Sounds like a pretty racist statement to me. Wonder if the media, now free of having to pretend that Hillary has any shot at the nomination, will report it as such.

robsul82: Sounds like a pretty racist statement to me. Wonder if the media, now free of having to pretend that Hillary has any shot at the nomination, will report it as such.

How is it racist?

/ and she's taking the entire party down with her

She's writing ads for McCain's attack groups every time she opens her mouth.

I just sent this in an email (& posted in another forum), explaining why CLinton isn't "Giving up" ~

~~~

This is the LAST chance for the Clintons (both). They lose, no dynasty & they are off the map. If there is ever a time to beat a Republican, it is 2008, and with a Democratic Congress, it'll be a free for all. She is a "centrist" meaning she will do what it takes to get to power, but once in power with a majority Congress, it will be like nothing since FDR's NEW DEAL. They are predicting a possible 60% Democratic Congress, so it will be easy. Universal Health care? No prob. At least 2 SCOTUS appointees. Etc

Bill will be back in an unconsitutionally defined role as First Hubby & defacto 2nd in command of the USA (BELIEVE ME, whoever is tagged for Veep will know this, so it will be a Clinton lapdog or young Dan Quayle-like acolyte).

This is the ONLY shot & if they lose, it's over. Forever. She does not have the homegrown support to be a Ted Kennedy & stay in Senate forever, which I am sure is not what she wants. They have been brutal all their lives & lying cheating stealing is their forte (look how they tried to destroy David Geffen when he voiced his opinion Re: their ruthlessness). This primary is no different, only everything is at stake, so no stops are taken

It's now or never. Otherwise it's over as she is losing the feminist support & an overwhelming minority support. She was in the race on Super Tuesday (NY Primary) so all the Black Politcos were behind her in NY. It will be a different story now.

They have a loooong list of people who hate them within the Dem Party, but they have the power. After this, they will have no clout or leverage & there will be some major payback!

~~

OBAMA/RICHARDSON ~ my prediction

netweavr: robsul82: Sounds like a pretty racist statement to me. Wonder if the media, now free of having to pretend that Hillary has any shot at the nomination, will report it as such.

How is it racist?

You see an "and" or an "or" in there? No. You see clauses carrying over into "white Americans."

/white Irish Catholic, so don't even think about it

robsul82: netweavr: robsul82: Sounds like a pretty racist statement to me. Wonder if the media, now free of having to pretend that Hillary has any shot at the nomination, will report it as such.

How is it racist?

You see an "and" or an "or" in there? No. You see clauses carrying over into "white Americans."

/white Irish Catholic, so don't even think about it

Beyond that, where on Earth did she infer "working, hard-working" people were voting for her and not Obama? Have there been exit polls showing the job status of supporters? No, there haven't been. So why would she say that and run it straight into "white Americans?"

robsul82: So why would she say that and run it straight into "white Americans?"

I'm trying to find in the article where she's quoted as saying that. Has she said it somewhere else?

Perhaps it is because she has lost the support of hard working black Americans. The only group that is still supporting her is the 65+ white grannies that only want to see a vaginally equipped person as president before they die.

In other news, I really wish she would STFU and GBTW in the senate.

She's apparently "trying" to sway supers with this argument. It's not going to work.

If she keeps this up, backlash, and lose her senate seat in 2012, not running for pres again

after 8 years of bush, only the democrats could find a way to fark up an easy win.

/...err president bush. What Hillary does on her free time is her own business

Nevermind, found it.

What an interesting thing to say.

leperboy69: robsul82: So why would she say that and run it straight into "white Americans?"

I'm trying to find in the article where she's quoted as saying that. Has she said it somewhere else?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clintons_white_Americans.html

leperboy69: I'm trying to find in the article where she's quoted as saying that. Has she said it somewhere else?

here (pops)

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

My husband's a hardworking white American who has not yet finished college. He hates you, Hillary, almost as much as I do. And I'm a woman. (But a black woman, so I don't count.)


Oh, right, but that means he's married to a black woman which makes him an honorary negro, so i guess he doesn't count either.

Insurance_EE_guy, baorao

Cheers fellas.

robsul82: robsul82: netweavr: robsul82: Sounds like a pretty racist statement to me. Wonder if the media, now free of having to pretend that Hillary has any shot at the nomination, will report it as such.

How is it racist?

You see an "and" or an "or" in there? No. You see clauses carrying over into "white Americans."

/white Irish Catholic, so don't even think about it

Beyond that, where on Earth did she infer "working, hard-working" people were voting for her and not Obama? Have there been exit polls showing the job status of supporters? No, there haven't been. So why would she say that and run it straight into "white Americans?"

A) The article doesn't claim she said that.

B) Hard-working means working-class in this context.

C) White Americans in the working-class are a subset of working-class Americans.

D) FTFA: Obama, the Illinois senator battling to become the first black president, again failed to gain ground with a crucial voting bloc that has consistently eluded him - working-class whites. But he pieced together coalitions that besides blacks included the young, first-time primary voters, the very liberal and college graduates, plus sizable minorities of whites.

According to exit polls of voters, about two-thirds of whites in both states who have not completed college were supporting Clinton. The New York senator could use that to fortify her argument that she would be the stronger Democratic candidate in the November general election. Of 28 states that held primaries in which she and Obama competed before Tuesday, Clinton had prevailed with working-class white voters in 25.

White men!
White women!
The swastika is calling you!


/i hate illinois nazis
/i love illinois jr senators

"hard-working American(COMMA) white Americans, is weakening again"

EMPHASIS

I guess Black Americans aren't hard working.

I know I know, she didn't say that

Well, it looks like this coffin needs one more nail for it.

Clinton: "Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again"

Ah, that'll do nicely.

I wonder if African-Americans resent being places under the umbrella of "blacks" as much as I get salty when someone typifies me as belonging to the box labeled "whites."

/i think i know the answer to that

looks like rachel maddow might be right... clinton will stay on the attack, and will still be completely irrational.

Read.

The.

Farking.

Article.

Jesus farking Christ on a nuclear pogo stick. Before you shoot your mouths off about how racist she is, make sure she actually said it.

I have no doubt that racism has crept into this campaign from the Clinton camp. But if you're going to lob criticism, don't make shiat up. It appears foolish and weak when you pop off about things that you know nothing about.

The next person to criticize the events that supposedly happened in the headline better link to another article where she actually is quoted saying that.

-1, subby. Asshat.

/Obama voter

Biatch be crazy 'n shiat!!!

CRAZY!!!!

leperboy69: Nevermind, found it.

What an interesting thing to say.

Clinton rejected any idea that her emphasis on white voters could be interpreted as racially divisive. "These are the people you have to win if you're a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election. Everybody knows that."

Are we talking to each other as adults or as children who freak out when someone says "whites" or "blacks?"

rocinante721: OBAMA/RICHARDSON ~ my prediction

That might actually work very well! I really like Richardson.

leperboy69: Nevermind, found it.

What an interesting thing to say.

Okay. Thank you. Now we can talk about what is a racist statement from Clinton. I will assume that subby linked the wrong article, and retract my "asshat" remark.

netweavr: A) The article doesn't claim she said that.

don't bother noticing the 3 or 4 links to sources that directly quote her saying it.

zorgon: rocinante721: OBAMA/RICHARDSON ~ my prediction

That might actually work very well! I really like Richardson.

(A) He put himself on the line being the first to abandon the SS Clintanic for legit reasons & not to be a Clinton lapdog

(B) He can get the Hispanic vote in droves, which O cannot

(C) Overall standup guy

/republican who would vote for THIS ticket

Barnacles!

That is an awesome pic.

zorgon: rocinante721: OBAMA/RICHARDSON ~ my prediction

That might actually work very well! I really like Richardson.

I'd be worried that ticket won't appeal to the crowd in the same way Hillary is saying Obama can't. I'd expect him to pick someone white, with a military background, and a less well-known.

netweavr: Are we talking to each other as adults or as children who freak out when someone says "whites" or "blacks?"

I agree she's just pointing out what polling numbers say, and trying to sell herself to the superdelegates.

meh

burndtdan: netweavr: A) The article doesn't claim she said that.

don't bother noticing the 3 or 4 links to sources that directly quote her saying it.

Amazing how when you don't automatically refresh every second comments appear between the one you're responding to and your response.

netweavr: leperboy69: Nevermind, found it.

What an interesting thing to say.

Clinton rejected any idea that her emphasis on white voters could be interpreted as racially divisive. "These are the people you have to win if you're a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election. Everybody knows that."

Are we talking to each other as adults or as children who freak out when someone says "whites" or "blacks?"

Continue to ignore the actual quote and softening it into "context." The actual quote doesn't mesh it any "subset" apologist thinking. It's a straight line.

robsul82: netweavr: leperboy69: Nevermind, found it.

What an interesting thing to say.

Clinton rejected any idea that her emphasis on white voters could be interpreted as racially divisive. "These are the people you have to win if you're a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election. Everybody knows that."

Are we talking to each other as adults or as children who freak out when someone says "whites" or "blacks?"

Continue to ignore the actual quote and softening it into "context." The actual quote doesn't mesh it any "subset" apologist thinking. It's a straight line.

It's paraphrasing an AP article.

From the link: Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

Insurance_EE_guy: netweavr: Are we talking to each other as adults or as children who freak out when someone says "whites" or "blacks?"

I agree she's just pointing out what polling numbers say, and trying to sell herself to the superdelegates.

meh

Again, what polling numbers suggest Obama just gets votes from non-"working, hard-working" minorities? If she wanted to say "I get more working-class white voters," then she could've said that. THAT is what the polling numbers say, not "I get the support of working, hard-working, white Americans."

netweavr: robsul82: netweavr: leperboy69: Nevermind, found it.

What an interesting thing to say.

Clinton rejected any idea that her emphasis on white voters could be interpreted as racially divisive. "These are the people you have to win if you're a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election. Everybody knows that."

Are we talking to each other as adults or as children who freak out when someone says "whites" or "blacks?"

Continue to ignore the actual quote and softening it into "context." The actual quote doesn't mesh it any "subset" apologist thinking. It's a straight line.

It's paraphrasing an AP article.

From the link: Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

Yeah, I know the quote, and I'm going by the quote. Not "subset" whatever when the quote is a straight line.

robsul82:

For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle - as we did in the OJ trial - or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change. -- Sen. Barack Obama

netweavr: burndtdan: netweavr: A) The article doesn't claim she said that.

don't bother noticing the 3 or 4 links to sources that directly quote her saying it.

Amazing how when you don't automatically refresh every second comments appear between the one you're responding to and your response.

just goes to show though...

before writing a rather lengthy retort that "she didn't say that!", you could at least hit up google with the quote and see if she did or not.

robsul82: Yeah, I know the quote, and I'm going by the quote. Not "subset" whatever when the quote is a straight line.

i'd say that probably didn't intend to imply that... but at the same time, no matter what she intended, i think that this type of identity politics is stupid anyways.

i mean... white people? really? hard working people? does she honestly think that she holds some monopoly on white people or people who have to work hard? that's a stupid statement.

netweavr: robsul82:

For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle - as we did in the OJ trial - or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change. -- Sen. Barack Obama

Wow, that's witty. Whitey.

Cagey B: The next person to criticize the events that supposedly happened in the headline better link to another article where she actually is quoted saying that.

-1, subby. Asshat

Check the queue. This article has been submitted with the quote several times. Those didn't get a green, this one did. Subby probably ran out of options.

To find the quote you have to dig real deep. Like Drudge or Politico. You know, obscure stuff.

/not subby. Was red-lit in my attempt.

robsul82: netweavr: robsul82:

For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle - as we did in the OJ trial - or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change. -- Sen. Barack Obama

Wow, that's witty. Whitey.

Cute.

robsul82: Wow, that's witty. Whitey.

It's not Hillary Clinton's fault for talking like this. It's your fault for pointing it out.

robsul82: netweavr: robsul82:

For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle - as we did in the OJ trial - or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change. -- Sen. Barack Obama

Wow, that's witty. Whitey.

Not to mention the quote says "Hillary supporter," not Hillary herself.