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(Reason Magazine) Interesting You want to sell it, your customers want to buy it, and it's perfectly safe to eat, but state and federal governments say "Nope."   (reason.com) divider line 250
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jrs1014 2008-05-08 07:44:15 PM  
yeah you would think marijuana would be legal by now

 
stephen02tb 2008-05-08 07:44:22 PM  
regulations are in place to ensure your "perfectly safe to eat" food

follow them

 
blackizcool420 2008-05-08 07:44:29 PM  
Lemme guess, got milk?

 
Heamer 2008-05-08 07:44:45 PM  
Why do farmers hate America?

 
br0g 2008-05-08 07:44:59 PM  
Penis?

 
AR55 2008-05-08 07:45:15 PM  
FTA: Joel Salatin is a self-proclaimed "Christian-conservative-libertarian-environmentalist-lunatic"

That is quite a mouthful.

 
simpsonfan 2008-05-08 07:45:26 PM  
Don't pay money, barter. With things like those engravings of Presidents.

 
Imeant2dothat 2008-05-08 07:45:46 PM  
What is 'beaver' Alex?

/hurrhurr

 
40oz_A_Knight 2008-05-08 07:45:56 PM  
Good to see both Reason and Joel Salatin both getting some further exposure.

 
Atomic Spunk 2008-05-08 07:46:13 PM  
How dare he question the logic of governmental regulation! I have his SSN and I know where he lives. I will be monitoring this troublemaker very closely.

 
Sharkface217 2008-05-08 07:46:18 PM  
I love these Reason magazine links. No, really.


/not an Objectivist
//but I really like some tenants of objectivism
///neo-Objectivist?

 
almandot 2008-05-08 07:46:48 PM  
Click for Reason?

 
Squirrel Nutkin 2008-05-08 07:47:16 PM  
His brother Joseph isn't laughing.

/ba-da chi

 
Darwin's Prophet 2008-05-08 07:47:21 PM  
I'm currently taking parasitology in vet school. Trust me, inspection of meat is a good thing, unless you enjoy certain worms burrowing through your brain.

 
discount sushi 2008-05-08 07:47:29 PM  
I wanted to stop by the Salatin's farm to get some food for the weekend since I'll be passing through there, but no dice. No one will return calls.

Someday I'll be back around there and I'll make sure. Nothing like fresh off the farm.

 
Fair_Poopsmith [TotalFark] 2008-05-08 07:47:50 PM  
Sharkface217: I love these Reason magazine links. No, really.


/not an Objectivist
//but I really like some tenants of objectivism
///neo-Objectivist?


Tenants? Really?

 
Batewoman 2008-05-08 07:47:55 PM  
2. Sell raw milk and other dairy products: "Officialdom believes that only pasteurized milk is safe. The fact that people have been drinking raw milk throughout human history, and still drink it all over the world and in 20-some states, means nothing to them."

Yes and the fact that listeria and other bovine diseases have killed thousands over the period of that time because the milk wasn't pasteurized means nothing to him.

I have no pity for this guy.

 
Miles D Davis Jr. 2008-05-08 07:48:29 PM  
Joel Salatin is a self-proclaimed "Christian-conservative-libertarian-environmentalist-lunatic"

Ahh, a throw back to crazy Christians of yore; the crazy that, you know, isn't actively trying to destroy/regress society.

I wish we had more of them.

 
milleniumhand 2008-05-08 07:48:49 PM  
Hey Subby,

Have you ever had a bad case of food poisoning? Most 'legal' businesses have plenty of liability insurance. If your little girl ends up in hospital after drinking contaminated goat's milk, you might see things a little differently.

 
Chariset [TotalFark] 2008-05-08 07:49:01 PM  
I was all set with a 'You don't want to create demand for that' before realizing that it wasn't an article about consensual cannibalism.

Boy is my face red

 
Infernal Wedgie 2008-05-08 07:49:27 PM  
The rate at which raw milk causes illnesses is magnitudes greater than the rate at which pasteurized milk causes illnesses.

Same with unpasteurized juices.

You wanna poison your family, then that's all good and well. The Gov't will laugh at you when you die of botulism. But if you make money off it, then that's a consumer protection issue and probably gets into interstate commerce. Oh, and clean slaughter? The photos I have here beg to differ.

/I work in food safety, so I'm getting a kick...

 
Rev. Skarekroe [TotalFark] 2008-05-08 07:49:32 PM  
Imeant2dothat: What is 'beaver' Alex?

My favorite '70s porn star.

 
Sharkface217 2008-05-08 07:49:32 PM  
Darwin's Prophet

While I admit that government food inspection has been very, very beneficial, the underlying idea that the government is now too invasive in our lives is one that cannot be ignored. Should the FDA be cut? I'm not sure, but I'd settle for the repeal of the PATRIOT ACT first.

 
DerekSD 2008-05-08 07:49:53 PM  
wtf is 'custom-slaughtered?'

do you get to pick a way in which your steak gets dead?

 
DipsomaniacDawg 2008-05-08 07:49:55 PM  
That guys book is called Everything I Want to do is Illegal.

It should come with a warning label:

"WARNING: The following book does not describe the life of a criminal anarchist mastermind who would like to rape, steal, murder, smoke weed, and jaywalk. This man is only interested in making jam."

 
SilentStrider [TotalFark] 2008-05-08 07:50:13 PM  
you want it all but you can't have it
its in your face but you can't grab it
WHAT. IS. IT.

 
Kludge [TotalFark] 2008-05-08 07:50:32 PM  
You want to sell it, your customers want to buy it, and it's perfectly safe to eat smoke, but state and federal governments say "Nope."

 
Jonathan Hohensee 2008-05-08 07:51:31 PM  
I say someone should try and go for the Reason trifecta.

Batewoman: 2. Sell raw milk and other dairy products: "Officialdom believes that only pasteurized milk is safe. The fact that people have been drinking raw milk throughout human history, and still drink it all over the world and in 20-some states, means nothing to them."

Yes and the fact that listeria and other bovine diseases have killed thousands over the period of that time because the milk wasn't pasteurized means nothing to him.

I have no pity for this guy.

Then don't buy his stuff.
But don't stop the organic freak shows from getting what they want.

 
Githerax 2008-05-08 07:52:53 PM  
FTFA3. Sell custom-slaughtered meat by the piece: "My position is that if meat [slaughtered outside the normal factory processes] is OK for people to eat, give away, or feed their children-which indicates that it is not an inherently hazardous product-we should have freedom to also sell it. The restrictions are on the commerce of it. The attitude is: The only thing that is safe to eat is something with a government stamp on it, unless you get it free. Exchange money, and it's somehow not safe."

Nice way to completely miss the point.

1.) Nobody claims it's inherently unsafe; the problem is lack of accountability for liability.

2.) Additionally, gov't regulation allows a surpisingly quick and effective isolation and containment of contaminated product.

3.) Why will I believe that the meat you hand-process is safe; because of your good conscience and integrity? The stakes are too high for that kind of unqualified investment of trust.

 
skinink 2008-05-08 07:54:17 PM  

 
Miles D Davis Jr. 2008-05-08 07:54:32 PM  
Batewoman: 2. Sell raw milk and other dairy products: "Officialdom believes that only pasteurized milk is safe. The fact that people have been drinking raw milk throughout human history, and still drink it all over the world and in 20-some states, means nothing to them."

Yes and the fact that listeria and other bovine diseases have killed thousands over the period of that time because the milk wasn't pasteurized means nothing to him.

I have no pity for this guy.



For the vast majority of those diseases, their pathogens only killed people because of lack of care/antibiotics. I agree that pasteurized milk should be the only one sold on large scale, but people wanting to drink raw milk is minuscule compared to legal shiat people do to themselves everyday.

For the same reason cannabis should be legal, so should raw milk.

 
stephen02tb 2008-05-08 07:54:41 PM  
Jonathan Hohensee: Then don't buy his stuff.
But don't stop the organic freak shows from getting what they want.


What about the nearby families who buy it because they happen to be poor, and its cheaper then other methods of purchase? Who will help them when they get brain worms from bad meat.

They have the choice yes, but if it became common place, the masses or poor wouldn't think of the potential dangers as much.

 
Accolade 2008-05-08 07:54:42 PM  
Batewoman: Yes and the fact that listeria and other bovine diseases have killed thousands over the period of that time because the milk wasn't pasteurized means nothing to him.

Hey! If I want to kill myself with bovine disease, that's MY choice!

/summa cum laude - Bovine University

 
Darwin's Prophet 2008-05-08 07:54:45 PM  
Sharkface217: Darwin's Prophet

While I admit that government food inspection has been very, very beneficial, the underlying idea that the government is now too invasive in our lives is one that cannot be ignored. Should the FDA be cut? I'm not sure, but I'd settle for the repeal of the PATRIOT ACT first.


If those infections stopped with the person who is infected by choosing to eat untested meat than I think you would have a point. But many of these infections can then be passed on to others through poor hygene, making it a public health concern. So yes, we do surrender a certain amount of freedom to protect the common good.

 
Batewoman 2008-05-08 07:55:22 PM  
Jonathan Hohensee: But don't stop the organic freak shows from getting what they want.

Unfortunately for you and this idiot and fortunately for malinformed "organic freak shows", it is still illegal for farmers to potentially expose people to botulism, e. coli, and listeria.

If he wants to get an occupational license, he can sell his ready-made food but there is a good reason that other stuff is illegal.

 
cakefart 2008-05-08 07:55:23 PM  
Raw milk is the perfect medium for transmission of:

1) Cholera
2) Typhus
3) Tuberculosis

Before Pasteurization, it was the in the top three ways to pick up any one of those diseases. It's worked so well, people have forgotten why it was done in the first place.

God damn America's Science Education!

 
Tartan69 [TotalFark] 2008-05-08 07:56:22 PM  
I come from a dairy farming family, and am a Republican. So it would be in my theoretical best interest to support the non-regulated sale of non-pasteurized milk. But the posters before me have made the salient points that show government regulation of foodstuffs is a GOOD thing.

This is not the nanny-state regulating your social activities and decisions. This is consumer protection, through-and-through. I think it should be legal for those producers that are licensed and provide proper notice of the risks of raw milk. However, THIS IS ALREADY THE CASE. The government is allowing this if you follow the framework of the license.

Seems pretty simple to me.

 
lindseyp [TotalFark] 2008-05-08 07:56:35 PM  
"The attitude is: The only thing that is safe to eat is something with a government stamp on it, unless you get it free. Exchange money, and it's somehow not safe."


Fail!

The government has no control over meat products which are at high risk of spreading disease if not produced under strictly controlled conditions. The government can mandate that only certified products be sold. Since the vast majority of people who would like to pass on their product to others would like to get paid for it, this controls the quality of the vast majority of produce consumed.

The government may not be in control of home produced goods which may be given away, but people are made aware of the risks (except this doofus) by the very fact that certification is required for a commercial product, and very few people are likely to give away what they deem to have value, so problems caused by unsafe produce are greatly limited in scale.

 
SharkInfested 2008-05-08 07:57:04 PM  
hmm, my ex-boyfriend suffered from brucellosis as a result of growing up on a farm and drinking unpasturized milk, so I imagine he would be weighing in on the "NO" side of this discussion.

in theory, I'm behind the "let the people have what they want" argument, but some regulations do exist for a reason

 
All_Farked_Up 2008-05-08 07:57:05 PM  
Grew up on raw milk, fresh produce. and freshly slaughtered meat (last 2 raised by my own hands). Never had a problem and all 3 taste a whole lot better.

 
Tartan69 [TotalFark] 2008-05-08 07:57:10 PM  
Tartan69: I come from a dairy farming family, and am a Republican.

Clarification: Libertarian-leaning Republican

 
Gigglecream 2008-05-08 07:57:26 PM  
I just ate a T-Bone steak from a live cow bought at a county fair, and it was deee-licious.

/Two steaks, a scotch, and goat's milk for the boy

 
Freezy Peak 2008-05-08 07:59:23 PM  
I drank raw milk for three years without illness. What do I win?

 
m053486 2008-05-08 07:59:54 PM  
I used to work at a restaurant that did a lot of business with Polyface (though they are actually in Swope, not Charlottesville). The owner, Mike (I don't know his last name) is a pretty cool guy...their trucks run on bio-diesel, and their farm is one of the few farms I've seen with happy animals.

/Relevant? Not so much. Though they make some rad micro collards and pork belly.

 
middle kid 2008-05-08 08:00:28 PM  
stephen02tb: regulations are in place to ensure your "perfectly safe to eat" food

follow them


this.

 
drinki bird 2008-05-08 08:00:36 PM  
I want the freedom to put whatever I want into my own body. its my body. I should be the one to choose whether I want to risk all the potential unpleasant results from drinking raw milk. or homemade jelly.


/cool refreshing glass of jelly
//may or may not have had a few too many cool refreshing glasses of beer this eveing...

 
lindseyp [TotalFark] 2008-05-08 08:00:40 PM  
Gigglecream: I just ate a T-Bone steak from a live cow bought at a county fair, and it was deee-licious.

/Two steaks, a scotch, and goat's milk for the boy


Isn't that a bit cruel?

I've seen people eat cuts from live fish, but a T-bone steak from a cow that's not even dead yet seems a bit much.

 
Spongiform 2008-05-08 08:00:52 PM  
As my name implies, I'm getting a mad kick out of these replies...

 
Pincy 2008-05-08 08:00:58 PM  
"Christian-conservative-libertarian-environmentalist-lunatic"

Yep, I think they got them all. Good job.

 
SweetDickens 2008-05-08 08:01:17 PM  
Eat your GMO pesticide, hormone laden, irradiated foods.

 
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