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(Some Guy) Cool McCain and Clinton: We can't do anything about swiftboating third party attack groups. Obama: We're shutting down pro-Obama attack groups that stray off-message. Have a nice day   (donklephant.com) divider line 148
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Atillathepun [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 12:38:04 AM  
The guy is walking the walk.

 
King Something [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 12:54:26 AM  
He ain't just walking the walk, he's running, marching, hop-skip-jumping, trotting, moonwalking and dancing the walk.

 
cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 12:55:45 AM  
My God, it's full of awesome.

 
RichieLaw [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 01:04:25 AM  
Awesomeness the size of awesome.

/I do believe that if he doesn't win this election, I will, for the first time be disillusioned with my country.
//Yes, I've been under a rock.
///It was granite.
////Republican.

 
robsul82 [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 01:35:46 AM  
Good on you, Obama. Your strategy makes me nervous, considering what a "respectful campaign" is defined as by John McCain, but.

 
Atillathepun [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 01:57:37 AM  
robsul82: Good on you, Obama. Your strategy makes me nervous, considering what a "respectful campaign" is defined as by John McCain, but.

The thing is, Obama seems to have made sure that the money what would otherwise go to these groups is going to go directly to his group, and if one thing has been certain about his campaign is that his people have done a superlative job at organizing. While Obama himself might have slipped some (bitter, Wright, etc.,) his staff really haven't made any strategic mistakes or had any backbiting.

 
quickdraw [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 09:47:05 AM  
robsul82: Good on you, Obama. Your strategy makes me nervous, considering what a "respectful campaign" is defined as by John McCain, but.

There really isn't any other way to dismantle the old creaking absurdly partisan system that the boomers built. It has to go. Not just because of a hopeful vision of a more functional democracy but because it is out of date.

Political institutions are just as technologically dependent as anything else. The
3rd party groups were necessary when campaigns were conducted completely on network television. There was really no other way to raise enough funds to get good air time.

Think about what this means. Eventually political candidates will no longer have to pay cash or lip service to media moguls. We have known for a while that broadcast TV is in its death throes. Nothing has made that more evident than Obama's campaign.

 
elchip [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 09:55:26 AM  
Nice guys finish last. Someone needs to paint McCain as a flip-flopping Bush-fellator and if it's not going to be Obama, who's gonna do it now?

 
burndtdan 2008-05-16 10:07:48 AM  
elchip: Nice guys finish last. Someone needs to paint McCain as a flip-flopping Bush-fellator and if it's not going to be Obama, who's gonna do it now?

mccain seems up to the task.

 
Makh [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 10:07:58 AM  
They can't stop him. They can hate him all they want, disbelieve what they can, but the trajectory is clear, Obama will be the Democratic Party leader.

 
discount sushi 2008-05-16 10:08:19 AM  
Atillathepun: The thing is, Obama seems to have made sure that the money what would otherwise go to these groups is going to go directly to his group, and if one thing has been certain about his campaign is that his people have done a superlative job at organizing. While Obama himself might have slipped some (bitter, Wright, etc.,) his staff really haven't made any strategic mistakes or had any backbiting.

Obama's campaign is so much more on point then anything I've seen in my lifetime. I used to think Bill Clinton's campaign was run well, but this is astounding. I get the feeling that pisses off Carville more then Hillary losing.

 
Jubeebee 2008-05-16 10:13:22 AM  
That's pretty bold. And pretty classy. And, considering his message, very intelligent.

Obama: the candidate you get when you mix equal parts class, balls, and smarts.

 
xanadian [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 10:16:17 AM  
I think this is a good thread for this:

i249.photobucket.com

 
Doublespeak 2008-05-16 10:20:31 AM  
elchip: Nice guys finish last. Someone needs to paint McCain as a flip-flopping Bush-fellator and if it's not going to be Obama, who's gonna do it now?

I'm pretty sure McCain's been doing a good job of it already.

 
elchip [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 10:21:09 AM  
Doublespeak: I'm pretty sure McCain's been doing a good job of it already.

Someone needs to point it out, though.

 
socodog 2008-05-16 10:22:02 AM  
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//Just to get it out of the way.

 
Car_Ramrod 2008-05-16 10:23:19 AM  
B...b...but, he's just another politician! All he does is say change and hope and change, but doesn't do anything! EMPTY SUIT!!!

/GOBama

 
Ivor the Friendly Viking 2008-05-16 10:26:44 AM  
Makh: They can't stop him. They can hate him all they want, disbelieve what they can, but the trajectory is clear, Obama will be the Democratic Party leader President.

FTFY

 
RIDETHEWALRUS 2008-05-16 10:29:24 AM  
Hooray! Free Sp***

 
TMBGfreak 2008-05-16 10:30:00 AM  
Anyone who can be the spawn of Chicago politics and actually play a clean campaign, and win while doing so has to be the most gifted politician I have ever seen.

 
FunkyBlue 2008-05-16 10:31:06 AM  
RIDETHEWALRUS: Hooray! Free Sp***

Spoon?

 
QU!RK1019 2008-05-16 10:31:18 AM  
Cue the douchbags calling us cultists in 5... 4... 3...

 
M-16A2pilot [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 10:31:29 AM  
Here's the thing, I disagree with Obama on his stated policy issues, but I absolutely respect the guy for his attempt to run a respectable campaign.

No hate from me, just humble disagreement.

Still wish there were better choices....

 
Dance 2008-05-16 10:31:41 AM  
In before kool aid.

 
cchris_39 2008-05-16 10:31:50 AM  
Interesting to farkers genuflecting to Obama yet again.

It probably hasn't crossed your minds that this guy has the audacity......and thinks he has the authority.......to silence the political free speech of others. It's actually a remarkable insight to the attitude he would bring to the White House.

The federal government - is there anything they can't do?

 
The Homer Tax 2008-05-16 10:31:59 AM  
RIDETHEWALRUS: Hooray! Free Sp***

Seriously, I can't believe how Obama said that he would use the government to enact legal and criminal penalties on these groups in an effort to stifle their speech. Typical lib, freedom for me, but not for thee.

 
Fark Lord of the Sith 2008-05-16 10:32:59 AM  
I have never voted for a candidate before this election. Rather, I have voted against many rival candidates. I find Obama's focus on issues and message refreshing.

 
peachpicker [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 10:33:13 AM  
img292.imageshack.us

 
gilgigamesh 2008-05-16 10:33:43 AM  
burndtdan: elchip: Nice guys finish last. Someone needs to paint McCain as a flip-flopping Bush-fellator and if it's not going to be Obama, who's gonna do it now?

mccain seems up to the task.


Exactly. McCain is his own worst enemy. Hand him enough DubyaTM Brand rope, and he'll gladly hang himself.

 
Car_Ramrod 2008-05-16 10:34:03 AM  
M-16A2pilot: Here's the thing, I disagree with Obama on his stated policy issues, but I absolutely respect the guy for his attempt to run a respectable campaign.

No hate from me, just humble disagreement.

Still wish there were better choices....


Your moderate approach to debate has no place here!

 
MugzyBrown [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 10:34:09 AM  
Obama can't shut anything down. He can talk to them and try to convince them to change their message, but that's it.

Obama transcends the constitution

 
Newbaca 2008-05-16 10:35:23 AM  
I think shutting down CNN and MSNBC is a little outside of Obama's realm of power.

 
DuncanMhor 2008-05-16 10:35:24 AM  
cchris_39: to silence the political free speech of others

He asked his donors not to give them money. They can speak away, just not through his megaphone.

 
Rev. Skarekroe [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 10:35:35 AM  
No no, ignore that stuff!
You're supposed to be looking over here:

media.economist.com

 
suebhoney 2008-05-16 10:35:46 AM  
MugzyBrown: Obama can't shut anything down. He can talk to them and try to convince them to change their message, but that's it.

Obama transcends the constitution


Signing statements do too.

 
randomjsa 2008-05-16 10:36:14 AM  
"We're shutting down pro-Obama attack groups that stray off message, the message being no substance at all. After all, we specifically instructed our people to never get in to substance with people and just talk about hope and change!"

 
M-16A2pilot [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 10:36:17 AM  
Car_Ramrod: M-16A2pilot: Here's the thing, I disagree with Obama on his stated policy issues, but I absolutely respect the guy for his attempt to run a respectable campaign.

No hate from me, just humble disagreement.

Still wish there were better choices....

Your moderate approach to debate has no place here!



I almost take that as a compliment, but then this kicks in:

Neither does your mom!!!

 
MugzyBrown [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 10:37:03 AM  
suebhoney: Signing statements do too.

bbbut Bush? Is he running again?

 
DogPollen 2008-05-16 10:37:09 AM  
I voted for him in the Texas primary, caucused for him at the precinct and county level, my wife is a state delegate and I volunteered for and donated to the campaign. It's stories like this one remind how worth it it all is/was.

 
Makh [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 10:37:47 AM  
Ivor the Friendly Viking: Makh: They can't stop him. They can hate him all they want, disbelieve what they can, but the trajectory is clear, Obama will be the Democratic Party leader President.

FTFY


Thank you. My bad.

 
gilgigamesh 2008-05-16 10:38:22 AM  
cchris_39: It probably hasn't crossed your minds that this guy has the audacity......and thinks he has the authority.......to silence the political free speech of others. It's actually a remarkable insight to the attitude he would bring to the White House.

Well, he does. It's his campaign. And his campaign is a private organization, not the government. If a private company has a representative who is a loose cannon and is hurting the brand, that employee can be fired. This is really no different.

 
bwesb 2008-05-16 10:38:55 AM  
The sad thing is that a good man, an imperfect man but a good man nevertheless, is going to bear the brunt of the full-scale ass whupping he is going to get for the GOP's 8 years of gross negligence.

John McCain, a man cut down repeatedly by his own party for the crime of running against their chosen puppet - Dubya, is going to have to stand up for those same people and attack the best presidential candidate that this country has seen since Ronald Reagan.

I am even more comforted by the fact that Obama sees this; he knows how good a public servant and patriot John McCain is and when they get the General Election going I can almost guarantee every farker in here that Obama is going to show John McCain respect and take down the crooked GOP at the same time.

Yes We Can.

 
QU!RK1019 2008-05-16 10:39:20 AM  
RIDETHEWALRUS: Hooray! Free Sp***

cchris_39: It probably hasn't crossed your minds that this guy has the audacity......and thinks he has the authority.......to silence the political free speech of others.

The Homer Tax: Seriously, I can't believe how Obama said that he would use the government to enact legal and criminal penalties on these groups in an effort to stifle their speech. Typical lib, freedom for me, but not for thee.

Stupid motherfarkers

TFA: Barack Obama's fundraising team has been quietly putting out word to major donors that they didn't want any money to go to such third-party groups.

OMG! HE HATES FREEDOMS!

 
The Homer Tax 2008-05-16 10:39:30 AM  
cchris_39: The federal government - is there anything they can't do?

Exactly, the way Obama is using the federal government to shut down these groups and stifle their free speech is staggering.

 
kuhns_m 2008-05-16 10:40:53 AM  
I suggest they go after Obama over his pastor Wright's comments. If anyone ever found out what Wright has said Obama's campaign would be sunk!

 
gilgigamesh 2008-05-16 10:40:57 AM  
MugzyBrown: suebhoney: Signing statements do too.

bbbut Bush? Is he running again?


Actually, the only candidate who has promised to discontinue the use of signing statements entirely is...

John McCain.

Obama and Clinton both have stated an intention to continue their use, although in limited fashion.

 
MugzyBrown [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 10:41:02 AM  
gilgigamesh: If a private company has a representative who is a loose cannon and is hurting the brand, that employee can be fired. This is really no different.

Apparently, you don't know what third-party means

 
Kuroshin [TotalFark] 2008-05-16 10:41:09 AM  
M-16A2pilot: Here's the thing, I disagree with Obama on his stated policy issues, but I absolutely respect the guy for his attempt to run a respectable campaign.

No hate from me, just humble disagreement.

Still wish there were better choices....


I'm with ya 100%.

Don't like his policies, but I'd rather he be the next POTUS than the other two, especially since he's more likely to work *with* people from all points of the spectrum, rather than dictate what will happen.

/need more coffee

 
Mcstabbity 2008-05-16 10:41:58 AM  
Pure. Unadulterated. Awesomesauce.

 
cchris_39 2008-05-16 10:42:24 AM  
gilgigamesh: Well, he does. It's his campaign. And his campaign is a private organization, not the government. If a private company has a representative who is a loose cannon and is hurting the brand, that employee can be fired. This is really no different.

Actually, it's ALOT different. The third party groups are not part of his organization, they are independent of it. The proper response would be to disassociate from whatever their message is, not seek to shut them down.

I'm telling you, this is a glimpse into the way this guy thinks. Be careful.

 
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