B-b-b-but 57 states! SWEETIEGATE, for Christ's sake! Ignorance of history and what's currently going on in the world in NO way compares to those affronts to decency!

Oh, yeah, that whole Iran/Contra thingy.

This election is going to be fun.

Reagan wasn't POTUS. How exactly did he negotiate? Who did Kennedy negotiate with? I suppose Bay of Pigs was a summit.

TheDumbBlonde: Reagan wasn't POTUS.

What.

I think we should start a betting pool as to when McCain refers to Russia as the USSR.

/I respect your Naval service, but Jesus...

cameroncrazy1984: This election is going to be fun.


I agree.

TheDumbBlonde: Reagan wasn't POTUS. How exactly did he negotiate? Who did Kennedy negotiate with? I suppose Bay of Pigs was a summit.

What you say?

cameroncrazy1984: This election is going to be fun.

There's no way I'm making it through to November without alcohol poisoning.

cameroncrazy1984: TheDumbBlonde: Reagan wasn't POTUS.

What.

He wasn't POTUS. The hostages were not released until the day he sworn into office.

TheDumbBlonde: Reagan wasn't POTUS. How exactly did he negotiate? Who did Kennedy negotiate with? I suppose Bay of Pigs was a summit.

TheDumbBlonde: Reagan wasn't POTUS.

I don't quite follow you. The President of the US wasn't the President of the US?

TheDumbBlonde: Reagan wasn't POTUS. How exactly did he negotiate? Who did Kennedy negotiate with? I suppose Bay of Pigs was a summit.

Iran-Contra was 1985-1986. The hostages referred to in the headline were Americans being held by Hezbollah, who were seized after Reagan took office.

Iran-Contra was not related to the US hostages captured in 1979 under Carter when the Iranian "students" stormed the US embassy.

TheDumbBlonde: He wasn't POTUS. The hostages were not released until the day he sworn into office.

You...uh...need to go back and read some history, there. Specifically Iran-Contra.

Shhhhh, this is the guy who has said they were talking the praises of governor Reagan while in the Hanoi Hilton so many times he now believes it himself.

Oh Lord people. Reagan wasn't President until the day the Iranian hostages were released.

vincentpriceisdead: cameroncrazy1984: This election is going to be fun.

There's no way I'm making it through to November without alcohol poisoning.

Yeah, no kidding. Not to mention I also have a bottle of champagne chilling for Jan 20, 2009.

TheDumbBlonde: He wasn't POTUS. The hostages were not released until the day he sworn into office.

I believe they are referring to negotiations during the Reagan years to free hostages in Beirut. Stop showing the blondness.

TheDumbBlonde: Oh Lord people. Reagan wasn't President until the day the Iranian hostages were released.

Sgt Otter: TheDumbBlonde: Reagan wasn't POTUS. How exactly did he negotiate? Who did Kennedy negotiate with? I suppose Bay of Pigs was a summit.

Iran-Contra was 1985-1986. The hostages referred to in the headline were Americans being held by Hezbollah, who were seized after Reagan took office.

Iran-Contra was not related to the US hostages captured in 1979 under Carter when the Iranian "students" stormed the US embassy.

You're forgeting the Contras. The arms to sold to Iran to fund the anti-communist South American rebels.

TheDumbBlonde: Sgt Otter: TheDumbBlonde: Reagan wasn't POTUS. How exactly did he negotiate? Who did Kennedy negotiate with? I suppose Bay of Pigs was a summit.

Iran-Contra was 1985-1986. The hostages referred to in the headline were Americans being held by Hezbollah, who were seized after Reagan took office.

Iran-Contra was not related to the US hostages captured in 1979 under Carter when the Iranian "students" stormed the US embassy.

You're forgeting the Contras. The arms to sold to Iran to fund the anti-communist South American rebels.

NO REALLY?!? I thought they called it Iran-Contra because that video game was totally badass.

Nice attempt at deflection from your own severe self-pwnage.

/Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right B A START

I won't read it, and, honestly I don't care. Sold arms to Iran to free hostages held by Hezbollah in Beruit? Nice.

For those in need of a quick history lesson.

TheDumbBlonde: I won't read it, and, honestly I don't care. Sold arms to Iran to free hostages held by Hezbollah in Beruit? Nice.

Causing more hostages to be taken to be traded for more arms
rinse, repeat

TheDumbBlonde: I won't read it, and, honestly I don't care. Sold Negotiated the sale of arms to Iran to free hostages held by Hezbollah in Beruit? Nice.

There you go. NOW do you understand?

HenryFnord: For those in need of a quick history lesson.

That's been in my head this whole time. I'm being educated while I'm being entertained!

Umm... from the article and the wiki:

It began as an operation to increase U.S.-Iranian relations, wherein Israel would ship weapons to a moderate, politically influential group of Iranians opposed to the Ayatollah Khomeni.

Khomeini took power in the 1979 Revolution. If the Iran-Contra affair began after the Islamic Revolution in Iran, then it doesn't seem like Reagan was negotiating with the Iranian government -- more like Iranians who opposed their government.

Am I reading this right? Did the arms ever go to the Iranian hardline government or only to moderate Iranians against their Islamic rulers?

vincentpriceisdead: HenryFnord: For those in need of a quick history lesson.

That's been in my head this whole time. I'm being educated while I'm being entertained!

I JUST saw that episode the other day. Or was it new? I don't know, but awesome.

vincentpriceisdead: HenryFnord: For those in need of a quick history lesson.

That's been in my head this whole time. I'm being educated while I'm being entertained!

There's a through education. I love your sources.

TheDumbBlonde: Reagan wasn't POTUS. How exactly did he negotiate? Who did Kennedy negotiate with? I suppose Bay of Pigs was a summit.

Reagan negotiated with terrorists both before and after he was POTUS.

Does Rotsky have an alt in here or something?

Yeah, I remember the Democrats were pissed off at Reagan for negotiating and talking to Iran.

Man... the poor old guy is really been becoming McFail lately. Such a pitty, I really liked him in 2000 and the world would be a much better place now if he had won the nomination for the Republicans then and nipped that whole neoconservative movement in the bud.

Now he's like that brick of cheese that's molding away in the back of your fridge's deli tray. You keep meaning to throw it out one of these days and it just sits there getting stinkier and stinkier.

Anyone? Was Reagan negotiating with moderate, politically influential Iranians who also had some pull with Hezbollah or was he negotiating with that asshat Khomeni?

KaponoFor3: Anyone? Was Reagan negotiating with moderate, politically influential Iranians who also had some pull with Hezbollah or was he negotiating with that asshat Khomeni?

From PBS (new window) (slightly better source than Wikipedia):

In 1985, while Iran and Iraq were at war, Iran made a secret request to buy weapons from the United States. McFarlane sought Reagan's approval, in spite of the embargo against selling arms to Iran.

Ghastly: Now he's like that brick of cheese that's molding away in the back of your fridge's deli tray. You keep meaning to throw it out one of these days and it just sits there getting stinkier and stinkier.

That quote is a thing of beauty.

/TheDumbBlonde: Your willful ignorance is showing

Reggaenomics: TheDumbBlonde: Reagan wasn't POTUS. How exactly did he negotiate? Who did Kennedy negotiate with? I suppose Bay of Pigs was a summit.

Reagan negotiated with terrorists both before and after he was POTUS.

Yep.... don't forget that his VP, George H.W. Bush, was the former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. I'm sure he had a few connections...

vincentpriceisdead: There's no way I'm making it through to November without alcohol poisoning.

I'll drink to that.

Ghastly: Man... the poor old guy is really been becoming McFail lately. Such a pitty, I really liked him in 2000 and the world would be a much better place now if he had won the nomination for the Republicans then and nipped that whole neoconservative movement in the bud.

Now he's like that brick of cheese that's molding away in the back of your fridge's deli tray. You keep meaning to throw it out one of these days and it just sits there getting stinkier and stinkier.

He is going to have a long five months ahead of him once the Democrats pick their winner.

TheDumbBlonde: Oh Lord people. Reagan wasn't President until the day the Iranian hostages were released.

Yeah, and Nixon also negotiated with the VietCong to keep them fighting until he took office to make Johnson and Humphrey look bad. Saying they weren't in office is no excuse for negotiating with terrorists.

GAT_00

Do you have credible sources for that? I've never heard that before and would like to learn more.

Is McCain retarded?

Party Boy: Is McCain retarded?

he's just having a senior moment campaign

burndtdan: Party Boy: Is McCain retarded?

he's just having a senior moment campaign

I mean, we still see Ollie North on Fox, right?

Best part about Iran Contra? Say hello to more of the neocons, like the ones that went back in under Bush II

He's so dreamy!!

Under Republican administrations, traitors become heroes and Rupert Murdoch gives them air time!

Party Boy: Is McCain retarded?

Q: "What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush's policy, which is just abstinence?"

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) "Ahhh. I think I support the president's policy."

Q: "So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?"

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) "You've stumped me."

Q: "I mean, I think you'd probably agree it probably does help stop it?"

Mr. McCain: (Laughs) "Are we on the Straight Talk express? I'm not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I'm sure I've taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception - I'm sure I'm opposed to government spending on it, I'm sure I support the president's policies on it."

Q: "But you would agree that condoms do stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Would you say: 'No, we're not going to distribute them,' knowing that?"

Mr. McCain: (Twelve-second pause) "Get me Coburn's thing, ask Weaver to get me Coburn's paper that he just gave me in the last couple of days. I've never gotten into these issues before."

Not only did Reagan negotiate,he did an illegal arms deal behind congress and the public's backs. So he actually did give aid to the enemy.

Reagan was an appeaser!!!

Great Metal Jesus: GAT_00

Do you have credible sources for that? I've never heard that before and would like to learn more.

The source I have is a book called 1968: The Year the Dream Died, written by Jules Whitcover. I'm trying to find internet sources. The woman he used as his conduit to Nguyen Van Thieu, the South Vietnam president, was Anna Chennault. Internet information on her is sketchy, and it is merely briefly mentioned in Wiki, but in his sources, he cites among others her book, The Education of Anna, where she admits her role and recounts it.

Reggaenomics: TheDumbBlonde: Reagan wasn't POTUS. How exactly did he negotiate? Who did Kennedy negotiate with? I suppose Bay of Pigs was a summit.

Reagan negotiated with terrorists both before and after he was POTUS.

yes. one of his minions (his campaign's chief of staff, maybe?) met with the iranians during the campaign to hold off releasing the hostages until he took office. not only did he negotiate with terrorists - he negotiated with terrorists to continue to hold innocent americans hostage to further his own political career.