Subby, you need smacked.

TFA: People misunderstood that phrase. I was deploring the way in which President Clinton was being treated, vis-à-vis the sex scandal that was surrounding him. I said he was being treated like a black on the street, already guilty, already a perp. I have no idea what his real instincts are, in terms of race.

Meh. He should stick to singing Brown Eyed Girl.

Kyndig: Subby, you need smacked.

TFA: People misunderstood that phrase. I was deploring the way in which President Clinton was being treated, vis-à-vis the sex scandal that was surrounding him. I said he was being treated like a black on the street, already guilty, already a perp. I have no idea what his real instincts are, in terms of race.

I was going to say that until I realized doing so would only legitimize the link by sending it to the commented tab.

Pocket Ninja: Meh. He should stick to singing Brown Eyed Girl.

Or cleaning windows.

/Anyone gotta Woodbine I can bum?

cousin-merle: I was going to say that until I realized doing so would only legitimize the link by sending it to the commented tab.

Well, yes, there is the hint that the subby was trying to imply that Toni thinks that black people are bad, but it isn't really all that far from what she said.

Holy crap! Someone misunderstood someone and then spun that misunderstanding into real facthood. Then people agreed with it and supported it with as many coincidences as possible.

Well, now that I think of it, this is how everything goes.

Hey Toni Morrison, why don't you STFU and go back to writing shiatty books like Beloved.

/worst book I've ever read
//movie was doubly-bad

So the submitter farked up real bad.

I've only heard Republicans use that term for President Clinton.

Of course they mean it in a bad way. He's the first President since Johnson who hasn't ignored the black vote or told them to pound sand.

Whatever she meant, it entered into general society as one thing and stuck, especially with black people. People didn't misunderstand, they just took it how they took it and liked it.

KaponoFor3: /worst book I've ever read
//movie was doubly-bad

What, a naked, screeching, and pregnant Thandie Newton doesn't turn you on?

/the canoe = vagina

DEATH TO SUBBBBBY!

Who gives a fark what Toni Morrison thinks?

KaponoFor3: Hey Toni Morrison, why don't you STFU and go back to writing shiatty books like Beloved.

Good job there, taking apart her argument piece-by-piece.

Toni Morrison needs to go back to writing overrated lackluster prose.

bwesb: Who gives a fark what Toni Morrison thinks?

Well, Time magazine, for one.

"I said he was being treated like a black on the street, already guilty, already a perp."

But he was already guilty. Serveral times over, in fact. What does that do to your metaphor, Toni?

Pocket Ninja Meh. He should stick to singing Brown Eyed Girl.

I crown you the Queen of the Slipstream. the poetic champion, the special rose, the fountain of innocence...

That crack was so good.

/Came here to make a "Doors" based comment.
//My spouse probably would have preferred yours anyway.

GWShenlong05: Good job there, taking apart her argument piece-by-piece.

I don't care about her argument -- she's dead to me. Beloved was a piece of trash.

KaponoFor3: I don't care about her argument -- she's dead to me. Beloved was a piece of trash.

Soooo, you're in this thread for what purpose, exactly?

Not matter how strong the current sentiment for dehumanizing the Clintons may be, I will always be grateful for the Hope Income Tax Credit and Bill's commitment to people power.

GWShenlong05: Soooo, you're in this thread for what purpose, exactly?

Um, to bash Toni Morrison. Duh.

Surrrreeee Toni

The good ol' I'll make the story say what I want it to say, even if it doesn't say it.

I was deploring the way in which President Clinton was being treated,

I am all for misleading headlines that are humors, but headlines that are just done for BS spin are annoying.

Pocket Ninja: Meh. He should stick to singing Brown Eyed Girl.

Or The Bluest-Eyed Girl.

KaponoFor3: Hey Toni Morrison, why don't you STFU and go back to writing shiatty books like Beloved.

/worst book I've ever read
//movie was doubly-bad

So which did you do? Go see the movie of the worst book you had ever read, or read the book of the double-bad movie?

When you make up your troll lies maybe you should think if they make any sense first.

Corvus: When you make up your troll lies maybe you should think if they make any sense first.

Troll lies? Ha, I wish they were troll lies.

Read the book before seeing the movie.

DaNightTripper: "I said he was being treated like a black on the street, already guilty, already a perp."

But he was already guilty. Serveral times over, in fact. What does that do to your metaphor, Toni?

So I guess her point is going after a black person, even if they are guilty, is wrong.


This puts Sharpton's marches into perspective.

KaponoFor3: Um, to bash Toni Morrison. Duh.

:/

You used to be way better than this.

Not that I have fond feelings for Toni Morrison or anything, but usually when I tell someone to STFU, I try to give a compelling reason for it.

Writing a book that you thought was sh*tty, in a thread having to do with her characterization of Bill Clinton, isn't a compelling reason.

GWShenlong05: You used to be way better than this.

LOL, Hey a guy isn't allowed to have fun with his most hated author anymore? It's nothing personal against her... well OK I take that back, maybe it is.

GWShenlong05: Writing a book that you thought was sh*tty, in a thread having to do with her characterization of Bill Clinton, isn't a compelling reason.

Come on now, I know you aren't this uptight. Let's just chalk it up to my instinct to curse Toni Morrison whenever her name is brought up and act like it never happened.

liam76: DaNightTripper: "I said he was being treated like a black on the street, already guilty, already a perp."

But he was already guilty. Serveral times over, in fact. What does that do to your metaphor, Toni?

So I guess her point is going after a black person, even if they are guilty, is wrong.


This puts Sharpton's marches into perspective.

Uh, that's not the point. The point was he was considered guilty before he was proven guilty. Even if he was guilty, that's wrong, period.

Usually in 4th or 5th grade English we learn that you put quotes around things that people said, not things that you think they said, unless you're writing a short story with dialogue.

And I don't think that's what you're doing.

Wait, Bill Clinton isn't black?

bwesb: Who gives a fark what Toni Morrison thinks?

She has her head screwed on, at least as far as this election:

Why did you endorse Barack Obama for the presidency?
I thought about voting for Hillary at the beginning. I don't care that she is a woman. I need more than that. Neither his race, his gender, her race or her gender was enough. I needed something else, and the something else was his wisdom.

I totally respect that, and would respect it equally had she voted for Clinton for that reason. Here is someone who is both female and african american, and is saying "Gender and race mean jack shiat - what matters is what the candidate actually does/says" I wish more people would say that.

Beloved was not a horrible book. Kind of depressing, and parts of it were hard to read because of deliberate misspellings in the dialogue, but really, it was quite decent. I'd much rather struggle through that than read, say, The Sound and the Fury, half of which you can't read because it's written by a retard, and the rest just sucks because Faulkner is just a horrible writer. And it's not that I'm biased against retards in books - Flowers for Algernon was written in the same way for much of it, and was excellent. Faulkner is just a douche.

Now if she'll just explain Beloved.

RemyDuron: Uh, that's not the point. The point was he was considered guilty before he was proven guilty. Even if he was guilty, that's wrong, period.

So the duke lacrosse players were black?


I am sorry but black people don't have a lock on being prejudged by the media. And for her to think of that as the defining "black" experience and limited to black people is telling.

KaponoFor3: Read the book before seeing the movie.

And you said to yourself. "this is the worst book ever! I must go and see the movie!"

I guess I was unfair, you could just be a complete idiot.

TFA: People misunderstood that phrase. I was deploring the way in which President Clinton was being treated, vis-à-vis the sex scandal that was surrounding him. I said he was being treated like a black on the street, already guilty, already a perp. I have no idea what his real instincts are, in terms of race.



So, what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.

KaponoFor3: Come on now, I know you aren't this uptight. Let's just chalk it up to my instinct to curse Toni Morrison whenever her name is brought up and act like it never happened.



[Remove toothpick from mouth]

She probably wear underwear, with dickholes in 'em.

Whoops.



KaponoFor3 = Hatin' ass hater.

Corvus: And you said to yourself. "this is the worst book ever! I must go and see the movie!"

No, it was a class requirement to both read the book and see the movie. We went as a class.

Corvus: I guess I was unfair, you could just be a complete idiot.

Highly unlikely. I'd go out on a ledge and say that I probably am more educated than you are, but I don't really need to break out my e-peen0r for a competition with you.

BoringNickName: bwesb: Who gives a fark what Toni Morrison thinks?

She has her head screwed on, at least as far as this election:


Why did you endorse Barack Obama for the presidency?
I thought about voting for Hillary at the beginning. I don't care that she is a woman. I need more than that. Neither his race, his gender, her race or her gender was enough. I needed something else, and the something else was his wisdom.



I totally respect that, and would respect it equally had she voted for Clinton for that reason. Here is someone who is both female and african american, and is saying "Gender and race mean jack shiat - what matters is what the candidate actually does/says" I wish more people would say that.

Beloved was not a horrible book. Kind of depressing, and parts of it were hard to read because of deliberate misspellings in the dialogue, but really, it was quite decent. I'd much rather struggle through that than read, say, The Sound and the Fury, half of which you can't read because it's written by a retard, and the rest just sucks because Faulkner is just a horrible writer. And it's not that I'm biased against retards in books - Flowers for Algernon was written in the same way for much of it, and was excellent. Faulkner is just a douche.

I like faulkner. His stream of conciousness writing is a bit difficult to read but the over all stories he tries to tell are quitre interesting.

GWShenlong05: She probably wear underwear, with dickholes in 'em.

Yeah that went totally over my head. I'm sure its a reference to something.

GWShenlong05: KaponoFor3 = Hatin' ass hater.

I am a TotalHater for Toni Morrison.

KaponoFor3 if you don't watch Chappelle's Show, then you and I no longer have anything in common.

fosborb: KaponoFor3: /worst book I've ever read
//movie was doubly-bad

What, a naked, screeching, and pregnant Thandie Newton doesn't turn you on?

/the canoe = vagina

Touch me on the insiiiiide!

Bill Clinton was the first black president because he had a thing for fat white chicks.

KaponoFor3: GWShenlong05: She probably wear underwear, with dickholes in 'em.

Yeah that went totally over my head. I'm sure its a reference to something.

GWShenlong05: KaponoFor3 = Hatin' ass hater.

I am a TotalHater for Toni Morrison.



Will you two go ahead and get a room already?

All2morrowsparTs: I like faulkner. His stream of conciousness writing is a bit difficult to read but the over all stories he tries to tell are quitre interesting.

Stream-of-consciousness writing is fine. That's what James Joyce is for. I didn't find Faulkner's story in Sound and Fury interesting at all - typical inbred southern family ends in tragedy, because they're all farked up. He doesn't make you give a crap about any of the characters - _maybe_ Caddy, since she clearly has a good heart but is all screwed up because of her parents and brothers (except Benjy) - but we never hear from her. If you want to read about farked-up southern families and actually _care_ about the characters, go read Tennessee Williams.

/I'll stop threadjacking now....

BoringNickName: Here is someone who is both female and african american, and is saying "Gender and race mean jack shiat - what matters is what the candidate actually does/says" I wish more people would say that.

Of course she would say that. This primary is a win-win for her. There isn't a lot of difference in the advertised policies of either candidate besides race and gender, so that doesn't come into play. What comes into play are some intangibles like wisdom and ability to lead. (Which by the way, are reasons I also support Obama.) That aside, she can throw her support to Obama and not be a misogynist. She can throw her support to Hillary and not be a racist. Try being a white male and choosing between the two. It doesn't matter what my reasons are, someone will peg me either as a he-man woman hater or a Klan member and the truth of the matter is I am neither.

I do find myself thinking prejudicial thoughts from time to time. It has nothing to do with color though. It has more to do with a deep-seated hatred for people who are 2nd and 3rd generation welfare recipients who will never work for any reason. Add to that list people who draw disability who are clearly not disabled. My mind is typically already made up about these people before I ever meet them. And I find I'm typically right about them. They're lazy, stupid, and ungrateful and I cannot bring to mind a synonym for hate that is strong enough to describe my feelings towards these leeches on society.

/My hometown is full of artists.
//All they do is draw checks.