A re-posted comment from another thread:

I find that believable. Carter was just there and pissed a lot of people off.

It was still a stupid thing to bring our own politics into an address in a foreign nation.

/Can we give both Carter and Bush a spanking for this?
//Vote for me!

/Needs to make a "Summon Obamanuts" card for the replies to come.
//You know who you are.

You know what was funny?

Listening to RW talk radio today and hearing them protest that "Bush never said Obama! He didn't say Democrats!".

I mean, as if they thought people might believe them.

Then the best part was when one caller said "I think the Democrats protest too much. It's as if they know that what they want is so vile that they should be ashamed of it!"

Projection is usually the surest key to what is going on in these radio shows.

White House aides are acknowledging that this was a reference to the fact that Sen. Obama and other Democrats have publicly said that it would be ok for the U.S. President to meet with leaders like the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad. (new window)

Wait wait wait wait wait.

I'm supposed to believe Ed Gillespie now? Isn't he the guy that wanted to ban exit polling because it showed the true motivation behind the voting patterns of Republicans and exposed possible errors in counting in several contentious election districts in 2000 and 2004?

Yep, okay. Sure thing Ed. I'm sure you're just an impartial observer in all of this.

burndtdan: White House aides are acknowledging that this was a reference to the fact that Sen. Obama and other Democrats have publicly said that it would be ok for the U.S. President to meet with leaders like the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad. (new window)

Thanks burntdan:

Perino's comments contradict what Bush administration aides are admitting privately. As CNN's Ed Henry reported earlier today:

White House aides are acknowledging that this was a reference to the fact that Sen. Obama and other Democrats have publicly said that it would be ok for the U.S. President to meet with leaders like the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad.

NBC's John Yang also said that a White House official told him that Bush's comments were aimed not only at Obama, but at former President Jimmy Carter and his suggestion that the United States talk with Hamas.

Good thing you found out that anonymous White House officials have come forward to these reporters to say that Bush was indeed referring to Obama.

muck4doo: Good thing you found out that anonymous White House officials have come forward to these reporters to say that Bush was indeed referring to Obama.

according to msnbc (i can't remember who said it, don't feel like hunting down a video), the white house tipped the media off the day before the knesset that bush was going to be saying things that would make obama angry.

this whole "we weren't talking about obama" thing is nothing more than an incredibly transparent and childish ploy.

burndtdan: this whole "we weren't talking about obama" thing is nothing more than an incredibly transparent and childish ploy.

and yet people are buying it. Thats the saddest part.

Isn't this the same speech that Chris Matthews destroyed that RW radio host on? How the fark does this even make sense to say Obama will be an appeaser? I don't know of any statements that he has made that are appeasement, save perhaps any ones that have been taken out of context. Just more Dubya and company scare tactics.

SilentStrider: burndtdan: this whole "we weren't talking about obama" thing is nothing more than an incredibly transparent and childish ploy.

and yet people are buying it. Thats the saddest part.

Thank goodness we have politicians with the moxie to speak out against these types of underhanded comments and attempt to explain it to the people you described.

Biden was spot on when he said this statement was bullshiat.

burndtdan: muck4doo: Good thing you found out that anonymous White House officials have come forward to these reporters to say that Bush was indeed referring to Obama.

according to msnbc (i can't remember who said it, don't feel like hunting down a video), the white house tipped the media off the day before the knesset that bush was going to be saying things that would make obama angry.

this whole "we weren't talking about obama" thing is nothing more than an incredibly transparent and childish ploy.

You're going to need a link to that. Or is this an "anonymous sources" told a now "anonymous reporter" something on an "anonymous network(think it might be MSNBC)" that an "Anonymous Guy on teh internet" says that yeah, "Bush's people told MSNBC the day before that Bush was going to say something to piss off Obama but I don't remember where I heard it" is good enough evidence?

/Sorry for the run-on sentence.
//It was needed though.

onecrazylay: Biden was spot on when he said this statement was bullshiat.

when/where'd he do that? I've not heard this. Got a link?

muck4doo: You're going to need a link to that.

fine, i found it.

"here's where the phrase 'hmmm...' comes to mind, because since monday, senior administration officials other than mr. gillespie had been previewing the language of mr. bush's speech by telling NBC news that 'eyebrows would be raised' by specifically mentioning senator obama by name, even by predicting by our white house correspondent john yang would get on nightly news with a story about bush's remarks on thursday night."

SilentStrider: when/where'd he do that? I've not heard this. Got a link?

"This is bullshiat. This is malarkey. This is outrageous. Outrageous for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, sit in the Knesset ... and make this kind of ridiculous statement," Biden said angrily in a brief interview just off the Senate floor. (^)

burndtdan: muck4doo: You're going to need a link to that.

fine, i found it.

That seems par for the course for those people.

GAT_00: burndtdan: muck4doo: You're going to need a link to that.

fine, i found it.

That seems par for the course for those people.

those people? who? reporters on msnbc?

burndtdan: GAT_00: burndtdan: muck4doo: You're going to need a link to that.

fine, i found it.

That seems par for the course for those people.

those people? who? reporters on msnbc?

No, the administration.

burndtdan: muck4doo: You're going to need a link to that.

fine, i found it.

"here's where the phrase 'hmmm...' comes to mind, because since monday, senior administration officials other than mr. gillespie had been previewing the language of mr. bush's speech by telling NBC news that 'eyebrows would be raised' by specifically mentioning senator obama by name, even by predicting by our white house correspondent john yang would get on nightly news with a story about bush's remarks on thursday night."

Watch it again. She says that "Secret White House" agents told MSNBC news that.....

/You're a smarter guy than that Burndtdan.
//Like I said. "anonymous source told anonymous reporter..."

muck4doo: Watch it again. She says that "Secret White House" agents told MSNBC news that.....

/You're a smarter guy than that Burndtdan.
//Like I said. "anonymous source told anonymous reporter..."

no, she didn't.

muck4doo: Watch it again. She says that "Secret White House" agents told MSNBC news that.....

/You're a smarter guy than that Burndtdan.
//Like I said. "anonymous source told anonymous reporter..."

Fine, someone inside the administration leaked that obviously, because who else would have known? Those statements were intentionally inflammatory, and they wanted to make damn sure people were watching.

GAT_00: burndtdan: GAT_00: burndtdan: muck4doo: You're going to need a link to that.

fine, i found it.

That seems par for the course for those people.

those people? who? reporters on msnbc?

No, the administration.

lol, i agree. it seems like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

/i really wasn't sure what you meant by your last post, i was confused

burndtdan: lol, i agree. it seems like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

/i really wasn't sure what you meant by your last post, i was confused

No big, glad to clarify. The statement was vague.

burndtdan: muck4doo: Watch it again. She says that "Secret White House" agents told MSNBC news that.....

/You're a smarter guy than that Burndtdan.
//Like I said. "anonymous source told anonymous reporter..."

no, she didn't.

You're correct. It was "Secret Top Senior White House Officials". And I guess they went straight to the Keith Olbermann show.

muck4doo: You're correct. It was "Secret Top Senior White House Officials". And I guess they went straight to the Keith Olbermann show.

onecrazylay: "This is bullshiat. This is malarkey. This is outrageous. Outrageous for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, sit in the Knesset ... and make this kind of ridiculous statement," Biden said angrily in a brief interview just off the Senate floor. (^)

thanks. I knew I liked Biden for a reason.

burndtdan: muck4doo: You're correct. It was "Secret Top Senior White House Officials". And I guess they went straight to the Keith Olbermann show.

Awww, you posted a picture. I guess that makes your "Secret Top Senior White House Officials" tells secret reporter at MSNBC's Keith Olbermann's show story validated and true. Good for you! Now you are your using the head God gave you.

/Let's all sound clever and say "hmmmm..."

SilentStrider: thanks. I knew I liked Biden for a reason.

He has his moments, I'll give him that.

muck4doo: Awww, you posted a picture. I guess that makes your "Secret Top Senior White House Officials" tells secret reporter at MSNBC's Keith Olbermann's show story validated and true. Good for you! Now you are your using the head God gave you.

/Let's all sound clever and say "hmmmm..."

Aww, you criticize the comment but not the message. Guess you have to acknowledge that they were just making sure as many people as possible were watching, as they intended, hence the leaks. Guess you have to acknowledge that the message was pointlessly inflammatory and horribly executed.

GAT_00: SilentStrider: thanks. I knew I liked Biden for a reason.

He has his moments, I'll give him that.

muck4doo: Awww, you posted a picture. I guess that makes your "Secret Top Senior White House Officials" tells secret reporter at MSNBC's Keith Olbermann's show story validated and true. Good for you! Now you are your using the head God gave you.

/Let's all sound clever and say "hmmmm..."

Aww, you criticize the comment but not the message. Guess you have to acknowledge that they were just making sure as many people as possible were watching, as they intended, hence the leaks. Guess you have to acknowledge that the message was pointlessly inflammatory and horribly executed.

Yes. We must acknowledge these messages that secret "Senior White House Officials" are giving to the secret reporters at Keith Olbermanns show. It's a conspiracy to make sure as many people are watching as possible. If it gets air time on MSNBC, you know as many people as possible will be reached.

Jon Snow: muck4doo



I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!

I wouldn't expect anything more than that kind of response from you. You got some charts or something to relate this to global warming?

/Or are you going to cry again that I'm picking on you?

Guys, Bush's comments just happened to echo the right-wing talking points about Obama. The White House spokesperson said that it wasn't about Obama, and when has a White House spokesperson ever been untruthful?

muck4doo: I wouldn't expect anything more than that kind of response from you.

Something relevantly sourced? Thanks! I do try to maintain that standard.

You got some charts or something to relate this to global warming?

I'm sorry that your ideology caused you to be retarded about science. I've been trying to help you guys for a long time. I'm still happy to discuss radiative forcing, water vapor-and-ice-albedo feedbacks with you, or the roots of the talking points you so unfortunately apd. Either way, cheers!

/Or are you going to cry again that I'm picking on you?

No one can "pick on me". People such as yourself have tried to troll me by stalking me in political threads and whinging about global warming (as you're doing here) or going into science threads and performing the inverse.

I don't care for hangers on, much less of the creepy male attention-whore variety. Rather than start this meaningless drama again, why don't you go chase the shirttails of someone else? I get enough attention from weirdos on Fark as it is. There seem to be plenty of people that have no problem insulting your political beliefs. Why don't you follow them around Fark and criticize their take on cosmological unity?

Jon Snow: muck4doo: I wouldn't expect anything more than that kind of response from you.

Something relevantly sourced? Thanks! I do try to maintain that standard.

You got some charts or something to relate this to global warming?

I'm sorry that your ideology caused you to be retarded about science. I've been trying to help you guys for a long time. I'm still happy to discuss radiative forcing, water vapor-and-ice-albedo feedbacks with you, or the roots of the talking points you so unfortunately apd. Either way, cheers!

/Or are you going to cry again that I'm picking on you?

No one can "pick on me". People such as yourself have tried to troll me by stalking me in political threads and whinging about global warming (as you're doing here) or going into science threads and performing the inverse.

I don't care for hangers on, much less of the creepy male attention-whore variety. Rather than start this meaningless drama again, why don't you go chase the shirttails of someone else? I get enough attention from weirdos on Fark as it is. There seem to be plenty of people that have no problem insulting your political beliefs. Why don't you follow them around Fark and criticize their take on cosmological unity?

LOLZ. You've followed me on the last few. I left your ass alone, and have ignored your posts on threads we have recently both posted together on. I actually felt bad for you after your last "quit picking on me" post. Keep it up Jon. I'll ignore you on every thread, but if you want to keep making replies to any of my comments that have nothing to do with you, expect me to comment back.

/And don't cry about it next time.

muck4doo: You've followed me on the last few.

I am not following you anywhere. Please focus your obsessiveness on someone else.

Thank you.

I'll ignore you on every thread

I'll take that as a promise. Thanks!

/And don't cry about it next time.

I understand that you can't tell when you're bothering other people, but my suggestions/requests/posts publicly calling you out are a not so subtly way to not "cry" but inform you that you are creepy. I can certainly deal with that- I'm by no means feeling threatened physically- heh. I'd bet good money on reasons why. But that's not the point. Consider it just a friendly tip that doesn't seem to stick: When someone says "knock off the creepy stalking", try it. If for no other reason than a change of pace.

It doesn't matter if President Bush was talking about Obama directly. What matters is he compared anyone who wants to use diplomacy as a strategy against our possible enemies to Nazi appeasers. Given Obama's position on meeting with leaders of these groups he has every right to attack the President for his statements.

The White House is basically saying "The President was not attacking Obama; he was just attacking his principles." You can't have it both way folks.

"Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate." -JFK

Jon Snow: muck4doo: You've followed me on the last few.

I am not following you anywhere. Please focus your obsessiveness on someone else.

Thank you.

I'll ignore you on every thread

I'll take that as a promise. Thanks!

/And don't cry about it next time.

I understand that you can't tell when you're bothering other people, but my suggestions/requests/posts publicly calling you out are a not so subtly way to not "cry" but inform you that you are creepy. I can certainly deal with that- I'm by no means feeling threatened physically- heh. I'd bet good money on reasons why. But that's not the point. Consider it just a friendly tip that doesn't seem to stick: When someone says "knock off the creepy stalking", try it. If for no other reason than a change of pace.

When you can stop being a stupid emo "internet tough guy" twit for a few minutes, look upthread and look at who first addressed who. You're a farking joke that always gets hurt when someone dares challenge your great "so called intellect". You're nothing but an insecure joke of a wannabe elitist that couldn't graduate beyond "Fark" on pushing your self deluded superior views on those you believe below you.

muck4doo: You're a farking joke that always gets hurt when someone dares challenge your great "so called intellect". You're nothing but an insecure joke of a wannabe elitist that couldn't graduate beyond "Fark" on pushing your self deluded superior views on those you believe below you.

pro·jec·tion (prə-jĕk'shən)

Psychology.

1. The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or suppositions to others: "Even trained anthropologists have been guilty of unconscious projection-of clothing the subjects of their research in theories brought with them into the field" (Alex Shoumatoff).
2. The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or desires to someone or something as a naive or unconscious defense against anxiety or guilt.

I really can't believe that, especially in an election year, they're pretending the speech wasn't aimed at the Democratic nominee. Wow.

Golf clap subby

/loves NIN
//not so fond of slashies though

muck4doo

You know how I know you're an angry moron?

You use extraneous quotation marks and no hyphens. It's always a giveaway.

muck4doo: look upthread and look at who first addressed who

I can comment in threads without the psychodrama that requires you to make it personal. I thought I made that clear the last time I ran into you.

You can arbitrarily call me a farktard. I won't care. Just stop following me from thread to thread with your own baggage. Deal? If I promise to never respond to another post of yours again because you can't keep such a basic bargain, that is fine with me.

You're a farking joke that always gets hurt when someone dares challenge your great "so called intellect".

I leave my personal life and profession out of things and instead source my statements. Who I am and what I do/have done are not a part of my arguments. I have set myself up so that I cannot pull an appeal to authority.

You're nothing but an insecure joke of a wannabe elitist that couldn't graduate beyond "Fark" on pushing your self deluded superior views on those you believe below you.

I'm going to have to agree with the call by Donald_McRonald. I -let me bold this for you- source statements so as not to hint at or confuse an argument from authority.

If I was looking to be an "elitist (can't do better than Hillary's talking points? Weak)" that was on some sort of kick to get recognition for my "self deluded superior views", I've certainly gone about it in the worst possible way.

I don't care if anyone thinks I'm right. I care that people get sourced information from places other than think tanks.

InternetLOL: muck4doo

You know how I know you're an angry moron?

You use extraneous quotation marks and no hyphens. It's always a giveaway.

Oh. I guess I should appear more intellectual and state "I'm by no means feeling threatened physically- heh. I'd bet good money on reasons why."

If I had only put those hyphens and quotation marks in the right place,I would look more like an intellectual internet tough guy. Thanks for the advice.

I don't think it matters if he was talking about Jimmy Carter or Obama. The point is that he broke a longlasting rule of American politics by bringing partisan bickering overseas and tried to make the democrats look bad.

And seriously, when did "diplomacy" become such a swear word? Its almost hard to remember what life was like before the bushes. (only 22 y/o)

muck4doo: Oh. I guess I should appear more intellectual and state "I'm by no means feeling threatened physically- heh. I'd bet good money on reasons why."

If I had only put those hyphens and quotation marks in the right place,I would look more like an intellectual internet tough guy. Thanks for the advice.

I don't care how tough you look, it's just a correlation I've noticed. People who feel the need to emphasize their sarcasm with quotation marks (and put them in the wrong places to boot) and forget to hyphenate in the same post are always angry and almost always morons.

Jon Snow: muck4doo: look upthread and look at who first addressed who

I can comment in threads without the psychodrama that requires you to make it personal. I thought I made that clear the last time I ran into you.

You can arbitrarily call me a farktard. I won't care. Just stop following me from thread to thread with your own baggage. Deal? If I promise to never respond to another post of yours again because you can't keep such a basic bargain, that is fine with me.

You're a farking joke that always gets hurt when someone dares challenge your great "so called intellect".

I leave my personal life and profession out of things and instead source my statements. Who I am and what I do/have done are not a part of my arguments. I have set myself up so that I cannot pull an appeal to authority.

You're nothing but an insecure joke of a wannabe elitist that couldn't graduate beyond "Fark" on pushing your self deluded superior views on those you believe below you.

I'm going to have to agree with the call by Donald_McRonald. I -let me bold this for you- source statements so as not to hint at or confuse an argument from authority.

If I was looking to be an "elitist (can't do better than Hillary's talking points? Weak)" that was on some sort of kick to get recognition for my "self deluded superior views", I've certainly gone about it in the worst possible way.

I don't care if anyone thinks I'm right. I care that people get sourced information from places other than think tanks.

*rolls eyes*

Jon, really, fark off. I've been ignoring you. You decided once again to go after me(this is like the third thread you have done that, and you now act shocked when I finally responded), I went back at you, and now you are acting like a pussy again. Look upthread. That's all I will say. You started it. You cried and cried that I was picking on you, so I left you alone. You made rude comments here and there, I ignored them. Now that I have responded, I am "stalking" you...fark off Jon Snow. You're a paranoid dipshiat that is too insensitive for his own good. Go be an internet tough guy douche somewhere else.

onecrazylay: SilentStrider: when/where'd he do that? I've not heard this. Got a link?

"This is bullshiat. This is malarkey. This is outrageous. Outrageous for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, sit in the Knesset ... and make this kind of ridiculous statement," Biden said angrily in a brief interview just off the Senate floor. (^)

So, Obama and Co. are angry because President Bush falsely implied that Senator Obama supports unconditional talks with Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, etc.?

muck4doo: A re-posted comment from another thread:

I find that believable. Carter was just there and pissed a lot of people off.

It was still a stupid thing to bring our own politics into an address in a foreign nation.

/Can we give both Carter and Bush a spanking for this?
//Vote for me!

/Needs to make a "Summon Obamanuts" card for the replies to come.
//You know who you are.

Yeah, reasonable, informed, young people looking for change. We know who we are too. Although some people take it too far, there are idiots in every movement. The plan to paint Obama supporters as cultists is remarkable demonstration of the effect magical thinking can have on people. If you keep saying we're a cult, we're a cult to some people. Just because we don't buy the bullshiat "problems" with Obama the media has put forward. I'm not saying the man is perfect, but come on. Wright, Bittergate, "sweetie," lame lame lame. They said Bill Clinton farking murdered people and these are the best things on Obama you can come up with? It's seriously a great indication that he is cleaner than the common politician. Certainly the best presidential candidate I've seen in my lifetime (Born in 86).

muck4doo: I am "stalking" you...fark off Jon Snow. You're a paranoid dipshiat that is too insensitive for his own good. Go be an internet tough guy douche somewhere else.

You're coming off as way, way creepier than he is. Not to mention dim.

I saw the footage yesterday somewhere and couldn't believe Bush did that. Both saying those things in a foreign nation on a day when they're trying to celebrate, AND that it was aimed at the Democratic nominees, I mean.

Didn't Hillary and/or McCain and/or the media already jump all over Obama for saying he'd meet with certain "no no" foreign leaders anyways?

Obdicut: muck4doo: I am "stalking" you...fark off Jon Snow. You're a paranoid dipshiat that is too insensitive for his own good. Go be an internet tough guy douche somewhere else.

You're coming off as way, way creepier than he is. Not to mention dim.

Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment.

/You should go take tough internet guy lessons with Jon Snow.