Democrats want to have a commanding majority in the Senate.

They're already losing at least one member to the White House. It would be pretty ridiculous to sacrifice another to serve in the do-nothing role of Vice President.

Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Ted Kennedy (and he was afraid you'd ask )

Yeah, besides, she needs to get her arse back to the kitchen while men folk are speaking.

bubbaprog: They're already losing at least one member to the White House. It would be pretty ridiculous to sacrifice another to serve in the do-nothing role of Vice President.

Well, its not like NY or IL is going to elect a Republican to replace either one of them.

Suicidal Writer: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Ted Kennedy (and he was afraid you'd ask )

I love how that site satirizes the tragic death of a young woman while simultaneously gravely scorning Ted Kennedy for causing the accident. You cannot have it both ways.

Followed by:

If we had real leadership -- as we do with Barack Obama -- in the No. 2 spot as well, it'd be enormously helpful

Dammit, cousin-merle... I could have gone the entire day without seeing that shiat.

I never understood the "dream ticket" people because it's been obvious from square one that these two crazy kids are coming from two different directions and that ideologically they wouldn't mesh.

bubbaprog: Democrats want to have a commanding majority in the Senate.

They're already losing at least one member to the White House. It would be pretty ridiculous to sacrifice another to serve in the do-nothing role of Vice President.

I wouldn't be so sure. If John McCain wins Ohio, the Republicans win in November. Last I checked Obama didn't fare so well in Ohio...or Pennsylvania, or California, or New York, or Florida or Michigan (I know, I know). The Democrats must winall of these states to take the white house in November.

Plus, wouldn't New York or Illinios just select another Democrat Senator if Obama or Hilary win?

Getting this one out of the way

Plus, wouldn't New York or Illinios just select another Democrat Senator if Obama or Hilary win?

Almost certainly.

Also, they'll be gaining a seat in Virginia with Democrat Mark Warner all but a shoo-in to replace Republican John Warner.

I think he should go with Governor Sibilance. That way, he can be certain all the mics at white house press conferences work.

When did making people dependent on govt become a noble aspiration?

BobtheFascist: When did making people dependent on govt become a noble aspiration?

Putting people on welfare and eliminating jobs is the republican way. It's the democrats way to make sure there still is welfare when republicans off-shore their jobs.

Thanks for playin'/trollin'.

BobtheFascist: When did making people dependent on govt become a noble aspiration?

Since libruls started controlling the media. Duh!

Code_Archeologist: Dammit, cousin-merle... I could have gone the entire day without seeing that shiat.

Sharing is caring.

Suicidal Writer: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Ted Kennedy (and he was afraid you'd ask )

You know what other prominent political figure killed a young woman with their vehicle?

/fill in the blank:
//bu bu but... ________

BobtheFascist: When did making people dependent on govt become a noble aspiration?

About when the govt. started giving no-bid contracts to Halliburton.

SSplinter9: Suicidal Writer is doing a poor imitation of some hired hacks we've seen before. Drop an inflammatory post and run.

Diogenes: SSplinter9: Suicidal Writer is doing a poor imitation of some hired hacks we've seen before. Drop an inflammatory post and run.

Yeah... very similar MO and style of a couple of past threadshiatters. Makes me wonder sometimes how well these pointy headed cretins get paid.

POAC - Putting people on welfare and eliminating jobs is the republican way. It's the democrats way to make sure there still is welfare when republicans off-shore their jobs.

Are you shiattin' me? Republicans may have given companies the ability to off shore jobs, but they aren't the reason it happened. Consumers are. We created this mess by demanding cheap products & services. Foreign markets were able to supply similar quality product for a far lower cost. People used to buy something w/ the expectation of it lasting for years & now they hold the attitude that they'll just buy a new one if it breaks. Don't blame the Republicans for that mess. Look in the freakin' mirror.

Well, the way I understand it is that you're supposed to pick a running mate who provides you with the broadest possible appeal, usually by attracting voters who aren't already interested in you. So, if Obama's coalition is Blacks and Egg-Heads (as Begala told us), shouldn't he be looking for the stupidest white Democrat in the country? And who is that, by the way? Murtha? Ooo! I know. How about an Obama/Byrd ticket?

BobtheFascist: POAC - Putting people on welfare and eliminating jobs is the republican way. It's the democrats way to make sure there still is welfare when republicans off-shore their jobs.

Are you shiattin' me? Republicans may have given companies the ability to off shore jobs, but they aren't the reason it happened. Consumers are. We created this mess by demanding cheap products & services. Foreign markets were able to supply similar quality product for a far lower cost. People used to buy something w/ the expectation of it lasting for years & now they hold the attitude that they'll just buy a new one if it breaks. Don't blame the Republicans for that mess. Look in the freakin' mirror.

Don't blame me! I only buy clothes with the union label and American-made appliances. Which is why I look like a used car salesman and don't own a TV or a microwave.

BobtheFascist: We created this mess by demanding cheap products & services. Foreign markets were able to supply similar quality product for a far lower cost.

Funny, I haven't noticed a significant decrease in the price of goods as their production gets offshored, even taking inflation into account...

BobtheFascist: Are you shiattin' me? Republicans may have given companies the ability to off shore jobs, but they aren't the reason it happened. Consumers are. We created this mess by demanding cheap products & services.

So you're saying the problem is capitalism?

BobtheFascist: Republicans may have given companies the ability to off shore jobs, but they aren't the reason it happened. Consumers are. We created this mess by demanding cheap products & services.

That's crap. People buy the nicest things they can afford.
Here's a free clue:
Before Ronald Reagan, the USA was a first-world nation. Meaning we imported more raw materials and exported more finished goods. By the time Ronald Reagan was finished, we were the text book definition of a third-world nation. Meaning we exported more raw materials and imported more finished goods. This was a result of eliminating tariffs and de-regulation disguised as free-trade.

When factories take advantage of exploited foreign labor, they pocket the profits. They don't pass it on to the consumer. Did Nike shoes go down in price when they went to Asia? Did Schwinn bicycles? Of course not. The end result was that good paying manufacturing jobs disappeared and low paying service industry jobs increased. As a result the middle class is shrinking and the wealthiest top 5 percent are amassing more and more.

To blame that on the consumer is absolutely ridiculous.

Insurance_EE_guy: Getting this one out of the way

/Came here to post this......and you beat me to it. DAMN YOU.

Chuck Wagon - So you're saying the problem is capitalism?

I suppose you could say that. Capitalism is not perfect. It's still better than the alternative though. We started moving toward white collar & tech industries too. Probably a large part of the reason there are "jobs Americans won't do" now-a-days. So the alternative is to ship those jobs overseas or import cheap labor from elsewhere.

elchip - Funny, I haven't noticed a significant decrease in the price of goods as their production gets offshored, even taking inflation into account...

A lot of my experience with this issue is in retail electronics. From what I've seen, the cost has not gone up much at all, but the profit margins have dropped. Granted, there are exceptions like speakers & accessories. There was a time when I made a pretty comfortable living pimping TV's & stereos. Margins are down, profit goes down, you work 3x as hard to make the same $$$.

SangamonTaylor: bubbaprog: Democrats want to have a commanding majority in the Senate.

They're already losing at least one member to the White House. It would be pretty ridiculous to sacrifice another to serve in the do-nothing role of Vice President.

I wouldn't be so sure. If John McCain wins Ohio, the Republicans win in November. Last I checked Obama didn't fare so well in Ohio...or Pennsylvania, or California, or New York, or Florida or Michigan (I know, I know). The Democrats must winall of these states to take the white house in November.

Plus, wouldn't New York or Illinios just select another Democrat Senator if Obama or Hilary win?

I'm really tired of this "You can't win without [insert state name here]" cliche. No state is, by itself, necessary. There are hundreds of combinations to 270 electoral votes.... and all of the winning scenarios except one (winning all 50 states) involve dropping at least one state, usually several. Ohio is just another state.

And you're counting states that are never going red for McCain, like California & New York. Being edged out by Clinton in places like Cali has jack squat to do with a matchup against McCain.

Ted Kenney didn't just throw Hillary under the bus, he personally drove her into a Chappaquiddick channel and left her in an overturned car to drown.

/still love Uncle Teddy.

Ted will be hung out to dry when Hillary takes the nomination then the Whitehouse!
//YES - SHE WILL!!

POAC: As a result the middle class is shrinking and the wealthiest top 5 percent are amassing more and more.

Average income has risen substantially.

Shaggy_C: POAC: As a result the middle class is shrinking and the wealthiest top 5 percent are amassing more and more.

Average income has risen substantially.

And that's why everyone uses median income. Income has huge outliers at the upper end and so the average is less useful.

/just sayin'

BobtheFascist: When did making people dependent on govt become a noble aspiration?

When did pretending that people aren't dependent on government become realistic?

Rapmaster2000: /just sayin'

Sorry, I'm just using suppy side Jesus talking points. Thought that one was funny :P

"That hurts my feelings"

BobtheFascist: Are you shiattin' me? Republicans may have given companies the ability to off shore jobs, but they aren't the reason it happened. Consumers are. We created this mess by demanding cheap products & services. Foreign markets were able to supply similar quality product for a far lower cost. People used to buy something w/ the expectation of it lasting for years & now they hold the attitude that they'll just buy a new one if it breaks. Don't blame the Republicans for that mess. Look in the freakin' mirror.

I never thought I would say this, but I agree with Bob. Where I am sure we disagree is that this is the reason I don't believe that a free market system is the answers to all of America's problems. The average American consumer does not understand that there is a difference between price and cost.

POAC: BobtheFascist: Republicans may have given companies the ability to off shore jobs, but they aren't the reason it happened. Consumers are. We created this mess by demanding cheap products & services.

That's crap. People buy the nicest things they can afford.
Here's a free clue:
Before Ronald Reagan, the USA was a first-world nation. Meaning we imported more raw materials and exported more finished goods. By the time Ronald Reagan was finished, we were the text book definition of a third-world nation. Meaning we exported more raw materials and imported more finished goods. This was a result of eliminating tariffs and de-regulation disguised as free-trade.

When factories take advantage of exploited foreign labor, they pocket the profits. They don't pass it on to the consumer. Did Nike shoes go down in price when they went to Asia? Did Schwinn bicycles? Of course not. The end result was that good paying manufacturing jobs disappeared and low paying service industry jobs increased. As a result the middle class is shrinking and the wealthiest top 5 percent are amassing more and more.

To blame that on the consumer is absolutely ridiculous.

THIS! You Win One (1) Internets!

Good to see that the Democratic Party is coming back together...

Lando Lincoln: BobtheFascist: When did making people dependent on govt become a noble aspiration?

When did pretending that people aren't dependent on government become realistic?

I'm as liberal as they come, but that is a horrifying question, Lando.

Alt_Login: Ted will be hung out to dry when Hillary takes the nomination then the Whitehouse!
//YES - SHE WILL!!

Now thats a mouthful of stupid and unlikely

POAC:

That's crap. People buy the nicest things they can afford.

I'm guessing you don't pay the bills.

//I always think its funny when Ted Kennedy acts all high and mighty.
///murdering son of a bootlegger, he is.

SangamonTaylor: I wouldn't be so sure. If John McCain wins Ohio, the Republicans win in November. Last I checked Obama didn't fare so well in Ohio...or Pennsylvania, or California, or New York, or Florida or Michigan (I know, I know). The Democrats must winall of these states to take the white house in November.

In a fight with the democrats, against another democrat. When they have to choose a democrat versus the last 8 years, "Bombbombbomb, Bomb Iran" and "I don't know the ecconomy" (paraphrased)...

MickCollins: I'm guessing you don't pay the bills.

Correct! I write them. And I'm billing you 5 bucks for that dumb comment.

Amazing that ted says shiat like this, is this the definition of irony? He has had a silver spoon in his mouth his entire life so he knows nothing of what the american people want/need.

fark of teddy k

Did he suggest anybody, or was this more of an "Anybody but Clinton" statement?