I saw her interview on The Today Show. If she is really going to hide behind the "well John's running for President, not me" excuse then she probably ought not open her mouth for the next 6 months.

Well he is running for President and not her. I dunno is it really anyone's business how much she makes as long as she pays her taxes?

John McCain -- when his campaign was struggling with money -- was able to use a corporate jet (at a lower cost) owned by a private company headed by Cindy.

bfd, so can everyone who's family is above a certain level at many companies.

Gwendolyn: Well he is running for President and not her. I dunno is it really anyone's business how much she makes as long as she pays her taxes?

Well, considering McCain's trying to sneak by on some "non-elitist" point by pointing to his Senate salary and Navy pension as "my money," it might be needed. Obama far exceeds that total because of his books, it's not terribly fair when the other candidate has a shiatload of money they're pretending they don't have.

Gwendolyn: Well he is running for President and not her. I dunno is it really anyone's business how much she makes as long as she pays her taxes?

Being a married man and knowing several married men, the answer to your question is very much yes. I'm sure being married yourself, you can deduce what I'm trying to get across.

Hint: Marriage is a partnership.

robsul82: Gwendolyn: Well he is running for President and not her. I dunno is it really anyone's business how much she makes as long as she pays her taxes?

Well, considering McCain's trying to sneak by on some "non-elitist" point by pointing to his Senate salary and Navy pension as "my money," it might be needed. Obama far exceeds that total because of his books, it's not terribly fair when the other candidate has a shiatload of money they're pretending they don't have.

Has McCain actually levelled the elitist accusation? Show me where he has said this about Obama. I thought that was coming from Hillary's camp. (And the issue was more about accusations of intellectual elitism - Ivy League intellectual snobbery - than economic elitism.)

Nabb1: robsul82: Gwendolyn: Well he is running for President and not her. I dunno is it really anyone's business how much she makes as long as she pays her taxes?

Well, considering McCain's trying to sneak by on some "non-elitist" point by pointing to his Senate salary and Navy pension as "my money," it might be needed. Obama far exceeds that total because of his books, it's not terribly fair when the other candidate has a shiatload of money they're pretending they don't have.

Has McCain actually levelled the elitist accusation? Show me where he has said this about Obama. I thought that was coming from Hillary's camp. (And the issue was more about accusations of intellectual elitism - Ivy League intellectual snobbery - than economic elitism.)

McCain - "Obama remark elitist" (new window)

And yes, because voters really consider "intellectual elitism" and "economic elitism" separate issues and wouldn't dream to compare Obama's money and McCain's money (beer money excluded) as a point of discussion.

Well I don't really care to see a presidential nominee's tax records either. As long as the IRS knows and makes them pay their taxes who cares? It's no surprise every Presidential candidate is a millionaire.

I'm sure people some believe Bush is just a Rancher from Texas. Obama is just a family man barely getting by and Hillary is living on the royalties from her book sales. But those people are so farking stupid they wouldn't watch the news reports about tax returns anyway.

Nabb1: Show me where he has said this about Obama.

CNN Political Ticker ^{(^)}

But it's not Obama...it is just Obama's comments. And it isn't "elitist" per say...but intellectual elitism...and obviously Obama was wrong anyway so it makes everything ok because John McCain is in touch with small town America.

robsul82: McCain - "Obama remark elitist" (new window)

Well, there you go.

And yes, because voters really consider "intellectual elitism" and "economic elitism" separate issues and wouldn't dream to compare Obama's money and McCain's money (beer money excluded) as a point of discussion.

I don't really give a flying fark how much money either one has. I have no problems with a President being rich, whether he made it off of books, married it, or won big at the track.

Seeing as how part of the president's job is overseeing the economic welfare of the country....you can be damned sure I want to know the state of their personal finances.

If they can't be honest and intelligent with their own, can they be honest with the country's?

Gwendolyn: Well he is running for President and not her. I dunno is it really anyone's business how much she makes as long as she pays her taxes?

I don't care about her money. I just don't think she should either be in or be out. None of this "I'll chime in and campaign when it helps us, but you're not allowed to ask me any real questions" Chelsea Clinton-esque bullshiat.

baorao: I just don't think she should either be in or be out.

fixed.

Nabb1: robsul82: McCain - "Obama remark elitist" (new window)

Well, there you go.

And yes, because voters really consider "intellectual elitism" and "economic elitism" separate issues and wouldn't dream to compare Obama's money and McCain's money (beer money excluded) as a point of discussion.

I don't really give a flying fark how much money either one has. I have no problems with a President being rich, whether he made it off of books, married it, or won big at the track.

Neither do I. But some people do, and John McCain is trying to hoodwink them into thinking "I'm jus' folks" in part by pointing to his "I've got my salary from my job and my pension from my service in the military, that's it" stance. That sucks.

baorao: Gwendolyn: Well he is running for President and not her. I dunno is it really anyone's business how much she makes as long as she pays her taxes?

I don't care about her money. I just don't think she should either be in or be out. None of this "I'll chime in and campaign when it helps us, but you're not allowed to ask me any real questions" Chelsea Clinton-esque bullshiat.

Agreed.

Gwendolyn: Well he is running for President and not her. I dunno is it really anyone's business how much she makes as long as she pays her taxes?

Because of this (new window)

True, Teresa Heinz never disclosed all that dirty ketchup wealth, but there haven't been any major newspapers calling for Cindy to release hers.

/Darn liberal media bias

Gwendolyn: Well he is running for President and not her. I dunno is it really anyone's business how much she makes as long as she pays her taxes?

This is what people have been saying about Reverend Wright, with pronouns changed. Hasn't stopped them.

McCain is trying to sell Obama as the elitist, so having a wife release documents stating they - as a couple - make millions of dollars doesn't help his case. It also makes his donations paltry in comparison.

robsul82: Neither do I. But some people do, and John McCain is trying to hoodwink them into thinking "I'm jus' folks" in part by pointing to his "I've got my salary from my job and my pension from my service in the military, that's it" stance. That sucks.

Heh. I hadn't really noticed him claiming to be a man of modest means, but maybe they've got an iron-clad pre-nup. (That's a bit of a joke, not a rationalization.)

Gwendolyn: Well he is running for President and not her. I dunno is it really anyone's business how much she makes as long as she pays her taxes?

if he puts any of his own money into the campaign, the FEC at least would need full disclosure of their joint assets to be sure he is doing so per the rules.

Nabb1: or won big at the track

How funny would it be to have one of those degenerate race track guys as the President? He'd walk around with a miniature pencil in one hand, his green visor on, and he'd be talking to world leaders about whether they like the 2nd horse in the 4th or the 8th horse in the 3rd.

Ok, i will let this one go if she will convince her daughter to pose for playboy.

KaponoFor3: Nabb1: or won big at the track

How funny would it be to have one of those degenerate race track guys as the President? He'd walk around with a miniature pencil in one hand, his green visor on, and he'd be talking to world leaders about whether they like the 2nd horse in the 4th or the 8th horse in the 3rd.

Hmm.

Tried to find a picture of him, failed. Anyway, Mush from A Bronx Tale 08.

"I'll never make you stand in the bathroom, America!"

/for shiats and giggles, GIS "a bronx tale" + "mush" and look at the first picture that comes up for hilarity

robsul82: /for shiats and giggles, GIS "a bronx tale" + "mush" and look at the first picture that comes up for hilarity

I got a cheeseburger. Am I doing it wrong?

burndtdan: Gwendolyn: Well he is running for President and not her. I dunno is it really anyone's business how much she makes as long as she pays her taxes?

if he puts any of his own money into the campaign, the FEC at least would need full disclosure of their joint assets to be sure he is doing so per the rules.

This.

cousin-merle: robsul82: /for shiats and giggles, GIS "a bronx tale" + "mush" and look at the first picture that comes up for hilarity

I got a cheeseburger. Am I doing it wrong?

Yeah. I got John Kerry during his 2004 campaign.

/Democrat who voted for Kerry, but that's still funny

robsul82: Yeah. I got John Kerry during his 2004 campaign.

/Democrat who voted for Kerry, but that's still funny

I had moderate safe search on because I'm at work. I wish it would block images of Hillary too.

cousin-merle: robsul82: Yeah. I got John Kerry during his 2004 campaign.

/Democrat who voted for Kerry, but that's still funny

I had moderate safe search on because I'm at work. I wish it would block images of Hillary too.

Google finds images of John Kerry unsafe for the children? That might be even funnier.

She's not a "beer heiress", she's a Budweiser distributorship heiress.

DamnYankees: burndtdan: Gwendolyn: Well he is running for President and not her. I dunno is it really anyone's business how much she makes as long as she pays her taxes?

if he puts any of his own money into the campaign, the FEC at least would need full disclosure of their joint assets to be sure he is doing so per the rules.

This.

Yeah but until he does I don't see a problem with not disclosing your tax returns. (he might have. I haven't been following his campaign all that much yet)

Frankly, provided there's no conflict of interest between what she does and what he does, it doesn't bother me in the least. Didn't with Teresa Kerry and her husband (what's his name), either.

Nabb1: robsul82: Neither do I. But some people do, and John McCain is trying to hoodwink them into thinking "I'm jus' folks" in part by pointing to his "I've got my salary from my job and my pension from my service in the military, that's it" stance. That sucks.

Heh. I hadn't really noticed him claiming to be a man of modest means, but maybe they've got an iron-clad pre-nup. (That's a bit of a joke, not a rationalization.)

If he isn't, then why does he hide every bit of his money except a couple of months of salary and pension in his wife's accounts? Face it, McCain is the elitist, and he's hiding it.

Nabb1: I don't really give a flying fark how much money either one has. I have no problems with a President being rich, whether he made it off of books, married it, or won big at the track.

Yes, but you are intelligent, educated, reasonable and rational. In other words, an elitist!

Who gives a crap? I know every presidential candidate is a millionaire and I don't really care.

Gwendolyn: Yeah but until he does I don't see a problem with not disclosing your tax returns. (he might have. I haven't been following his campaign all that much yet

He did (new window)

Apparently you can run for President on $420,000, a book, and a dream. _{(and a billionaire wife)}

Audit the whoore.

So we elected an oil guy and a barrel of oil has jumped 400%.

Now we want to elect a beer guy?

dogfood: Now we want to elect a beer guy?

It's Budweiser.

Not really "beer" per se.

/Beer snob thread?

Nabb1: (And the issue was more about accusations of intellectual elitism - Ivy League intellectual snobbery - than economic elitism.)

This whole "it's about attitude not wealth" crap has to stop. I'm sorry, but cigar chomping, $100 bill burning beer heiresses probably do think that they're better than the rest of us.

And while we're at it, the idiots who are spewing off the "elitism" charges frankly think they're better than "liberals." It's a ridiculous feedback loop.

The Onanist: dogfood: Now we want to elect a beer guy?

It's Budweiser.

Not really "beer" per se.

/Beer snob thread?

Elitist.

/Beer snob.

LocalCynic: This whole "it's about attitude not wealth" crap has to stop.

But, "elitism" is a mindset, if you will, not a tax bracket.

And while we're at it, the idiots who are spewing off the "elitism" charges frankly think they're better than "liberals." It's a ridiculous feedback loop.

How dare they cross their betters like that! They should be caned in public for such insolence!

I don't think people should have to disclose this kind of info, and it sucks that it has come to be expected. That said, when someone doesn't, it looks a bit fishy.

If it were Michelle Obama or Bill Clinton that steadfastly refused to disclose this information, then the "liberal media" would be all over them. But the liberal media (hearts) McCain, so this will amount to nothing.

/just kidding...
//or am I...?

bulldg4life:

But it's not Obama...it is just Obama's comments. And it isn't "elitist" per say...but intellectual elitism...and obviously Obama was wrong anyway so it makes everything ok because John McCain is in touch with small town America.

Because his wife once wanted to purchase a small town in America?

It isn't how much money you make or have that makes you an elitist, it's your farking attitude. Having the money sure does make it easier to have an uppity elitist attitude though.

I don't care to see hers or Michelle Obama's tax return either. Bill's, I think is out there already but he isn't....

dogfood: So we elected an oil guy and a barrel of oil has jumped 400%.

Now we want to elect a beer guy?

Maybe we'll invade Germany again.
NO BLOOD FOR BEER!

She's not bad looking for an old broad. In the beer business too. McCain did pretty well for himself.

Nabb1: How dare they cross their betters like that! They should be caned in public for such insolence!

"We're better than them because they think they're better than us" is elitism. The liberal bashing industry is premised entirely on convincing people that they are morally superior to "snobbish" liberals.

And for the record, crossing the betters isn't like crossing the streams.

McCain, like Kerry, made himself famous because of Vietnam. People like them aren't smart, they aren't good people, and they never did anything of merit aside from fight in a war. They catapaulted from the talkshow circuit into politics and never looked back. Real 'men of the people' indeed. The Cindy Sheehans of the 1970s.

EriksMom: Ok, i will let this one go if she will convince her daughter to pose for playboy.

Great googly-moogly!

baorao: I saw her interview on The Today Show. If she is really going to hide behind the "well John's running for President, not me" excuse then she probably ought not open her mouth for the next 6 months.

If he never used any of her money fine, but that is not the case, he uses her wealth all of the time.

He lives in a house that is all in her name!!

LocalCynic: The liberal bashing industry is premised entirely on convincing people that they are morally superior to "snobbish" liberals.

The left wing crazy and the right wing crazy are the exact same kind of crazy.

No diff at all.