The comments after that article are making my brain sad :(

I've noticed some pretty nasty comments at Politico these days.
In regards to Ted Kennedy, there are some comments over there that put Big Pink to shame.

Wow, she sure appreciated that hit job you did on Obama in that debate, eh, Georgie Steph?

The Media supressed information on Obama when he got into the race. The VOTERS the MEDIA the DEMOCRATIC PARTY all will share some blame because we shall have the worst two candidates in the democratic and republican parties applying for the presidency that we ever had. IMUS got dragged thru the mud when he uttered ONE WORD but the DEAN and the DEMOCRATIC PARTY --OBAMA's CAMP didn't object at all when the MEDIA and bloggers and the anti-Hillary people came out with obsene objects and statements targeting her. As a WOMAN I'm offended by all of this. But it's more than that---our democracy is fading away more and more.


This IS the best COMMENT BY far.

Yes, how DARE the media tell the truth for once?

hillbillypharmacist: This IS the best COMMENT BY far.

apparently our democracy is fading away by means of nominating the people who were democratically chosen. democracy is strange like that.

burndtdan: apparently our democracy is fading away by means of nominating the people who were democratically chosen. democracy is strange like that.

It's weird. Maybe she just needs to loose 5 lbs. from her butt?

cameroncrazy1984: It's weird. Maybe she just needs to loose 5 lbs. from her butt?

that's simply not possible in this stupid men world.

On the campaign trail, in a new ad and in her meetings with donors and superdelegates, she blasts the D.C. punditocracy for counting her out and urges anyone who'll listen to ignore the hardening storyline that places Obama as the Democratic presidential nominee.


I tried to think of something witty, but contemplating the sheer insanity of that statement has caused me to lose my happy thought, at least for the time being. Hillary is nuts. she's barking mad. She's actually telling people NOT to do the math for themselves, NOT to pay attention to people who speak the truth of the campaign season....that's arrogant. That's insane. And it isn't going to work.

Weaver95: And it isn't going to work.

But it might keep her out of the VP slot so we should give thanks and praise.

I always admire people who refrain from burning their bridges and just blow them up instead. It shows a certain panache.

quickdraw: Weaver95: And it isn't going to work.

But it might keep her out of the VP slot so we should give thanks and praise.

I always admire people who refrain from burning their bridges and just blow them up instead. It shows a certain panache.

I understand that she doesn't want to admit defeat. she's been planning this run for the white house since 1996 (at the very least). She made sacrifices, did deals, lined up doners and worked her ass off. This season is the perfect alignment to see a democrat in the white house. Once in a lifetime chance and all that.

And she blew it. Because of a lot of reasons, she's out of this race. You can say Obama ran the better campaign, or you can try to claim that the entire electorate is sexist....but really, Hillary lost this primary because she made a very simple, very basic mistake - she arrogantly assumed that she was the Chosen One. She assumed that everyone would vote for her. She believed that the nomination would be hers because it simply was not possible for her to lose. Obama saw that blind spot and exploited the hell out of it.

Now we're nearing the end of the race and Hillary is starting to realize she's lost this race. She is going to have to face the nation and concede to Obama. The only question is if this experience will finally shatter her sanity.

Weaver95: The only question is if this experience will finally shatter her sanity.

We can only hope. I for one would enjoy seeing a Hillary meltdown on live TV.

Weaver95: I understand that she doesn't want to admit defeat.

that's for sure.

Dread Pirate Slasher: Weaver95: The only question is if this experience will finally shatter her sanity.

We can only hope. I for one would enjoy seeing a Hillary meltdown on live TV.

I think she lacks the capacity to freak out in front of the camera. after a lifetime of public speaking and fronting for Bill Clinton, she could probably fake being calm long enough to give a quick, simple speech and get the hell off stage before breaking down into a slobbering lunatic paranoid racist rant about Obama.

Dread Pirate Slasher: We can only hope. I for one would enjoy seeing a Hillary meltdown on live TV.

That would be great. And then we could look at it on the YouTube.

GAT_00: Dread Pirate Slasher: We can only hope. I for one would enjoy seeing a Hillary meltdown on live TV.

That would be great. And then we could look at it on the YouTube.

Every time I wonder if Hillary is really insane, I go watch her 'bosnia sniper fire' story on youtube.

The late placement of the ad in Oregon is somewhat curious, since Obama is favored to win the state handily and since the state administers its elections by mail. By some estimates, as much as 60 percent of Democratic primary ballots have already been cast.

Par for the course. Since she planned on winning by only caring about primary states that voted on or before Super Tuesday (The United States That Matter), she hasn't the slightest fkn clue what to do in all those other pesky states.

"It's a resentment ploy, basically," he said. "That all the big boys are trying to push Hillary out of the race, that she's been treated unfairly by the Russerts and the Stephanopouloses."

Shouldn't that be the "Russerts and the Stephanopouli?"

h/t to Colbert

Weaver95: Every time I wonder if Hillary is really insane, I go watch her 'bosnia sniper fire' story on youtube.

A better question might be, who is more insane: Hillary, or those who wholeheartedly support her still?

Lionel Mandrake: "It's a resentment ploy, basically," he said. "That all the big boys are trying to push Hillary out of the race, that she's been treated unfairly by the Russerts and the Stephanopouloses."

Shouldn't that be the "Russerts and the Stephanopouli?"

is he spawning clones again?

GAT_00: Weaver95: Every time I wonder if Hillary is really insane, I go watch her 'bosnia sniper fire' story on youtube.

A better question might be, who is more insane: Hillary, or those who wholeheartedly support her still?



Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?

This is a right wing tactic... when all else fails blame the messenger.

Because People in power are Stupid: This is a right wing tactic... when all else fails blame the messenger.

eh, they didn't invent arguing with the refs, or killing the messenger.

Stupidity put and kept Bush in power for two terms. Now it's her turn, okay?

GAT_00: Weaver95: Every time I wonder if Hillary is really insane, I go watch her 'bosnia sniper fire' story on youtube.

A better question might be, who is more insane: Hillary, or those who wholeheartedly support her still?

Ok, we might as well discuss the pro-hillary whackjobs. First off, I don't think the 'true believers' dominate the subculture. Very few of that crowd really believe that Hillary is telling them the truth. Most of the people who support Hillary only do so because Hillary is representative of their personal ideology. She's a woman/socialist/republican/whatever, and despite her flaws as a human being and candidate, they support Hillary because Obama doesn't reflect their views (however deranged and mythological those might happen to be to the rest of the world). And the remainder support Hillary because they will NEVER vote for a black man as president.

So you've basically got three types of people who vote for hillary:

1. True Believers (the smallest group)
2. ideologues willing to make a deal with the devil (the majority)
3. racists.

That's the core group of Hillary voters, at least as near as I can tell.

Weaver95: That's the core group of Hillary voters, at least as near as I can tell.

What breakdown do you see as the core parts of Obama's supporters?

discount sushi: Weaver95: That's the core group of Hillary voters, at least as near as I can tell.

What breakdown do you see as the core parts of Obama's supporters?

Oh he has his core group of fanatics as well. But the bulk of Obama's support team are people that are sick of the 'business as usual' beltway insider attitude. Rightly or wrongly, they believe Obama will end the dismissive attitude of party insiders and influence peddlers in D.C. He's also convinced the black community that minority america no longer has to put up with the likes of al sharpton or jesse jackson, and that he's an alternative to their extortion schemes. Obama also has people on his side who've been betrayed by the Clintons. Or who are just sick of Bush and Clinton families trading the white house amongst themselves at the expense of the nation.

Obama's supporters are more difficult to classify. They're not all minorities, they're not all rich, or poor. they're left wing, moderate and independant. Obama's success isn't so much due to his ability to cross class and racial lines tho, it's more to do with the fact that he didn't assume ANYTHING about this campaign. He didn't 'demand' votes, he didn't 'assume' people would vote for him - he went out and he asked. He asked for voter support, he asked for money and he got people motivated. That went a long way towards getting him where he's at right now.

Weaver95: He asked for voter support, he asked for money and he got people motivated. That went a long way towards getting him where he's at right now.

I'm one of his supporters. I just can't really get a handle on classifying the rest of them.

I fall into the Chicago followers group. I know old people in rural IL that I didn't think would support him, but they do.

discount sushi: Weaver95: He asked for voter support, he asked for money and he got people motivated. That went a long way towards getting him where he's at right now.

I'm one of his supporters. I just can't really get a handle on classifying the rest of them.

I fall into the Chicago followers group. I know old people in rural IL that I didn't think would support him, but they do.

I think Obama's biggest strength is his message. All along he's been saying that 'washington d.c. is wrong. party insiders are wrong. I want to do something different'. I have no idea if he will actually manage to accomplish his stated goals, but he certainly does seem to believe in what he's saying. Hillary, on the other hand, looks like she's reading off a script that was carefully crafted by her analysts and designed by the best speechwriter/psychologists she could hire.

Ron Paul tried using the same tactic. He looked at the Republican party and spoke up about what he sees as evidence that the RNC has lost it's way. Unfortunatly, Ron Paul is not as charismatic as Obama. And the RNC rules worked against him from the very start. Like it or not, McCain was the Golden Child of the RNC elite from the very start. He doesn't deserve the job, and he would make a terrible president, but he's going to be the candidate.

Weaver95: So you've basically got three types of people who vote for hillary:

1. True Believers (the smallest group)
2. ideologues willing to make a deal with the devil (the majority)
3. racists.

That's the core group of Hillary voters, at least as near as I can tell.

4. Technophobes

Weaver95: He doesn't deserve the job, and he would make a terrible president, but he's going to be the candidate.

Given McCain's habit of voting against the RNC that surprised me. He does have the war hero record though. He's also willing to continue the Iraqi conflict. Oddly I agree with him that we could be there for a while.

so, she's preparing in her own cute way to endorse obama?

Democrats in 2000: "Count all the votes! Count all the votes! Don't give up!"

Democrats in 2008: "Don't count the votes from Florida and Michigan! We demand you quit NOW!"

discount sushi: Weaver95: He doesn't deserve the job, and he would make a terrible president, but he's going to be the candidate.

Given McCain's habit of voting against the RNC that surprised me. He does have the war hero record though. He's also willing to continue the Iraqi conflict. Oddly I agree with him that we could be there for a while.

he's also got that Keating Five thing going for him too. Just because he beat the rap don't mean he's clean.

randomjsa: Democrats in 2000: "Count all the votes! Count all the votes! Don't give up!"

Democrats in 2008: "Don't count the votes from Florida and Michigan! We demand you quit NOW!"

Um...that makes no sense. Florida and MI violated the party rules on how to run an election. break the rules = don't get counted.

Or do you believe that the rules shouldn't apply to Hillary?

burndtdan: cameroncrazy1984: It's weird. Maybe she just needs to loose 5 lbs. from her butt?

that's simply not possible in this stupid men world.

I bet she just needs some freaking cheesecake.

Why is anyone surprised at this? Why is it even news? This is what the Clinton's have done all their political lives. When they get their asses in hot water, they always blame the media. Doesn't anyone remember Hillabiatch's "ring wing media conspiracy" rant when Billy was running a cigar up Monica hoohah?

Blaming the media - it's the new last refuge of a scoundrel. With apologies to Samuel Johnson.

Because People in power are Stupid 2008-05-17 07:51:54 PM
This is a right wing tactic... when all else fails blame the messenger.

Riiiiight. Like all those, "Well what can you expect, it's NewsMax," or, "Ewww, more Fox News bullshiat" type comments that show up every time a source perceived as 'conservative' is posted on Fark.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

Weaver95: he's also got that Keating Five thing going for him too. Just because he beat the rap don't mean he's clean.

Good point. I was kinda young back then so I forget that he took part in it.

NYZooMan: Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

wait'll we catch McCain and Hillary sitting in a bar watching Obama getting sworn in as president. you'll see some hellish fury for sure then.

randomjsa: Democrats in 2000: "Count all the votes! Count all the votes! Don't give up!"

Democrats Fem-Nazi's in 2008: "Don't count the votes from Florida and Michigan follow the rules! We demand you quit NOW vagina vagina vagina!"

FTFY.

randomjsa: Democrats in 2000: "Count all the votes! Count all the votes! Don't give up!"

Democrats in 2008: "Don't count the votes from Florida and Michigan! We demand you quit NOW!"

Do you truly not know the difference?

discount sushi: Weaver95: he's also got that Keating Five thing going for him too. Just because he beat the rap don't mean he's clean.

Good point. I was kinda young back then so I forget that he took part in it.

he's done his best to cover his tracks on it too, but he was either corrupt as hell (and good at covering his tracks) or he was a clueless idiot who got used by more clever players.

hmmm, gee....stupid or corrupt - which makes for a better presidential candidate?

Weaver95: The only question is if this experience will finally shatter her sanity.

That day comes (if it comes) the day Obama picks Kathleen Sebelius (or McCaskill, or Napolitano, or ??) as his VP candidate and a substantial number of her die-hards are okay with it.

Weaver95: And the remainder support Hillary because they will NEVER vote for a black man as president.

So you've basically got three types of people who vote for hillary:

1. True Believers (the smallest group)
2. ideologues willing to make a deal with the devil (the majority)
3. racists.

Forget it.

They'll vote for Obama.

McCain's going to frighten a lot of people before November...

\\debates here we come!!!

Weaver95: hmmm, gee....stupid or corrupt - which makes for a better presidential candidate?

Haven't we had both rolled into one?

/shudders

discount sushi: Weaver95: hmmm, gee....stupid or corrupt - which makes for a better presidential candidate?

Haven't we had both rolled into one?

/shudders

I would prefer not to repeat that mistake. Ron Paul would have made for a decent president. He might have even gotten this country back on track. Damn shame it'll never happen.

Is she still talking?

bronyaur1: Is she still talking?

More like pleading.

Weaver95: More like pleading.

I'm gonna love seeing how her loan situation unfolds. I'm so glad she has no hope of VP and will just get stuck with the $20m.