"Alaska overtakes California as most expensive state for gasoline"

Not Hawaii?

Yeah, but God forbid a Caribou has to look at an oil well.

Hell, like that would stop Bush & Co.

Alaska makes up less than 15% of nations crude oil production

ndotseth: God forbid a Caribou has to look at an oil well.

God forbid oil companies should go a quarter without setting a record for profits.
God forbid Americans should ever stop buying gas guzzlers or take public transportation, or drive less.
God forbid Americans make a genuine national commitment to alternative fuels.

Alaska-the last refuge of natural beauty we haven't managed to destroy...wait...

I'm guessing that while they produce a lot of oil they don't have any refineries. Isn't there a pipeline they can pump gasoline through running north through Canada, though? I'd expect there'd be at least one, in addition to a number running south.

organized crime = government

Alaska makes up less than 15% of nations crude oil production

Would be a lot more if Alaska was allowed to develop anything.

Everyone knows Alaska is the 57th state. This is just silly.

ndotseth: Yeah, but God forbid a Caribou has to look at an oil well.

a caribou once bit my sister

oil ≠ gasoline

Come on now, everyone knows the solution to all our problems would be allowing full-out drilling and refineries in Alaska. That would make gas prices drop by 2 dollars, at least. Totally. And it's not like it wouldn't just be a very temporary solution to a much larger problem that just keeps getting ignored or anything. Nope.

what does subby mean, the invasion is scrapped? the republicans and the oil companies have been planning to drill in ANWAR for years, only the current democratically controlled congress won't let them. it's just a matter of time before they find their way around congressional approval.

AndreMA: I'm guessing that while they produce a lot of oil they don't have any refineries. Isn't there a pipeline they can pump gasoline through running north through Canada, though? I'd expect there'd be at least one, in addition to a number running south.

Spot on. The oil they bring out of the ground has to be refined. Alaska is pretty much bereft of refineries. It's cheaper to ship it to other states and have it refined there.

Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-american, please.

AndreMA: I'm guessing that while they produce a lot of oil they don't have any refineries. Isn't there a pipeline they can pump gasoline through running north through Canada, though? I'd expect there'd be at least one, in addition to a number running south.

This.

oryx: oil ≠ gasoline

And This.

Alaskans also each get a check for about $1500 a year from the oil sales. That should help offset the costs.

sokolnikov: ndotseth: Yeah, but God forbid a Caribou has to look at an oil well.

a caribou once bit my sister

On the back of the head?

UrinalPooper: Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-american, please.

he didn't come over here to build the farking railroad.

Some day we'll have a national energy policy that wasn't put together by a bunch of oil men.

Lionel Mandrake: ndotseth: God forbid a Caribou has to look at an oil well.

God forbid oil companies should go a quarter without setting a record for profits.
God forbid Americans should ever stop buying gas guzzlers or take public transportation, or drive less.
God forbid Americans make a genuine national commitment to alternative fuels.

Um, you realize that "ndotseth" has one of the flattest and thickest skulls on Fark?

I bet Bush is still holding out that Alaska is a terrorist haven. I presume there will be a suitably tweaked National Intelligence Estimate out soon that will determine we need to put an end to Al Qaeda in Alaska (AQIA).

Drill the fark out of it.

Quel: Alaskans also each get a check for about $1500 a year from the oil sales. That should help offset the costs.

It's true, I saw it on the Simpsons...

I wonder how many of you geniuses suggesting we extend North Slope oil operations have actually been there? Perhaps know where it is? Have any clue what's involved?

SwiftFox: "Alaska overtakes California as most expensive state for gasoline"

Not Hawaii?

Surprisingly, gas is more expensive in San Francisco than it is on Maui or Lanai.

dofus: I wonder how many of you geniuses suggesting we extend North Slope oil operations have actually been there? Perhaps know where it is? Have any clue what's involved?

I do know that the 1002 area has no roads leading to it, only ancient trails used by the two inupiat villages on either side of the area.

dofus I wonder how many of you geniuses suggesting we extend North Slope oil operations have actually been there? Perhaps know where it is? Have any clue what's involved?

I have spent quite a bit of time on the North Slope. Increasing production would be fairly easy at this point, as the infrastructure is already in place.

sokolnikov: a caribou once bit my sister

You should have her checked for rabies and lycanthropy.
Wereibou!!!

HMS_Blinkin

Quel: Alaskans also each get a check for about $1500 a year from the oil sales. That should help offset the costs.

It's true, I saw it on the Simpsons...


I sense some sarcasm there so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund

SwiftFox: "Alaska overtakes California as most expensive state for gasoline"

Not Hawaii?

Hawaii is accessible by oil tanker, and doesn't have a local oil industry with the state government feels it is 'it's right' to tax.

Alaska is mostly accessible only by plane, and is one of a very few major industries from which the state can derive revenue.

Economics can sometimes be complex, but this one isn't exactly rocket science.

AndreMA: I'm guessing that while they produce a lot of oil they don't have any refineries. Isn't there a pipeline they can pump gasoline through running north through Canada, though? I'd expect there'd be at least one, in addition to a number running south.

You remember that Exxon Valdez thing? That's how they get our crude to the refineries.

Lionel Mandrake: ndotseth: God forbid a Caribou has to look at an oil well.

God forbid oil companies should go a quarter without setting a record for profits.
God forbid Americans should ever stop buying gas guzzlers or take public transportation, or drive less.
God forbid Americans make a genuine national commitment to alternative fuels.

You keep menstruating like that and bears are going to fill this thread.

wyltoknow:
Come on now, everyone knows the solution to all our problems would be allowing full-out drilling and refineries in Alaska. That would make gas prices drop by 2 dollars, at least. Totally. And it's not like it wouldn't just be a very temporary solution to a much larger problem that just keeps getting ignored or anything. Nope.

Well it wouldn't be a "temporary" solution, unless you believe the enviro-dogma that oil is not a renewable resource. There's a lot of evidence that it is continually produced by inorganic means in the Earth's crust, and that if it "runs out", it will only be temporary local shortages. Kind of like rotating crops on a farm, in a few years the fields will be replenished.

/not putting any damn solar panels on my house, thank you very much Mr. Gore.

Alaska has overtaken California as the most expensive state for gasoline, the Automobile Club of Southern California said Friday.

This is not surprising. Ron Paul warned us about this.

No Such Agency: Well it wouldn't be a "temporary" solution, unless you believe the enviro-dogma that oil is not a renewable resource. There's a lot of evidence that it is continually produced by inorganic means in the Earth's crust, and that if it "runs out", it will only be temporary local shortages. Kind of like rotating crops on a farm, in a few years the fields will be replenished.

As a geologist perusing this thread, I would just like to point out that this is absolutely not true. Yes, oil is being continually produced in an inorganic fashion. See that swamp over there? with all the dead organic stuff in it? One day, thousands if not millions of years from now, it will be rock and may have the right temperature and pressure conditions to produce oil.

You certainly can't rotate it like a crop. This idea, it is, terrible.

No Such Agency -- Troll attempt? You can't be serious. Oil is a soup of complex hydrocarbons that take millions of years to form under high pressure and temperature. You are correct that these are by "inorganic means", but your analogy is terrible: Crops take a few years, trees take 20-30 years, oil takes millions. If you have a single shred of evidence that large quantities of oil can be naturally generated at the rate you suggest, I'll eat a pinecone.

/a small one
//but I'll do it!

Well, i'll amend that. You could rotate it like a crop. If you had many planets worth space to work with and an multi-million year cycle, then sure!

Alaskan Gold Digger-- we sure showed him!

No Such Agency: Kind of like rotating crops on a farm, in a few years the fields will be replenished.

This has got to be a troll. I larfed.

cosmos_31: No Such Agency -- Troll attempt? You can't be serious. Oil is a soup of complex hydrocarbons that take millions of years to form under high pressure and temperature. You are correct that these are by "inorganic means", but your analogy is terrible: Crops take a few years, trees take 20-30 years, oil takes millions. If you have a single shred of evidence that large quantities of oil can be naturally generated at the rate you suggest, I'll eat a pinecone.

/a small one
//but I'll do it!

It seems you missed the South Park ImaginationLand episode. Never, ever say you'll eat or suck on something.

it's as if they lack any refining capabilities there...

ndotseth: Yeah, but God forbid a Caribou has to look at an oil well.

This attitude concerns me. I like the environment and all, and I think it would be a damn shame to drill in ANWR. That's not realistic, though. One day we will be drilling up there.

What concerns me about ndotsth's attitude is the "we need the oil right now because gas prices are so high it is hurting the economy right now and we can offset the gas prices for the consumer by drilling in Alaska right now!" People with such an attitude show no foresight, no understanding of what is going to happen to this world as oil supplies start to become more costly to extract and supply begins to dwindle.

I see ANWR as our ace in the hole. We keep using other countries' oil to fuel our cars and planes and produce plastics and all that. But when we've finally run down the rest of the earth's supply, that's when we pull out the Alaskan reserves. We use it to power critical services. I'm not the one to decide what is "critical," but the point is that we buy ourselves a little more time while a lot of the rest of the world is falling apart. It's obvious we're not going to put serious effort into alternative fuels until the gun is to our heads.

So, in short, I think Alaska should be this nation's 'rainy day fund.' Not something that we start pumping out just so Joe Blow can fill his F-350, Suburban or Hummer more cheaply.

Al-aska? That sounds Arab. Anwar? Isn't that an Arab name? INVADE!

/I know it's ANWR

Lionel Mandrake: ndotseth: God forbid a Caribou has to look at an oil well.

God forbid oil companies should go a quarter without setting a record for profits.
God forbid Americans should ever stop buying gas guzzlers or take public transportation, or drive less.
God forbid Americans make a genuine national commitment to alternative fuels.

IM doing or working on two of the three, is that ok?

There is no public trans here, just thought I would clarify.
Not all of us live in cities, those who do cant do what I am doing, so they can take the farkin bus.

And the U.P. pays as much for gas as most Californians do.

/+1 for you if you know where the U.P. is eh...
//Not Canada
///Sure as hell not Wisconsin

/Wisconsin still needs its own tag

I look forward to the $10 a gallon gas that our Liberal Overlords shall dictate to us in the Name of His Holiness Gore and the Church of The Glorious Climate....

Besides drilling in ANWAR wouldn't produce squat for at least 5 years, it's not as if oil shoots out of the ground and magically becomes gasoline. Why aren't we actually following what the french are doing and using nuclear power (ZOMG!1!!1! but they ALWAYS FAIL! NUCLEAR DISASTERS!!)

I'm all for alternative fuels but let the free market decide on what it will be NOT some huge government Department of Alternative Fuels bureaucracy.

It suprises me when the Libs yell about the failure of the government but then want that same government to decided who lives and who dies *ahem* government mandated health care *ahem* and what kind of alternative fuels we should pour billions of OUR dollars into. Then again we are heading more toward a socialist society so I guess it's all for the best....I welcome out Liberal Progressive Overlords who shall provide all for us simpletons!

SouthParkCon: I look forward to the $10 a gallon gas that our Liberal Overlords shall dictate to us in the Name of His Holiness Gore and the Church of The Glorious Climate....

Besides drilling in ANWAR wouldn't produce squat for at least 5 years, it's not as if oil shoots out of the ground and magically becomes gasoline. Why aren't we actually following what the french are doing and using nuclear power (ZOMG!1!!1! but they ALWAYS FAIL! NUCLEAR DISASTERS!!)

I'm all for alternative fuels but let the free market decide on what it will be NOT some huge government Department of Alternative Fuels bureaucracy.

It suprises me when the Libs yell about the failure of the government but then want that same government to decided who lives and who dies *ahem* government mandated health care *ahem* and what kind of alternative fuels we should pour billions of OUR dollars into. Then again we are heading more toward a socialist society so I guess it's all for the best....I welcome out Liberal Progressive Overlords who shall provide all for us simpletons!

I'd be angry too if some liberal pissed in my cup o' joe.

Anchorage has "reasonable" gas prices. It's the remote areas that drive the average cost for the state up.

Lionel Mandrake: ndotseth: God forbid a Caribou has to look at an oil well.

God forbid oil companies should go a quarter without setting a record for profits.


Quit buying gas and their profits will go away. Record consumption equals record profits. Oil companies make less on a gallon of gas than big government.



God forbid Americans should ever stop buying gas guzzlers or take public transportation, or drive less.


SUV sales are dropping and newer cars getting higher MPG average, why would I take public transportation? And since cars are getting higher MPG, I can drive more on a tank of gas. If you want people to drive less and use public transportation, have gas cost $10 a gallon and have cars get less than 5 miles to the gallon.



God forbid Americans make a genuine national commitment to alternative fuels.



Why Americans and why use food?