"We don't accept 2,025. It is not the real number because that does not include Florida and Michigan," said Howard Wolfson, one of Clinton's two chief strategists. "It's a phony number."

Wolfson said they intend to contest the DNC's 2,025 number "every day," as well as any declaration of victory made by Obama based upon that number, because it does not include Florida and Michigan.

... Obama will not reach the 2,025 magic number on May 20. Rather, on that date he is all but certain to hit a different threshold-1,627 pledged delegates, which would constitute a winning majority among the 3,253 total pledged delegates if Florida and Michigan are not included.


typical clinton argument. contest something that isn't even technically being posited, and then put your fingers in your ears and repeat it ad infinitum.

You know who else prematurely predicted "victory"
//jk, one should never compare Obama to Bush

It's a fair bet that he has his super-delegates all line up so on 5/20 the delegates he gets with the primaries in Oregon and Kentucky put him over 2025.

That's the only way he can declare victory without causing an uproar. He's too smart to do otherwise.

CravenMorehead: It's a fair bet that he has his super-delegates all line up so on 5/20 the delegates he gets with the primaries in Oregon and Kentucky put him over 2025.

That's the only way he can declare victory without causing an uproar. He's too smart to do otherwise.

I seriously hope you are right.

robsul82: GAME OVER



Maybe I'm not up on my current events, but we just got our arses kicked!

He's going to march on stage with damn near 100% of the superdelegates. No way Clinton can defend that.

In other news, McCain to declare victory in November.

the_rev: In other news, McCain to declare victory in November.

Hooray! Now Zoidberg will have company.

"We don't accept 2,025. It is not the real number because that does not include Florida and Michigan," said Howard Wolfson, one of Clinton's two chief strategists. "It's a phony number."

Well, they were phony primaries. Funny how that works, eh Howard (you smug POS)?

CravenMorehead: It's a fair bet that he has his super-delegates all line up so on 5/20 the delegates he gets with the primaries in Oregon and Kentucky put him over 2025.

That's the only way he can declare victory without causing an uproar. He's too smart to do otherwise.

I would say he should wait till the May 31 DNC rules committee meeting. That would be gracious.

UNLESS...

He breaks the magic number 0f 2025, giving the silent superdelegates from California the reason they'd need to defy the state's popular vote and cross over to Obama.

the_rev: In other news, McCain to declare victory in November.

Diogenes: I would say he should wait till the May 31 DNC rules committee meeting. That would be gracious.

I agree. He will have enough delegates and votes to make both of those states inconsequential at that point and it would help repair the party if he waits until then.

Hillary's chance to exit gracefully has come and gone though. I think he's tired of waiting for that to happen. And I think Hillary would rather be pushed out against her will than admit defeat. She'll have others to blame then.

They're still working on the meaning of the word "is", which is not a good sign for someone that hopes to progress to "My Pet Goat" next year.

Not a good sign at all.

I hear David Plouffe is going to call Hillary at 3 am on Tuesday and whisper "seven daysssss".

Psychotropic

Oh yeah - I LOL'd.

Hey Feb. 5th was my birthday. Guess what I wished for!
May 20th is my daughter's birthday. Looks like we will both be getting birthday presents.

Good, can we go home now? I've been looking at politics threads to the detriment of beer discussions- that insanity must stop.

Psychotropic - nicely done.

The Hillary concession thread is going to be epic. I'm going to have to stock up on popcorn and beer.

March_Hare: The Hillary concession thread is going to be epic.

I was thinking the same thing. I predict a mountain of Hillary pics with FAIL splashed across them. I can't wait.

Is there anything on Hillaryis44 on this one yet?

March_Hare: The Hillary concession thread is going to be epic. I'm going to have to stock up on popcorn and beer.

Yeah. It might even end up in the "top comments" section.

FTFA:
"We don't accept 2,025. It is not the real number because that does not include Florida and Michigan," said Howard Wolfson, one of Clinton's two chief strategists. "It's a phony number."

Clinton's big mistake was waiting until now to make this argument. I'm not even saying it's valid now. But by waiting to make the argument, it's desperation. The mantra of the Clinton campaign should have been "2209!" since the Florida primary.

Kanyon: I was thinking the same thing. I predict a mountain of Hillary pics with FAIL splashed across them. I can't wait.

Christmas had better come early this year.

the_rev: In other news, McCain to declare victory in November.

hopefully, I'm really interested in seeing what the republicans can do for us with another 4 years...

Kanyon: March_Hare: The Hillary concession thread is going to be epic.

I was thinking the same thing. I predict a mountain of Hillary pics with FAIL splashed across them. I can't wait.

I hope someone make a Tom Cruise-meme rip-off with 'Why my superdelegates no werk?!'

It is cute to see how Republicans like the_rev still think they can win in November. Sure the average person is stupid, but the first time they have a debate on healthcare and Obama breaks it down into a sound bite that John McCain wants to take away the incentive for your company to give you insurance McCain is farking toast. Period, end of story. If the American people are not nuanced enough to realize that Trinity United Church of Christ is not a Muslim Mosque, then they are not going to understand the failed logic in the idea that some how choice trumps demand in economics.

Wolfson said they intend to contest the DNC's 2,025 number "every day," as well as any declaration of victory made by Obama based upon that number, because it does not include Florida and Michigan.

Asshole

moops: "We don't accept 2,025. It is not the real number because that does not include Florida and Michigan," said Howard Wolfson, one of Clinton's two chief strategists. "It's a phony number."

That... that is pure win.

+1

I just want to reassert that Hillaryis44 is AWESOME. A couple of my favorite recent ones, emphasis added:

# paddy4Hill Says:
May 8th, 2008 at 3:38 am

"Before I get piled on...I still have a reasonable expectation of Hillary winning this nomination."

Well, I guess that makes 5 of us; you, me, Hillary, Bill and Chelsea.

I am sadly disappointed in the responses from many of the people (but not all by all means) on this site. Just a week or so ago, everybody was crowing so loudly about the end of Obama due to his scandals, his loss in PA. etc. "Oh how the Obama people are in tears" you bellowed with such puffed out chests. Now Hillary comes from behind and wins IN and loses a state she never really had a chance to win, and look at all the sunshine patriots. I guess Hillary deserves to lose if this is the mental state of her most loyal followers. If Richardson is Judas Priest, you are Peter the denier "I never knew the woman."

I truly pray that Hillary never visits this site as it has been rumored. She would drop out for sure.



# HillGuy Says:
May 8th, 2008 at 4:13 am

paddy4Hill, your posts ALWAYS inspire me. I have the same feeling you and oklahomahills have. I KNOW she is going to win. Something within not only my psyche but my heart KNOWS she is going to win. Call it gay man's intuition.

BTW, Obamabots know she is going to win too. You don't threaten to riot when things are going your way. Think about that for a minute.



# ABM90 Says:
May 8th, 2008 at 10:06 am

I AM ANGRY AS HELL: This country is under assault by the SLEEPING GIANT,BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA,has secretly stirred up and we are letting him steal every that is near and dear to our values.He and Jeramiah have a long engineered plan to use the Whitehouse as the base that will bring BLACK POWER and constant FEAR into our lives.It has begun .Just read the crime news every day and you will see what is takening place.We must resist this threat of riots,mayhem,civil disobedience and yes even murders,fanning the fires of racial hate by the self-styled LEADER OF HIS PEOPLE..Notice that he always uses WE when he lalks about CHANGE. What fearful and disgusting candidate and his SVENGALI MENTOR,THE MAD and DANGEROUS JERAMIAH. Wake up Americans,Black and WHITE alike,or future and our lives are about to be changed forever. We must take with

support for Hillary,The smartest and toughest Woman ever to stand before our country and ask that we make her the 44th PRESIDENT of this great Nation.PLEASE do not let another FARAKAHND come into our lives.


# B Merryfield Says:
May 8th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

The DNC's newest, desperately needed new cash cow = Rainmaker Obama.

rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/follow-money-rainmaker-obama.html


//I don't know why the last one was so hilarious to me, but it was

Is there anything this man can't do?

guilt by association: Yeah. It might even end up in the "top comments" section.

Doubt it, there arent a whole bunch of recent threads on there because the mods tend to break them up now.

Still absolutely pumped for that concession.

Hillary is way off. The 2,209 delegate total that they're spouting is entirely too low. I mean, the nation's housepets haven't yet had the chance to vote. Yes, the rules may say that quadrupeds don't deserve a voice in the primary process, but I think that's too large a segment of the electorate to alienate before the general election.

Typical White Person: Clinton's big mistake was waiting until now to make this argument. I'm not even saying it's valid now. But by waiting to make the argument, it's desperation. The mantra of the Clinton campaign should have been "2209!" since the Florida primary.

I kind of agree. But back when it would have been appropriate to challenge the ruling, she was heir apparent. I kind of think that's why Dean came down hard on the states (unlike the RNC that said the delegate counts would be halved as punishment). He had no clue how close it was going to be.

DaSwankOne: If the American people are not nuanced enough to realize that Trinity United Church of Christ is not a Muslim Mosque, then they are not going to understand the failed logic in the idea that some how choice trumps demand in economics.

I think you underestimate the ability of the American people to use logic, failed or otherwise.

/Gas tax holiday anyone?

March_Hare: The Hillary concession thread is going to be epic. I'm going to have to stock up on popcorn and beer.

ohmygod THIS.

it will be epic.

WillyShwonka: I just want to reassert that Hillaryis44 is AWESOME. A couple of my favorite recent ones, emphasis added:

LMAO. Thanks for sharing that.

Anyone have the list of quotes from Wolfson earlier this year where he completely contradicts the 2209 assertion repeatedly?

/running for president under the 'Clinton' brandname...$200 million
//cost of continuing the campaign after $$ dries up...$11.4 mill
///showing desparation for the nom by repeatedly changing the rules you yourself established... priceless

Getting the Dem NOMNOMNOM takes 2,025 delegates. For everything else there's Clinton Math.

ravenlore: March_Hare: The Hillary concession thread is going to be epic. I'm going to have to stock up on popcorn and beer.

ohmygod THIS.

it will be epic.

Can we hotlink that thread into Hillaryis44 or something...that would be EPIC!!!

WillyShwonka: If Richardson is Judas Priest

This makes me wish I had Photoshop at work.

I truly pray that Hillary never visits this site as it has been rumored.

Why is it that everytime I see the work pray on Hillaryis44 I think of:

my pary are with the father who lost his children ; i am truley sorry for your lots

So her argument is that Obama doesn't win because he doesn't reach 2209. Question for them... who *does* when then since, you know, Hillary is further from that number than Obama? Will the election end up being McCain vs NULL or something?

♫ With the delegate 2025, man may stay alive, but woman won't survive... ♫

beav: So her argument is that Obama doesn't win because he doesn't reach 2209. Question for them... who *does* when then since, you know, Hillary is further from that number than Obama? Will the election end up being McCain vs NULL or something?

I think her opinion has been that it wouldn't even matter if Obama cracked her fairy tale made up number. It doesn't matter if he beats her in the primary. Because, in her mind, she's the only one who can defeat McCain.

It's the only argument she has left, and the weakest one yet.

beav: So her argument is that Obama doesn't win because he doesn't reach 2209. Question for them... who *does* when then since, you know, Hillary is further from that number than Obama? Will the election end up being McCain vs NULL or something?

No. They will be able to force a brokered convention. That's been Hillary's only real hope for the last couple of months.

beav: Question for them... who *does* when then since, you know, Hillary is further from that number than Obama?

Well, even with MI and FL being seated, Hillary would still be behind in the pledged delegate count, so her strategy is to stay in as long as possible and hope Obama gets caught with a dead hooker, then try to pull his superdelegates away.

I like the "Notice that he always uses WE when he talks about CHANGE." part too. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! *crinkles helmet*

nom nom nom