forced to do anything so long as Bush is in office.

No, the more tangible story for me is that former CIA #3 guy, Dusty Fogo is finally being indicted for banging hookers in return for sweet government contracts form his republican buddies.

Wait wait wait...

Step 1: Bang hookers
Step 2: Get government contracts from fatcat buddies
Step 3: Profit, maybe crack a beer, have a smoke, etc.

This begs the question: just how good was this guy at banging hookers that it was contract-worthy just to have him do it?

Farkin'round: Bush will pardon him like he did Scooter Libby.

Bush didn't pardon Libby. He 'commuted his sentence'; served no jail time but had to pay a hefty fine...which he could easily do thanks to all the money he saved up embezzling from Enron.

And if the case extends past Jan. (what day is it again, that the new prez takes over? the 4th or the 6th or the 20th) (which should be how the DOJ handles it, Rove might be the fall guy. Which is better than nothing. Swear to god tho it would be FANTASTIC if they treated these war criminals the same way they treat regular criminals: offer a lighter sentence if they fess up to others' involvements in crimes. You know, like how that girl who got caught with a bit of weed was used as an undercover informant in a sting and ended up dead. Check normal, it's been almost 2 weeks since it happened and I know for a fact they have it on the front page, just not the top story.

What are the odds on Rove pulling a Bud Dwyer? (no, not budweiser! Bud Dwyer!)

/squeal like a pig you fat son of a b*tch!

Good, but if nothing comes of it, I'm keeping my high fives to myself.

Farkin'round: Bush will pardon him like he did Scooter Libby.

(pic)

/sadly

Can Congress do anything to take Bush's ability to pardon people away from him?

depmode98: No, the more tangible story for me is that former CIA #3 guy, Dusty Fogo is finally being indicted for banging hookers in return for sweet government contracts form his republican buddies.

Cool.

cite?

Pardons for everyone*


*valid only for corrupt Republicans.

Pardons for some, little American flags for everyone else...

thesilence: Tor_Eckman: captain_napalm: you should all get together in person to beat each other off.

Maybe that's what you and your kind do when something good happens.

Me, not so much. But thanks for the great suggestion!

You just basically said "I know you are, but what am I"?

Just sayin.

I'm pretty sure that's the correct response to an insult on the level of "you're a poopy head".

snarltron: sorry, but I have serious misgivings about the prospects of Rove actually being forced to do anything so long as Bush is in office.

he can pardon someone after they've been convicted, but as far as I know, he can't like, decide to overrule the 3 branches of gubment and cancel a trial.

And that's the point of my last post, if the trial lasts longer than Bushs remaining days (oh it's Jan 20th I remember now) and he/they don't stage another false flag to declare martial law and suspend elections and outlaw buying guns, they might just leave him out to dry.

Or they could assassinate him before he testifies, to protect themselves.

MrGMan: Pardons for some, little American flags for everyone else...



♫Simpson! Homer Simpson! He's the greatest guy in history...♫
♫From the...town of Springfield...he's about to hit a chestnut tree!♫ AAAAH!

Kang: Kang or Thodos, it doesn't matter who you vote for. One of us will win!
Citizen which I forget: I'm voting 3rd party!
Kang: Oh sure, throw your vote away on a 3rd party!

Skleenar: depmode98: No, the more tangible story for me is that former CIA #3 guy, Dusty Fogo is finally being indicted for banging hookers in return for sweet government contracts form his republican buddies.

Cool.

cite?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/22/hookergate-update-indictment-against- ex -cia-3-dusty-foggo/ (new window)

thesilence: Tor_Eckman: captain_napalm: you should all get together in person to beat each other off.

Maybe that's what you and your kind do when something good happens.

Me, not so much. But thanks for the great suggestion!

You just basically said "I know you are, but what am I"?

Just sayin.

Sometimes you have to go to the classics.

Not to be a negative Nancy but nobody's catching that greased pig.

phillydrifter: Kang: Kang or Thodos, it doesn't matter who you vote for. One of us will win!
Citizen which I forget: I'm voting 3rd party!
Kang: Oh sure, throw your vote away on a 3rd party!

Woah. That's the worst Simpsons quoting I've ever seen.

Relatively Obscure: I'm not high-fiving anyone until I see something truly genuine.

Amen. But I will indulge in rubbing my hands together in glee.

phillydrifter:

he can pardon someone after they've been convicted, but as far as I know, he can't like, decide to overrule the 3 branches of gubment and cancel a trial.

Why not? Ford did.