"Hillary is in this race because of people like you and places like this and no matter what they say," Clinton said. "And no matter how much fun they make of your support of her and the fact that working people all over America have stuck with her, she thinks you're as smart as they are. She thinks you've got as much right to have your say as anybody else. And, you know, they make a lot of fun of me because I like to campaign in places like this, they say I have been exiled to rural America, as if that was a problem. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be here than listening to that stuff I have to hear on television, I'd rather be with you. There is a simple reason: You need a president a lot more than those people telling you not to vote for her."



DAWWWWHOhuh!

Let's hope the captain goes down with the ship...

fark you, bill. fark you right in your butt.

Bill's a good advance man.

For McCain.

Is the S.S. Clintanic gonna rear up on high before finally sinking?

/got nothing

They've become a cartoon of what they once were.

Sad, pathetic, and unfortunately predictable.

Incredibly, what Hillary is doing with this campaign is to completely ruin what might have been a pretty well thought of legacy for Bill. Nice.

But are they going to make a movie about it?

They appear to be going in the direction of a low-grade scorched earth policy for the DNC.

/Also still using campaign ideas from rove.

...Also don't forget to give us money so we can recoup our "Loan" we gave to ourselves before the FEC figures out where that money originally came from....

They've become a cartoon of what they once were.

Nope, they're the same lying, no-ethics-having scumbags they were in the 90's. You libs are just starting to wake up to this fact... about 16 years late.

Icebergs are racist?

Terry McAuliffe is on MTP right now, spewing the current line of Clinton bullshiat. At first it was making me angry, and I wanted to piss on his face out of rage. But then I smelled the desperation, and remembered that he's only grasping at straws. I still wanted to piss on his face, but now just for the pure entertainment value.

Isn't it obvious? We're spending all this time on the sidelines, adding up the numbers and questioning her gall, when the entire time she knows she can't win... but she doesn't want Obama to win either.
She knows that she'll be close to 70 by the time Obama gets done with his term, thus eliminating a lot of her electability, UNLESS she's able to force four years of McCain politics by dividing the Democrats. Then she can come back in four years to save us and say, "See? I told you Obama couldn't win against McCain... And look where we're at now.." And, after four more years of Bush politics, we'll run back to her, forgetting all the scheming and lying she did to put us in such a position.

loser_death_spiral Quote 2008-05-11 10:00:16 AM
They've become a cartoon of what they once were.

Nope, they're the same lying, no-ethics-having scumbags they were in the 90's. You libs are just starting to wake up to this fact... about 16 years late.

So does that mean you've already woken up to what a criminal, corrupt, miserable failure George Bush is?

Hillary's campaign Strategy....

superlawyergirl: And, after four more years of Bush politics, we'll run back to her, forgetting all the scheming and lying she did to put us in such a position.

I for one won't, I still remember how she was in the 90's, which is why I'll never vote for her.

/if you want to have an idea of how someone will act in the future, look at their past...

Steve_Rogers: Hillary's campaign Strategy....

You forgot her plan to bring the DNC back together...

peachpicker: Terry McAuliffe is on MTP right now, spewing the current line of Clinton bullshiat. At first it was making me angry, and I wanted to piss on his face out of rage. But then I smelled the desperation, and remembered that he's only grasping at straws. I still wanted to piss on his face, but now just for the pure entertainment value.

that was serious delusional crap spewing from his mouth, especially all the Michigan, Florida talk.

As a native WV'ian, I'm pretty farking offending by his condescending pandering. "Hey, you yokels are where its at, take it from just another good ol' boy!"

WhotheWhatNow: As a native WV'ian, I'm pretty farking offendinged by his condescending pandering. "Hey, you yokels are where its at, take it from just another good ol' boy!"

durrrr smarts-proven!

Generation_D:
So does that mean you've already woken up to what a criminal, corrupt, miserable failure George Bush is?

Assuming you mean Bush 43, I knew that before he even took office. That's why I didn't vote for him either time.

/Bush is the Republican version of Clinton

Skipper!

Little Buddy!

Skipper!

Little Buddy!

loser_death_spiral: /Bush is the Republican version of Clinton

Without all that budget balancing nonsense... Remember kids, we can spend our way to prosperity just like Saint Ronny promised.

/something D O O economics
//anyone?

loser_death_spiral: Generation_D:
So does that mean you've already woken up to what a criminal, corrupt, miserable failure George Bush is?

Assuming you mean Bush 43, I knew that before he even took office. That's why I didn't vote for him either time.

/Bush is the Republican version of Clinton

Clinton was a dog, no question, but I hardly think he is comparable to Bush. He never got us into an infinite, unwinnable war, handed out billions of dollars in no bid contracts to his friends, or made light of his blatant mistakes and/or lies which led to the death of thousands of our soldiers ("Where are those WMD's? Where oh where could they be? Yuk yuk yuk...")

Clinton got a BJ on the side and lied about it so his wife wouldn't kill him.

From Hillaryis44, on why she would not run as an independent:

Also HIllary is just too ethical and loyal. And has many friends in the party she wouldn't want to desert.

DamnYankees: From Hillaryis44, on why she would not run as an independent:

Also HIllary is just too ethical and loyal. And has many friends in the party she wouldn't want to desert.

HA HA HA! Wow...

If she were loyal, she would have bowed out already. If she was ethical, she wouldn't have used every dirty Rovian trick in the book to try to get the nomination. And if she cared about her friends in the party, she would have used a couple of them in her campaign that are now telling her it's time to bow out instead of surrounding herself with yes men.

Here's another one - I can't stop:

If the party thinks that sticking a woman on the ticket would shore up the gap .. they are nuttyieir than I had any idea. One thing, a woman on the ticket .. would have to be Hillary. She is far more qualified than any other woman in America.

Generation_D: They've become a cartoon of what they once were.

Sad, pathetic, and unfortunately predictable.

Sadly true. Although I really loved Clinton in the 90s, especially when he out-newted Newt during their epic budget battles, and agreed with Hillary's 'right-wing conspiracy' claims, and dismissed as mere politics all the '-gate' accusations, I wonder if the Republicans could have been right all along. I...I...I...can't deal with that!

Isn't it obvious? We're spending all this time on the sidelines, adding up the numbers and questioning her gall, when the entire time she knows she can't win... but she doesn't want Obama to win either.
She knows that she'll be close to 70 by the time Obama gets done with his term, thus eliminating a lot of her electability, UNLESS she's able to force four years of McCain politics by dividing the Democrats. Then she can come back in four years to save us and say, "See? I told you Obama couldn't win against McCain... And look where we're at now.." And, after four more years of Bush politics, we'll run back to her, forgetting all the scheming and lying she did to put us in such a position.

You may be onto something ther, superlawyergirl:

You may be onto something therthere, superlawyergirl

ftfm

DamnYankees: Bill's a good advance man.

For McCain.

Well, the most likely way Clinton will ever become President now is if McCain wins and she challenges him in 2012. Come 2016, she might be feeling too old.

Well, it's obvious that only corrupt, multi-millionaire, ivy-league educated political machines can "get" rural coalminers. Because, you know, they've been there. In the mines. Actually, maybe that would explain the brain damage they have clearly suffered.


"Hey, I worked for Wal-Mart too, JUST LIKE YOU! VOTE FOR ME!!!!"

Enemabag Jones: They appear to be going in the direction of a low-grade scorched earth policy for the DNC.

/Also still using campaign ideas from rove.

It's pretty much the only way Democrats can win. Carter? Too nice in '80. Mondale? Too nice in '84. Dukakis? Too nice in '88. Gore? Too nice in '00. Kerry? Too nice in '04.

Clinton knew how to play the game.

loser_death_spiral: /Bush is the Republican version of Clinton

More like the Republican version of Johnson.

elchip: Carter? Too nice in '80. Mondale? Too nice in '84. Dukakis? Too nice in '88. Gore? Too nice in '00. Kerry? Too nice in '04.

Correction: Carter? Already f*cked in '80. Mondale? Only reason he was there was that he sucked a little less than the others in '84. Dukakis? Two words--tank helmet. Gore? F*cked himself by distancing himself from Clinton. Kerry? Weak-kneed pussy who never defended himself.

None of these guys was 'too nice.'

elchip: Clinton knew how to play the game.

is that why she started the game with the biggest advantages one could hope for in politics, and is now losing in a rather embarassing manner?

yes, it's because she knows how to play the game. and obama bowled a 37 because he knows how to play that game.

ummmm Carter wasnt "Too nice" in 1980 he was too incompetant in the 4 preceeding years. As to the others they were too bland and uninspiring.

Dole was the same problem. Smart, decent guy, probably wouldve made a hell of a president but he was dull as a pound of wet liver.

thamike: loser_death_spiral: /Bush is the Republican version of Clinton

More like the Republican version of Johnson.

More like a Republican with a Johnson.

burndtdan: elchip: Clinton knew how to play the game.

is that why she started the game with the biggest advantages one could hope for in politics, and is now losing in a rather embarassing manner?

yes, it's because she knows how to play the game. and obama bowled a 37 because he knows how to play that game.

correction: you probably meant bill. so i would reword that a little...

but the point is still there. neither of them have a farking clue what they're doing right now.

elchip: Clinton knew how to play the game.

How do you figure? She started with a HUGE advantage and got completely crushed by the Obama campaign...it's only this close because she started out so far ahead.

T.M.S.: More like a Republican with a Johnson.

Or a Republican who is a johnson.

ShutterGeek: How do you figure? She started with a HUGE advantage and got completely crushed by the Obama campaign...it's only this close because she started out so far ahead.

BILL Clinton. In '92 and '96.

Did anyone have a massive slowdown on their computer with that site?

thamike: elchip: Carter? Too nice in '80. Mondale? Too nice in '84. Dukakis? Too nice in '88. Gore? Too nice in '00. Kerry? Too nice in '04.

Correction: Carter? Already f*cked in '80. Mondale? Only reason he was there was that he sucked a little less than the others in '84. Dukakis? Two words--tank helmet. Gore? F*cked himself by distancing himself from Clinton. Kerry? Weak-kneed pussy who never defended himself.

None of these guys was 'too nice.'

Sounds like a profane version of "Kerry was too nice," dude, lol. In fact I would say that yes, both Gore and Kerry WERE "too nice" during their runs for the presidency. They both thought the smears against them ("HE SAID HE INVENTED THE INTERNET, ROFLCOPTERS!!!!11" and the Swift Boat Veterans) would be dismissed by the public as absurd, and they weren't. They both never rolled up their sleeves and fought back. I know I've read interviews with Gore where he's said it, I'm pretty sure Kerry's also said that if they had it to do over again, they'd "take the gloves off."

What makes me happy about Obama in this way? Think of the mud he's dealt with AND HE'S GETTING NOMINATED. Wright would've sunk anyone else. Bittergate would've sunk anyone else. But - BUT - he fought back. He has a rapid response team eerily similar to Clinton 1992's War Room dedicated to getting the facts and rebuttals out there IN THE SAME NEWS CYCLE with the GOP smears. Obama will be just fine.

One of the ways Clinton doomed herself was too unabashedly condescend to everyone about our naive sheeplike nature, explaining that we are falling for "just words" and being blindly hopeful and dreamy. It's very insulting. Not to her supporters, though, which might lead one to an assumption or two about them.

WSU-Del: Did anyone have a massive slowdown on their computer with that site?

yah, froze my computer up for a few minutes