You know we should give the Clinton's more credit. They have done everything they could to alienate their base - giving neo-cons and libs a reason to come together in unadulterated disgust.

They have sacrificed their legacy and future ambitions just to heal our country. *sniff*

Only question now is who gets custody Mark Penn

"You take him!"

"No - YOU take him!"

PacManDreaming: "This will be a day long remembered. We've seen the end of the Clintons; we'll soon see the end of the DNC DLC."

FTFY.

Considering Obama is polling 3% up on McCain in RCP's poll of polls after only a few days of a real national campaign even with Hillary's defectors factored in, I'm not terribly worried.

Honestly, I hope they defect to the Republican party. Obama will continue his historic run, he may very well win anyway, and even if he doesn't, the net effect will be a hard shift to the left for the Republican Party as they integrate with the Hillary and New Democrat wing.

Either way you cut it, the country is going left faster than you can say "Mission Accomplished."

cameroncrazy1984: PacManDreaming: "This will be a day long remembered. We've seen the end of the Clintons; we'll soon see the end of the DNC DLC."

FTFY.

Good bye DLC... and good farking riddance.

Code_Archeologist: Good bye DLC... and good farking riddance.

the DLC won the Democrats two elections after 12 years of being the country's political joke.

albo: Code_Archeologist: Good bye DLC... and good farking riddance.

the DLC won the Democrats two elections after 12 years of being the country's political joke.

Yeah, and the Whigs won a few elections too. Things change, and if you don't change with them, you're toast.

albo: Code_Archeologist: Good bye DLC... and good farking riddance.

the DLC won the Democrats two elections after 12 years of being the country's political joke.

And then lost two in a row against Bush. Not exactly a sterling record there. After their behavior this cycle, I can't imagine anyone at the DNC is sad to see them go.

albo: Code_Archeologist: Good bye DLC... and good farking riddance.

the DLC won the Democrats two elections after 12 years of being the country's political joke.

No, the DLC was able to capitalize on the candidacy of Ross Perot splitting the Republican base. But their organizational style (of only concentrating on safe Democratic territory) caused most of the state and local Democratic parties to fall to ruins from a lack of national support.

Something to note is the in 2006 all of the competitive Democratic Senatorial candidates challenging Republicans won, except the DLC backed candidate, Harold Ford Jr.

jake_lex: Yeah, and the Whigs won a few elections too. Things change, and if you don't change with them, you're toast.

all i was meaning was, c'mon, show them a little gratitude for work performed. i mean, in 1988 the word "liberal" was actually a campaign issue that killed the D candidate. 4 years later the DLC turned the ship around dramatically

albo: jake_lex: Yeah, and the Whigs won a few elections too. Things change, and if you don't change with them, you're toast.

all i was meaning was, c'mon, show them a little gratitude for work performed. i mean, in 1988 the word "liberal" was actually a campaign issue that killed the D candidate. 4 years later the DLC turned the ship around dramatically

And then they lost Congress for over a decade.

Bloody William: And then they lost Congress for over a decade.

no, that was bill clinton going off the DLC reservation by pushing "don't ask don't tell" so quickly and raising taxes in 1993. chastised by 1994 election, he settled back into the DLC mode, did welfare reform in 1996, and cleaned up.

DRTFA. More 'concern trolling' from WSP Op-Ed?

WSP=WSJ

albo: all i was meaning was, c'mon, show them a little gratitude for work performed. i mean, in 1988 the word "liberal" was actually a campaign issue that killed the D candidate. 4 years later the DLC turned the ship around dramatically

Going to have to disagree with you there. Having an electoral strategy of acting "Republican-Light" in neutral and democratic leaning districts is the reason why it has taken Democrats so long to be able to get an organization together that was able to take advantage of GOP missteps in 2006.

I am remembering Will Rogers saying something about if the voters have a choice between a Republican and a Democrat acting like a Republican... they will just vote for the Republican.

quickdraw: You know we should give the Clinton's more credit.

The only thing I hold against them is promoting the strategy of campaigning only in "important" states and races.

Howard Dean's 2006 "50 State Strategy" was an immediate success. Obama's upcoming 50 state voter registration drive is going to put many nails in the coffin of McCain's campaign.

With Hill's and Bill's divorce soon to follow?

If they last one more year I'll be shocked. The clock's ticking for Bill. Viagra can only do so much.

albo: the DLC won the Democrats two elections after 12 years of being the country's political joke.

While losing the Senate and House in successive elections.

Karma Curmudgeon: While losing the Senate and House in successive elections.

Actually, the DLC lost the Senate twice. We could have kept it in 2002 if the Democrats in tough races stuck to their guns instead of pandering to popular anti-Iraq bloodlust. But thank you, DLC, you seemed to think that being loud about opposing the Iraq war was a mistake.

While the 50 State strategy is clearly superior to the microdemographics crap of Penn and the DLC, most of the credit here should go to Republican ineptitude.

moops: quickdraw: You know we should give the Clinton's more credit.

The only thing I hold against them is promoting the strategy of campaigning only in "important" states and races.

Howard Dean's 2006 "50 State Strategy" was an immediate success. Obama's upcoming 50 state voter registration drive is going to put many nails in the coffin of McCain's campaign.

Yeah, it's too bad they focused only on the big states [like Hillary did, again] because that opened up the door for a populist republican surge and OH LOOK, 1994 comes and Bill Clinton whittles away his presidency into dick jokes and testimony about where and how and how often he'd nut off into an intern's mouth. The Obama/Dean strategy is good, and actually, the prolonged primary season may be a net positive for the dems in the way that this process is taking them into every state, campaigning harder than they would in other years, and collecting more registered democrats.

Just one note on that: of any cross-section or demographic, the one group that consistently votes the most [by greatest percentage] are registered black voters. Who have the Dems been getting registered in huge numbers with the B-Obama machine?

The Clintons had every chance to actually be the great American story that happened in 1992 but between reverting to some petty vindictiveness and being truly flawed people.

PowerSlacker: While the 50 State strategy is clearly superior to the microdemographics crap of Penn and the DLC, most of the credit here should go to Republican ineptitude.

The GOP has always been inept, and always will be. They cannot deliver their promises of small government because the siren song of lining their pockets and helping their friends is just too much for them to resist. Plus, the American people do not want the same people who are proud of hating government to run the government.

It was just from 1994-2004, the Democrats were MORE inept. Casting off the yoke of the DLC and embracing the 50-state strategy has made them less inept than the GOP, thus they will stay in the majority until the Republicans learn to resist the temptation of their own greed.

moops

I generally agree with your post, but I think you underestimate the ability of Democrats to raise the stakes in the ongoing war of ineptitude. They've given the Republicans an outside chance of keeping the White House this year, after all.


The Republicans do need to remember what the term "fiscally conservative" means. Cut and spend is not "fiscally conservative".

Mark Penn looks like an overweight Jason Sudeikis.

The whole DLC lot should be sent to the Phantom Zone.

PowerSlacker: I generally agree with your post, but I think you underestimate the ability of Democrats to raise the stakes in the ongoing war of ineptitude. They've given the Republicans an outside chance of keeping the White House this year, after all.

I disagree. This bloody Clinton/Obama battle will ultimately only hurt the Clintons, not the party. The Clintons' 15 minutes of fame is over.

Read Kohl's post. He is correct when he says:

Kohl: the prolonged primary season may be a net positive for the dems in the way that this process is taking them into every state, campaigning harder than they would in other years, and collecting more registered democrats.

Plus, this prolonged battle raises us more money, and keeps McCrazy relegated to the shadows.

If the "Mark Penn had no idea the Democratic primaries weren't winner take all" story is true, it serves as beyond a shadow of a doubt proof Hillary's unfit to be president. How in the blue fark do you not immediately fire someone when they show such gross incompetence, especially when they're your CHIEF STRATEGIST? Proves that the Clintons only cared about loyalty - NOT talent at the job, because I guess they figured they wouldn't be seriously challenged to the biggest non-incumbent lock on a presidential nomination ever, and they got burned for it.

robsul82: If the "Mark Penn had no idea the Democratic primaries weren't winner take all" story is true, it serves as beyond a shadow of a doubt proof Hillary's unfit to be president. How in the blue fark do you not immediately fire someone when they show such gross incompetence, especially when they're your CHIEF STRATEGIST? Proves that the Clintons only cared about loyalty - NOT talent at the job, because I guess they figured they wouldn't be seriously challenged to the biggest non-incumbent lock on a presidential nomination ever, and they got burned for it.

But he was doing a heck of a job...

Don't miss the Company of Fools' production of Midsummer Night's Dream:

Dramatis personae

THESEUS, Duke of Athens = Barack Obama
EGEUS, father to Hermia = Rod Stewart
LYSANDER, in love with Hermia = Justin Timberlake
DEMETRIUS, in love with Hermia = Eminem
PHILOSTRATE, Master of the Revels to Theseus = Steve Colbert
QUINCE, a carpenter = Chuck Norris
SNUG, a joiner = Newt Gingrich
BOTTOM, a weaver = Bill O'Reilly (anybody who can kiss this ass deserves to be President)
FLUTE, a bellows-mender = Glen Beck
SNOUT, a tinker = Rush Limbaugh
STARVELING, a tailor = Ann Coulter

HIPPOLYTA, Queen of the Amazons, bethrothed to Theseus = Michelle Obama
HERMIA, daughter to Egeus, in love with Lysander = Madonna
HELENA, in love with Demetrius = Britney Spears

OBERON, King of the Fairies = Bill Clinton
TITANIA, Queen of the Fairies = Hillary Clinton
PUCK, or ROBIN GOODFELLOW = Jon Stewart (You were expecting maybe George Stephanopoulos?)

PEASEBLOSSOM, fairy = Wolf Blitzer
COBWEB, fairy = Anderson Cooper
MOTH, fairy = Lou Dobbs
MUSTARDSEED, fairy = Tony Snow

PROLOGUE, PYRAMUS, THISBY, WALL, MOONSHINE, LION are presented
by:
QUINCE, BOTTOM, FLUTE, SNOUT, STARVELING, AND SNUG

Other Fairies attending their King and Queen
Attendants on Theseus and Hippolyta

Actual Jon Stewart quote heard with mine own ears: Oh, what fools these mortals be!

The show will run until Goose-Summer, except for Miss Hillary, who will be running until Lady Day, 2009.

Maybe they should assign custody using a proportional method.

Saw Mark Penn in half, and give the Clintons 55% of him.

What really burns my biscuits is that Obama now has to apparently bend over backwards to help pay back the $11 million in campaign debt that Clinton has accumulated.

Edsel: What really burns my biscuits is that Obama now has to apparently bend over backwards to help pay back the $11 million in campaign debt that Clinton has accumulated.

Sounds like Hillary could use a little personal responsibility.

Edsel: What really burns my biscuits is that Obama now has to apparently bend over backwards to help pay back the $11 million in campaign debt that Clinton has accumulated.

If forced to choose, I'd rather he did that than give her VP (or any position in his administration, for that matter). Still pretty lame that people that wanted to donate to Obama would actually end up lining the Clintons' pockets. If he set up a separate fund for it though, I wouldn't have much of a problem.

/I miss ChestertheSnake's crazy ramblings.

Dear Hillary,
I used to have a smidgen of respect for you. Then you farked it up by running a dirty campaign against Obama that you knew you stood no chance of winning. This was obviously done out of your own inflated sense of self-worth and huge ego. But here's the kicker: you're not all that great. In fact, you singlehandedly ensured that America will NEVER have a woman President. Congratulations, you pioneer, you.

P.S. I hope President Obama removes You, Bill, and the Bushes from Secret Service protection. I suspect he might. Get your passport in order.

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: till pretty lame that people that wanted to donate to Obama would actually end up lining the Clintons' pockets.

Even worse -- most of the money is owed to Mark Penn. So he gets rewarded for being an incompetent fark and Hillary gets off scot free even though this mess wouldn't exist if she had done the reasonable thing and dropped out weeks ago.

Donald_McRonald: Mark Penn looks like an overweight Jason Sudeikis.

Haw haw, you know what Jason Sudeikis looks like.

/and who he is
//and how to spell his name

Diogenes: Only question now is who gets custody Mark Penn

"You take him!"

"No - YOU take him!"

Please stop, you're bringing back painful memories.

Edsel: What really burns my biscuits is that Obama now has to apparently bend over backwards to help pay back the $11 million in campaign debt that Clinton has accumulated.

Hillary Clinton has 35 years of experience evading collection agencies?

I LOVE it.

Edsel: What really burns my biscuits is that Obama now has to apparently bend over backwards to help pay back the $11 million in campaign debt that Clinton has accumulated.

wait what?!?