I dunno, sounds a lot like John Kerry to me... When he called that reporter "sweetie" he didn't tho.

Kerry would not have "deigned to respond."

Obama will pound McCain into the ground like a tent peg.

co-conspirator: Obama will pound McCain into the ground like a tent peg.

one thing I liked about Obama's response- he managed to pull off righteously indignant without sounding like a douche.

burndtdan Fear-mongering Vote for me or I am the boogeyman and I will get you.

What could be scarier than John Mccain?

quickdraw: burndtdan Fear-mongering Vote for me or I am the boogeyman and I will get you.

What could be scarier than John Mccain?

mccain is scary, but just like in horror movies, the scariest monster is the one you never see (because it's a strawman built by john mccain)

I'm not really worried about McCain. Obama should be able to handle him fine.

P.S. Total Farkers, has the newsflash been blowing up this morning?

Now why would the Democrats and Obama just assume that anybody using the word, 'appeasement' is talking about them?

It's ALL fear mongering.

Dems try to make you fear what the Reps will do as much as vice versa.

Oh snap.

Incoming RLSM in 5. Other thread's winding down.

jjorsett: Now why would the Democrats and Obama just assume that anybody using the word, 'appeasement' is talking about them?

Because that's what you've been calling us pretty much non-stop over the past few years, whether it's for not wanting to invade Iraq or for wanting accountability in how the war is being waged.

The lack of actual quotes from the statements in question on a Politico blog makes me suspicious.

jjorsett: Now why would the Democrats and Obama just assume that anybody using the word, 'appeasement' is talking about them?

Dear lord, the new GOP tactic really is "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"

SemperLieSuckah: The lack of actual quotes from the statements in question on a Politico blog makes me suspicious.

Better article (new window)

FTA:

"It would be a wonderful thing if we lived in a world where we don't have enemies," the Arizona Republican said. "That's not the world we live in. And until Sen. Obama understands that reality, the American people have every reason to doubt whether he has strength, judgment and determination to keep us safe."

boozerman: P.S. Total Farkers, has the newsflash been blowing up this morning?

Depends on what you mean by blowing up. There's a dozen submissions about Ted Kennedy being rushed to the hospital with a possible stroke.

I wish he would say something to the effect that "The only thing that has been appeased over the last 8 years is the failed Bush foreign policy that you have blindly cheerleaded John McCain and the American people are not going to tolerate it any longer."

McCain looks like James Caan begging Annie not to break his ankles in that picture.

Bloody William: jjorsett: Now why would the Democrats and Obama just assume that anybody using the word, 'appeasement' is talking about them?

Dear lord, the new GOP tactic really is "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"

That's the clarity of execution that the "party of ideas" has always brought to the table.

Bloody William 2008-05-17 12:02:18 PM
jjorsett: Now why would the Democrats and Obama just assume that anybody using the word, 'appeasement' is talking about them?

Dear lord, the new GOP tactic really is "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"

Proverbs 28:1
The wicked flee when no man pursueth

/Not GOPer. The Republican leadership are corrupt dolts

Heard just now on the news. Ted Kennedy has been taken to Massachusetts General Hospital exhibiting symptoms of a stroke. Not a joke.

Bloody William: "Dear lord, the new GOP tactic really is "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"

And the Dems' response is: "Mom! The GOP's making faces at me!"

jjorsett: Bloody William 2008-05-17 12:02:18 PM
jjorsett: Now why would the Democrats and Obama just assume that anybody using the word, 'appeasement' is talking about them?

Dear lord, the new GOP tactic really is "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"

Proverbs 28:1
The wicked flee when no man pursueth

/Not GOPer. The Republican leadership are corrupt dolts

Heard just now on the news. Ted Kennedy has been taken to Massachusetts General Hospital exhibiting symptoms of a stroke. Not a joke.

Did he spill his drink?

/Let's make it a joke.

burndtdan: mccain is scary, but just like in horror movies, the scariest monster is the one you never see (because it's a strawman built by john mccain)




Man, reality's got some biatchin' special effects...

//Good thing it's not real, I was worried...

jjorsett: Now why would the Democrats and Obama just assume that anybody using the word, 'appeasement' is talking about them?

we covered this heartily in an earlier thread.

the white house admitted on more than one occasion that the remarks were about obama, carter, and other democrats. they specifically mentioned obama as early as last monday while reviewing the speech.

67 Beetle: Bloody William: "Dear lord, the new GOP tactic really is "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"

And the Dems' response is: "Mom! The GOP's making faces at me!"

What's wrong with calling them out for ridiculously overblown and maliciouos rhetoric?

Pfft. I'm not very worried about being kept safe. I'm worried about keeping my freedom. There are so many many many things that are more likely to kill me than a terrorist, I'd just as soon we repeal the Patriot Act and any other stupid law that was passed while the Conservatives were peeing themselves with fear. Oh, and the troops can all come home too. I will buy any one of them I run into a beer. Maybe 2.

SemperLieSuckah: Man, reality's got some biatchin' special effects...

//Good thing it's not real, I was worried...

that was rather non-sequitur, considering i was talking about him trying to scare people by calling democrats "appeasers"...

but i'm sure you're proud to be able to once again raise american tragedy to try and prove a meaningless political point. good job.

NYZooMan: It's ALL fear mongering.

Dems try to make you fear what the Reps will do as much as vice versa.

Yes, but if what you fear is that the republicans will continue to destroy the constitution and bankrupt the country with borrowing for war, don't you think your fears might be justified?

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: I'm worried about keeping my freedom.

Needed more emphasis.

/Me? I'm pissed off about losing my freedoms.

SemperLieSuckah: burndtdan: mccain is scary, but just like in horror movies, the scariest monster is the one you never see (because it's a strawman built by john mccain)
Man, reality's got some biatchin' special effects...

//Good thing it's not real, I was worried...

Isn't the top right the OKC bombing?

The problem is that these are works of terrorism. They are not acts to simply cause damage or hurt people, they are acts to provoke fear in the victims' society. By letting a few attacks provoke us until responding without restraint or thought, we are letting them win. They are achieving their goals when we respond in these ways.

And yet when Bin Laden demanded that we remove our troops from Saudi Arabia, and President Bush capitulated, that was somehow seen as an acceptable form of appeasement?

Biological Ali: Thanks.
It looks like another case of each side's response to the other being exaggerated. Yay commercial media.

Bloody William: Isn't the top right the OKC bombing?

No, that's Khobar Towers. They do look similar though...

Bloody William: The problem is that these are works of terrorism. They are not acts to simply cause damage or hurt people, they are acts to provoke fear in the victims' society. By letting a few attacks provoke us until responding without restraint or thought, we are letting them win. They are achieving their goals when we respond in these ways.

not to mention that americans using them to cause fear to score political points, and the fact that they are actually making the act of terrorism MORE successful than it otherwise might have been.

A - I've said this since all campaign, Obama learned from Kerry's mistake of not responding to attacks. Obama has done his best not to START negative attacks, but he's always responded quickly and forcefully.

Go back and look at all the back and forth between Clinton and Obama. Obama would respond THAT DAY to most attacks. Case in point - the "3 AM" add. Obama's camp had a response add out THAT day.

B - One thing that I haven't understood during this whole appeasement issue. One thing that I hope Obama is holding in his back pocket.

Bush attacke Obama and the Dems for saying they would meet with terrorists. But then the VERY NEXT DAY Bush goes begging to the Saudia's to increase oil production (new window)

You know, the same Saudia's that are our allies yet produced the 15 of the attackers on 9-11 (new window)

So who exactly is the one that meet with and begged terrorists??? The hypocricy of Bush is mind boggling.

I fear the fear mongering that's fearful of my fear of bears

SemperLieSuckah: Bloody William: Isn't the top right the OKC bombing?

No, that's Khobar Towers. They do look similar though...

Ah, my mistake. My general point stands, though.

We need to return to treating terrorism as a law enforcement issue, not a strictly military one. After the 1993 WTC bombing plot, we treated it as a law enforcement issue, and the planners were arrested. It's seven years after 9/11 and the only fruits we have from treating terrorism as a military issue is four thousand casualties, massive amounts of money down the drain, and no sign of the mastermind behind the plot.

NYZooMan: It's ALL fear mongering.

Dems try to make you fear what the Reps will do as much as vice versa.

Oh yes. All that hope and change Obama is offering must be terrifying.

jjorsett: Not GOPer. The Republican leadership are corrupt dolts

Glibertarian?

Bloody William: We need to return to treating terrorism as a law enforcement issue, not a strictly military one.

The difference between treating something as an international law-enforcement issue and a military issue is a matter of scale. In the 80's and 90's, terrorism was still relatively small and we were relatively uneffected by it. Now, there are literally millions of people involved in terrorist activities and it has become a mainstream way to engage in conflict. It is 4th Generation Warfare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Generation_Warfare). It is the successor to guerrilla conflict.

I don't mean to say this in an "OMG ur stupid" way, but anyone saying terrorism is a law-enforcement issue isn't very knowledgeable about terrorism as an academic subject.

Son_Dee: A - I've said this since all campaign, Obama learned from Kerry's mistake of not responding to attacks. Obama has done his best not to START negative attacks, but he's always responded quickly and forcefully.

Go back and look at all the back and forth between Clinton and Obama. Obama would respond THAT DAY to most attacks. Case in point - the "3 AM" add. Obama's camp had a response add out THAT day.

B - One thing that I haven't understood during this whole appeasement issue. One thing that I hope Obama is holding in his back pocket.

Bush attacke Obama and the Dems for saying they would meet with terrorists. But then the VERY NEXT DAY Bush goes begging to the Saudia's to increase oil production (new window)

You know, the same Saudia's that are our allies yet produced the 15 of the attackers on 9-11 (new window)

So who exactly is the one that meet with and begged terrorists??? The hypocricy of Bush is mind boggling.

Just so I have this right. Are you saying that Saudi Arabia is a terrorist nation because 15 or the attackers of 911 were Saudi?

Bloody William: We need to return to treating terrorism as a law enforcement issue, not a strictly military one. After the 1993 WTC bombing plot, we treated it as a law enforcement issue, and the planners were arrested. It's seven years after 9/11 and the only fruits we have from treating terrorism as a military issue is four thousand casualties, massive amounts of money down the drain, and no sign of the mastermind behind the plot.



I don't know why you'd say that. After all, look at how successful our trillions of dollars in military investment have protected us!

Good job making that point for me, SemperLieSuckah

I love that brave, brave man McCain -- now willing to say that the war will MOST DEFINITELY not double in length now that we're past the 5 year mark.

'5 years? I promise you, my friends, that we're at least half-way home. We will be out of Iraq before my 80th birthday come Hell or High Water!!!'

Jesus Christ.

"It would be a wonderful thing if we lived in a world where we don't have enemies," the Arizona Republican said. "That's not the world we live in. And until Sen. Obama understands that reality, the American people have every reason to doubt whether he has strength, judgment and determination to keep us safe."

This is yet another sad example of what is becoming known as the "old politics" in America. Not for a single second does John McCain truly believe that Obama thinks we live in a world without enemies. But still he throws a bullshiat line like this out there to reel in the dumbass demographic of the voting population.

The idea that "meeting" = "appeasing" is the scariest and most ridiculous political ideology to emerge in years. It was stupid when Bush said it and it's downright political suicide for McCain to parrot it. Keep on backing Bush, Johnny! He's political kryptonite -- more unpopular now than when Nixon left office.

The fearmongering won't work anymore, Republicans! Pull your heads out of your asses. At this point, another 9/11 wouldn't be worse for us than the Iraq war. It's sad that our trust in the Bush Admin. after a national tragedy was so brutally betrayed and taken advantage of. The GOP has been set back at least a decade, and these old fools act like they don't even know it, shoveling us the same shiat sandwich. IT'S OVER.

Random Reality Check: I don't know why you'd say that. After all, look at how successful our trillions of dollars in military investment have protected us!

Which one of those happened since 2001?

burndtdan: mccain is scary, but just like in horror movies, the scariest monster is the one you never see (because it's a strawman built by john mccain)

Really? Can you imagine anything more terrifying than waking up in the middle of the night with John Mccain leaning over you? Think of what poor Cindy endures. She needs all those drugs for a reason.

SemperLieSuckah: Man, reality's got some biatchin' special effects...
//Good thing it's not real, I was worried...

Oh you forgot one.

shower_in_my_socks: scariest and most ridiculous

Best description of the current administration EVAR!!!!!@1121!

McCain just can't help but lump himself in with Dubya. All Obama has to do is keep handing him rope from now until November.

Fantastic.

Semper Posts 9/11 pic

Can someone remind me how many of the 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq again? Iran?

Can someone remind me how many were Saudi?

For fun, can we talk about who was out there just this week appeasing the Saudi "King," lamenting the fact that we could not "Deliver the Iraq the Saudis want?"

SemperLieSuckah: Bloody William: We need to return to treating terrorism as a law enforcement issue, not a strictly military one.

The difference between treating something as an international law-enforcement issue and a military issue is a matter of scale. In the 80's and 90's, terrorism was still relatively small and we were relatively uneffected by it. Now, there are literally millions of people involved in terrorist activities and it has become a mainstream way to engage in conflict. It is 4th Generation Warfare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Generation_Warfare). It is the successor to guerrilla conflict.

Kind of funny what starting a war of conquest does to your image.