WIN!

The thing I like most about this headline is that leaving the "ry" off the end makes it looks like they're turning their backs on the "clown car" method of overpopulation.

Compassionate conservatism?

From TFA:
"One of the things that disappointed Dr. Dobson was that when the manifesto was initially circulated, no African-American pastors or theologians were on the invite list," he said.

Yeah. That's what it is. Not because Dobson wants to remain a tool for the Republicans. Keep hanging on to your little amount of power you've got left, turd.

Yet more proof that when someone steps back from the illogical blight of boomer-based society, things can be fixed/changed.

Yeah. That's what it is. Not because Dobson wants to remain a tool for the Republicans. Keep hanging on to your little amount of power you've got left, turd.

Turd. Heh heh.

Something_Creative: From TFA:
"One of the things that disappointed Dr. Dobson was that when the manifesto was initially circulated, no African-American pastors or theologians were on the invite list," he said.


I have heard that Dobson loves Nazis.

nyil: Something_Creative: From TFA:
"One of the things that disappointed Dr. Dobson was that when the manifesto was initially circulated, no African-American pastors or theologians were on the invite list," he said.


I have heard that Dobson loves Nazis.

Yeah - Dobson and Co. *love* Nazi's. I think that they appreciate the Nzai drive of breeding as fast as possible.

HA!

To bad the same "tragedy" cannot strike the left.

And the kids warn their elders "We will bury you".

I'll believe it when I see it...

hasty ambush: To bad the same "tragedy" cannot strike the left.

The "LIEbural" Left is known for it's hatred of the poor and love of destruction. These past 8 years of violence prove it!

GERDARMNM LIEBURALS!

I heard about this on NPR earlier this week. I say good on them. Anything to get evangelicals to step away from the brink of politicized faith is a good thing.

One of the reasons I gave up on church, and eventually christianity altogether, was the increasingly right-wing political slant the pastor was putting on his sermons. They went from encouraging forgiveness and equality and philanthropy to preaching the dangers of the homosexual agenda and how our schools are indoctrinating our students into a secular and soulless way of life. Not to mention the BS prosperity doctrine, which I think was cooked up simply to make the richers that attended the church not feel so guilty for having accumulated so much wealth. Especially when the bible pretty clearly states what God thinks of the greedy and wealthy.

As someone who is not a leftist i can confirm the implication in the headline that i hate poor people, helping people in general and America.

B..B..But..

Saiga410: Compassionate conservatism?

Christianity is not supposed to be conservative.

The younger generation finally is getting the numbers it needs to tell their parents to piss off. From most counts, Generation Y is ~6 million shy, population-wise, from the Boomers. In the next couple years the last of the Y-ers hits 18 and has the right to vote. You can especially see this year with record turn outs at the polls, that young people are realizing their voice is getting louder.

My guess is that is will be another 8-10 years before we really start to rally to make changes. From a young age we have seen poverty, famine and destruction around the world, from the News/News Papers/Internet. Things that were crude tools by todays standards.

With the world going to hell in a hand basket, and the older generation pushing it along as quickly as possible, what do you think the younger generations are going to care about? It certainly isn't some gay people.

I really can't wait until this Dobson guy is found with pants down around his ankles in men's bathhouse. It is hard to imagine how someone could focus their whole life to shiatting on others.

Nestea Plunge: hasty ambush: To bad the same "tragedy" cannot strike the left.

O......kay.

ie, Ward Chruchill , Bill Ayers, Wright, Julianne Malveaux, Alexander Cockburn etc, etc, etc

Maybe they've been reading Gandhi?


"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Mohandas Gandhi

"Janice Shaw Crouse, director of the Concerned Women for America's Beverly LaHaye Institute, said the manifesto would confuse Christian voters about the issues that are most important: opposition to abortion and gay marriage."

What a perfect way to sum up the current Evangelical position. Starving children can't hold a candle to a couple of guys getting equal marriage rights.

Anyone have a link to the actual document?

hasty ambush: ie, Ward Chruchill , Bill Ayers, Wright, Julianne Malveaux, Alexander Cockburn etc, etc, etc

Because they were all hypocrites? Preaching tolerance, forgiveness, an compassion while being a hatemonger to anyone different from them???

\Do you have a point?

Shvetz: What a perfect way to sum up the current Evangelical position. Starving children can't hold a candle to a couple of guys getting equal marriage rights.

They just want the children to born and not be gay. After that they're free to suffer all they want. The work of the evangelical is done.

hasty ambush: To bad the same "tragedy" cannot strike the left.

I'm on the left. I'd be willing to raise my taxes so we can pay for all Americans to get universal healthcare, so 18,000 Americans don't have to die every year because they don't have insurance.

How about you?

where's the dude in the opera clapping when you need him.

For both the great headline for smitty and the fact that the damn kids see the light.

Failing_Junk: As someone who is not a leftist i can confirm the implication in the headline that i hate poor people, helping people in general and America.

The headline makes no mention of left nor right. Secondly, it talks about a rift in the Evangelical movement, so unless you agree with the woman below, there's no need to get your panties in a bunch over the headline.

Janice Shaw Crouse, director of the Concerned Women for America's Beverly LaHaye Institute, said the manifesto would confuse Christian voters about the issues that are most important: opposition to abortion and gay marriage.

Shvetz: "Janice Shaw Crouse, director of the Concerned Women for America's Beverly LaHaye Institute, said the manifesto would confuse Christian voters about the issues that are most important: opposition to abortion and gay marriage."

What a perfect way to sum up the current Evangelical position. Starving children can't hold a candle to a couple of guys getting equal marriage rights.

Not to mention they seem to care more for unborn children than ones that already exist and are living in poverty.

Lando Lincoln: Saiga410: Compassionate conservatism?

Christianity is not supposed to be conservative.

Christianity should not have a leaning at all. It just is, no politics needed. But what would you call someone that wants to help out the poor. Gets involved and helps out at missions. Gives to charities but does not think that that should be the role of govt and thinks this needs to be on a person to person basis.

xalres
Not to mention the BS prosperity doctrine, which I think was cooked up simply to make the richers that attended the church not feel so guilty for having accumulated so much wealth. Especially when the bible pretty clearly states what God thinks of the greedy and wealthy.

I'm pretty sure it was cooked up as a way to make a few church leaders very wealthy. "Of course our pastor is rich! He's a man of God!"

Shvetz
What a perfect way to sum up the current Evangelical position. Starving children can't hold a candle to a couple of guys getting equal marriage rights.

Poor kids dying of starvation - sad
Gay guys kissing - tragedy of epic and apocolyptic proportions! OMG! Hellfire and brimstone!

Why do republican Christians like Dobson always talk like they are the only Christians?

ifarkthereforiam
Why do republican Christians like Dobson always talk like they are the only Christians?

Because they're the only true Christians, you heathen!

patrick767: I'm pretty sure it was cooked up as a way to make a few church leaders very wealthy. "Of course our pastor is rich! He's a man of God!"

Oh absolutely. That's how it's used most of the time. They equate being rich with being godly. Since the pastor's rich, he must be pretty damn godly. In fact, he must have a direct line to the Big Man himself, so you should give him as much money as you can so he can put in a good word for you with the HMFIC.

At my old church it was used differently. Since it was in Burbank and a lot of the congregation were pretty well off already, it was used to appease their feelings of guilt, if indeed they had any. After all, money == Godliness so they must be pretty awesome christians to be so blessed.

Saiga410: Lando Lincoln: Saiga410: Compassionate conservatism?

Christianity is not supposed to be conservative.

Christianity should not have a leaning at all. It just is, no politics needed. But what would you call someone that wants to help out the poor. Gets involved and helps out at missions. Gives to charities but does not think that that should be the role of govt and thinks this needs to be on a person to person basis.

Oh please, if that were the case then there would be sermons for Jesus and other things telling them that they should leave things of the government to the government.

xalres: Not to mention the BS prosperity doctrine, which I think was cooked up simply to make the richers that attended the church not feel so guilty for having accumulated so much wealth. Especially when the bible pretty clearly states what God thinks of the greedy and wealthy.

I would have a very hard time sitting quietly through a sermon like that, but then again I think there's a worthwhile argument in that Christianity was fundementally damaged when the graveyards were moved into the city.

So I'm a bit out there already.

Running a-puck: Oh please, if that were the case then there would be sermons for Jesus and other things telling them that they should leave things of the government to the government.

Nice.

hasty ambush: To bad the same "tragedy" cannot strike the left.

It did sometime around 1968.

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR INTOLERANT COUNTRY!!!1

We just may *GASP* start to have a coherent domestic policy of helping the poor instead of yelling "Pull yourself up by the bootstraps!!!" and maybe maybe just only 60 years after some European countries, we may just have universal healthcare...

Damnit, maybe even single payer healthcare, good schools, new and safe infrastructure (maybe even good public transportation infrastructure), caring about our environment...

who knows, we may actually stop being a worldwide joke! :D

Saiga410: Gives to charities but does not think that that should be the role of govt and thinks this needs to be on a person to person basis.

Do you think that Jesus would either oppose or support the government feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless and healing the sick? Just a wild guess. Go on.

Running a-puck: Saiga410: Lando Lincoln: Saiga410: Compassionate conservatism?

Christianity is not supposed to be conservative.

Christianity should not have a leaning at all. It just is, no politics needed. But what would you call someone that wants to help out the poor. Gets involved and helps out at missions. Gives to charities but does not think that that should be the role of govt and thinks this needs to be on a person to person basis.

Oh please, if that were the case then there would be sermons for Jesus and other things telling them that they should leave things of the government to the government.

The church that I am somewhat part of (married the minister's daughter but refuse to join) is not like that. No politics, just love one another and help each other and try your darndest to be good. Not all churches are the caracature that you see them as.

Also, if you are saying we should leave politics out of churches but have them preach what the roles of govt are is injecting politics.

xalres: Not to mention they seem to care more for unborn children than ones that already exist and are living in poverty.

The mantra is "every child deserves a chance unless it involves raising taxes."

Lando Lincoln:
Do you think that Jesus would either oppose or support the government feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless and healing the sick? Just a wild guess. Go on.

My guess would be not oppose but not support having the govt do it (a bit of a non answer but I hope you see where I am going). We have a constitutional republic with certain powers given to the govt. People can be compassionate and still believe in the limited powers of the fed govt.

Saiga410: Gives to charities but does not think that that should be the role of govt and thinks this needs to be on a person to person basis.

Not to sound thick or anything but, what the hell are we paying the gov't for then? I mean, what exactly is the function of government if not to ensure the wellbeing of its citizens? Would you rather have an entire underclass of sick, starving people?

Maybe this is true, but:

-Christian Republicans: 2.3 kids per family

-Liberal Atheists: 1.7 kids per family

-Farkers: Whacking it to Hentai in their parents' basements.

Memes Ate My Balls: The mantra is "every child deserves a chance unless it involves raising taxes."

My mantra goes something like "A free country doesn't force its citizens to be charitable under penalty of jail and asset seizure."

Lando Lincoln: Do you think that Jesus would either oppose or support the government feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless and healing the sick? Just a wild guess. Go on.

Jesus wasn't Robin Hood.

xalres: Not to sound thick or anything but, what the hell are we paying the gov't for then? I mean, what exactly is the function of government if not to ensure the wellbeing of its citizens? Would you rather have an entire underclass of sick, starving people?

Government can't competently issue license plates, and you expect it to ensure the wellbeing of every citizen??

GoldSpider: "A free country doesn't force its citizens to be charitable under penalty of jail and asset seizure."

Which is fine if you're not constantly screeching on behalf of the children with one side of your mouth and denying them food, shelter, and education with the other.

/ And if you eschew government maintained roads
// Don't call 911 either

The Rev. John Huffman, pastor of St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church, a megachurch in Pasadena, Calif., acknowledged the effort lacks participation from blacks and women. But he said the initial signers are a beginning and "anyone can sign on if this resonates with them."

WWJD? Become a self-serving talking head for these pseudo-churches who rob from the stupid and give to themselves. You can't tell me this guy cares about anything else but lining his own pocket and voting for whatever worthless Republican that pretends to practice the preachings of Jesus. DIAF!!!!!PLEASE!