Well, they're not, they're basically Jordanians.

ok, i'll bite. If you look at a world map from before 1948 what does it say where Israel is now?

SushiJoe: ok, i'll bite. If you look at a world map from before 1948 what does it say where Israel is now?

"Here there be monsters"

I'm assuming the quote used in the headline must be buried in the comments somewhere...

This isnt the BBC, its a reader comment.

elchip: Well, they're not, they're basically Jordanians.

This statement is weird as you have this pile of people around the failing/failed ottoman empire, moving to concepts of nationstate.

Nation building, of course, was a concomitant European idea which was birthed out of (often) multi-ethnic empires in the 19th and early 20th centuries. The move for Syria, Jordan, Iraq, etc. fit under this.

Calling them "Jordanians" is weird as it divorces their post WWI pre-state national aspirations and places it on a country that wasn't developed.

This thread is going to have the usual twists in it.
• Its empty (But, somehow, those non-existent arabs were a threat)
• Immigrants (Jewish and Arab) without discussing the whole corpus of work on this subject. What were the mandate people struggling with on illegal immigration?
• Map of TransJordan, but dont cover the how (and when) the british split the mandate.

Should someone summon Tatsuma just to get it over with?

Yeah, they don't exist. It's all a Hollywood back lot.

SushiJoe: ok, i'll bite. If you look at a world map from before 1948 what does it say where Israel is now?

"Pepsico Presents Palestine"

How did this get green lit it's not even an article.

And Where is that picture of "Aw not this Shiat again!" Face palm

docmattic: Should someone summon Tatsuma just to get it over with?

I don't think it'll do any good. I think he's on one of his periodic sabbaticals (no pun intended).

"No matter how much left wing propaganda or hijacked UN resolutions are aimed at creating this myth of Palestine and the Palestinian people, history cannot be changed."

It worked for Israel.

Sounds about right, they're just suffering from mass delusion and going mad about nothing because they're sub-human.
/ahh it's so much easier 'splainin things the conservative way

SushiJoe: ok, i'll bite. If you look at a world map from before 1948 what does it say where Israel is now?

You know who else dehumanized people and forced them to live in walled off ghettos?

Annex it into Israel. Call it "Palistein". And shoot a season of MTV's REAL WORLD there.

QU!RK1019: SushiJoe: ok, i'll bite. If you look at a world map from before 1948 what does it say where Israel is now?

I played Zelda for years because it was the only NES game I owned with any real replay value, and I have no fecking clue what that grey area is near the 7th level dungeon.

For the longest time, I thought the Golan Heights was a place in NYC where street basketball was played.

vernonFL: You know who else dehumanized people and forced them to live in walled off ghettos

The National Party South African government between 1948 and 1994?

Murkanen: I played Zelda for years because it was the only NES game I owned with any real replay value, and I have no fecking clue what that grey area is near the 7th level dungeon.

The mythical land of Palestinia!

vernonFL: You know who else dehumanized people and forced them to live in walled off ghettos?

Eisenhower when he had poor neighborhoods razed to put up the Interstate system?

vernonFL:

You know who else dehumanized people and forced them to live in walled off ghettos?

FDR?

/I'd have said the other white guy, but that tends to get you labeled an anti-semite in these parts

SushiJoe: ok, i'll bite. If you look at a world map from before 1948 what does it say where Israel is now?

The British Empire.

Isn't that comment a lot like talking about the "myth" of the Choctaw Nation?

The admins are so desperate to troll and generate page clicks that they greenlight a feedback comment? Wow.

Go Fast Turn Left: For the longest time, I thought the Golan Heights was a place in NYC where street basketball was played.

It isn't? That shatters my entire universe.

Degree Absolute: Go Fast Turn Left: For the longest time, I thought the Golan Heights was a place in NYC where street basketball was played.

It isn't? That shatters my entire universe.

I always wondered why I didn't see the And-1 people there.

Oh, god...this is gonna be bad.

/Holds on

Party Boy: This thread is going to have the usual twists in it.

I'm going to leave, as this has all been discussed ad nauseum before

• Its empty (But, somehow, those non-existent arabs were a threat)[2007-04-02 03:18:44 PM- down][2006-11-01 01:39:12 PM - down]
• Immigrants (Jewish and Arab) without discussing the whole corpus of work on this subject. What were the mandate people struggling with on illegal immigration? (see above)
• Map of TransJordan, but dont cover the how (and when) the british split the mandate.[2006-06-28 04:55:48 PM - down]

another.
• Why did Palestinian Nationalism decline after first Arab-Israeli War in 1948, and why did it re-emerge after the 1967 War?
• Early Arab-Jewish conflicts
Actually, that pro-con site is really brief, but helpful. While its really brief, I bet it covers most of this.

/later

This is a lot like the myth of the female orgasm mixed in with "I am the Wall, Russ" a la Kieth Richards.

QU!RK1019: The mythical land of Palestinia!

Hah. I spotted the raft launching point which triggered my memory. The gray area is the 7th level dungeon, the other area I mentioned was the 5th level dungeon.

/I always liked the 2nd level dungeon boss
//not because it was easy, but because stuffing hand grenades down a triceratops' throat just looked cool to me when I was 10

Hey, there's a mistake in the headline for this thread. It should say,

"Subby is a hypocritical propagandist trolling douche who's trying to hijack Fark with a bullshiat headline"

Because I just said it the comments, so that's what this thread is about.

Come to Israel, see what happens when you have no control over immigration and the immigrants are not asked to integrate with the current population.

/Is it a troll when you state that it is a troll?

The Palestinians have a homeland. It's called Jordan. Granted, it is not the entirety of the British Colonial Territory of Palestine, but it is not nothing either. Problems with this should be taken up with King Abdullah, not Israel. I think payment for the land area of Israel has been made many times over in Blood and Treasure, so Palestinians wishing recompense for land they lost in '48 should seek remuneration from the neighboring governments responsible for the various unsuccessful wars to drive the Jews back into the sea.

/ Both sides suck
/ Widen the Suez til it touches the Persian Gulf

Degree Absolute:

The British Empire.

I said we're sorry, damn it.

docmattic Should someone summon Tatsuma ...?

Oy! This!

Hello children, come with me to The Land of Make Believe Palestine!

Zionists make racist, anti-nationalist claims to justify their crimes.
Sane people point out the situation is a construct of their own actions.
Zionists make religious claims to justify their crimes.
Sane people can refute religious claims by simply denying acknowledgment of their god.
Endless...

More like the myth of the United States.

You can't have some of the world's best tech, nukes, and a rabid alliance with the biggest military spender on Earth and claim to be the victim. Especially when your genotype doesn't match everyone else who's been living there for a couple of thousand years...

fernt

Do Israeli bulldozers really rock the Star of David or is that just a little sensationalism?

TypoFlyspray: The Palestinians have a homeland. It's called Jordan. Granted, it is not the entirety of the British Colonial Territory of Palestine, but it is not nothing either. Problems with this should be taken up with King Abdullah, not Israel. I think payment for the land area of Israel has been made many times over in Blood and Treasure, so Palestinians wishing recompense for land they lost in '48 should seek remuneration from the neighboring governments responsible for the various unsuccessful wars to drive the Jews back into the sea.

There's the pro-ethnic cleansing angle...

So if Palestine doesn't exist, does this mean that creating a Palestinian state is "appeasement?"

George Bush and John McCain support the creation of a Palestinian state. Are they "appeasers?"

The conflict really goes back longer than 1948, but you'll hardly see much talk about that.

/I'm not sure a Palestinian state (1967 borders) would be big enough to be viable

Jews deserve Israel because of Hitler. End of story.

It makes no sense spend 150,000 American lives to keep Hitler from killing all the Jews if later we were just gonna sit around and watch the Arabs do it.

From a practical standpoint it's better for the US to have an Israeli state in the Middle East because option 2 is to have it here. No thanks.

danlpoon:
From a practical standpoint it's better for the US to have an Israeli state in the Middle East because option 2 is to have it here. No thanks.

Obviously you've never been to Borough Park, Brooklyn.
/And how subtly racist of you...

danlpoon: Jews deserve Israel because of Hitler. End of story.

It makes no sense spend 150,000 American lives to keep Hitler from killing all the Jews if later we were just gonna sit around and watch the Arabs do it.

From a practical standpoint it's better for the US to have an Israeli state in the Middle East because option 2 is to have it here. No thanks.

Ouch. Started off strong and ended with a NIMBY.

danlpoon: It makes no sense spend 150,000 American lives to keep Hitler from killing all the Jews if later we were just gonna sit around and watch the Arabs do it.

If you think we entered WWII to save the Jews you probably think the Civil War was fought to end slavery.

Another fine product of our useless "educational" system.