ha ha ha ha ha - what a funny, harmless, little old man

He's not harmless, acanuck. He is more 'personable' than either Obama or Hillary which is the single most important quality a politician can have.

But what is really scary about McCain is his ability to sound reasonable in public, and then turn around and do the opposite. He is actually a more poisonous snake than Bush, because he is much smoother.

Ron Paul Revere: I'll bet dollars to donuts the American people would choose Ron Paul

You are adorable. Don't lose the dream! RELOVEUTION!!!!!

Yesdog: RELOVEUTION!!!!!

More like ЯЗVOlution.

Sgygus: He's not harmless, acanuck. He is more 'personable' than either Obama or Hillary which is the single most important quality a politician can have.

But what is really scary about McCain is his ability to sound reasonable in public, and then turn around and do the opposite. He is actually a more poisonous snake than Bush, because he is much smoother.

thats what i said about bill clinton.

look at the inflation now...

/but but but clintoned

Eh, seems to me the republicans are sacred shiatless of running against Obama...

Hillary was their only real chance of retaining the White House after the cluster fark that was the bush Administration...

Sgygus: He's not harmless, acanuck. He is more 'personable' than either Obama or Hillary which is the single most important quality a politician can have.

he's "aww look at the cute old man" personable. that isn't the same thing.

More "personable" than Obama?

Wow, I must've missed those 30,000-seat rock concert-like rallies for McCain then.

Sgygus: He is more 'personable' than either Obama or Hillary

HAHAHAHA..

He doesn't know what's going on and barely has a plan. Can't tell the difference between terrorists and can't remember things he just fnaibun said.

Personable? You guys have seen him trading quips with Jon Stewart, haven't you?

30,000 seat rock concerts, no. TV sets, he does great.

Sgygus: Personable? You guys have seen him trading quips with Jon Stewart, haven't you?

30,000 seat rock concerts, no. TV sets, he does great.

More personable...THAN OBAMA, which was the entire argument? No.

Oh, come on, America. Let's elect a septuagenarian with Tourette's who admits he knows nothing about economics. It'll be fun!

Sgygus: He's not harmless, acanuck. He is more 'personable' than either Obama or Hillary which is the single most important quality a politician can have.

Obama's seems more real. McCain comes off like an abusive father. Of course he's nice on TV...

And hell no, he isn't "harmless." "Bomb Bomb Bomb Bombbomb Iran" my ass. F*Cking warmongers...

Possible McCain '08 slogans:

Because his prostate is bigger than yours!

Change? I gave my Change to my Grandkids! And they liked it!

Free Buffets for Seniors from 4-5pm except on Sundays!

Experience means you never have to admit you screwed up!

I've got more bombs than I need but not as many bombs as I want!

The Next Would Be President To Die of Old Age! I'm coming after you Bob Dole!

I sold out years ago so I can't do it now!

Sharing your values on my wife's private jet!

Lots of Lobbyists work for me but I don't work for Lobbyists...unless they're really hot!

They can break my arms. They can torture me. But they can't take away the Bush tax cuts that I opposed in 2001!

Victory in Iraq No Matter the Costs - Because I'm not senile or anything!

Iran You're Next! Why? Cuz I saw you on my lawn!

Agents of Intolerance I embrace you!

They may fix my old broken body but they will never find my mind!

Freedom is blowing stuff up for no reason!

fark You! It's my turn!

4 Years Only! I'm too old for this sh*t!

Here's the thing- a Hilary Vs. McCain campaign would be slightly cleaner because one would be hard pressed to dig up any more dirt on either. An Obama Vs. McCain campaign could get ugly just because of Obama's relative newness and who knows what else he has to possibly hide. Now, Hilary might do Obama a favor by hashing out some of his dirt early enough for him to address it before he is officially nominated as the candidate. This would be good for him and us that way debates between he and McCain can focus more on each others policies rather than their skeletons.

and just for the record I would hit:
Obama's wife
McCains wife
McCains daughter
Chelsy
Laura Bush
the Bush twins
and yes, Hilary just because (I'd make her hum hail to the chief while she's- ya know...)

Ron Paul Revere: I'll bet dollars to donuts the American people would choose Ron Paul over that old fartbag

Uh, you mean like in the primaries?

Jeremy Bates: You're not very bright, are you?

Naive maybe, stupid no. I think he overestimates the intelligence of the average American. Ron Paul's a legitimately better choice than John McCain, but you can't scare people into voting for Paul like you can McCain - and in the end your average American votes for who can protect him from what scares him (real or imaginary threats).

MasterThief: Yesdog: RELOVEUTION!!!!!

More like ЯЗVOlution.


Yayevolution?

yarnothuntin: Here's the thing- a Hilary Vs. McCain campaign would be slightly cleaner because one would be hard pressed to dig up any more dirt on either. An Obama Vs. McCain campaign could get ugly just because of Obama's relative newness and who knows what else he has to possibly hide. Now, Hilary might do Obama a favor by hashing out some of his dirt early enough for him to address it before he is officially nominated as the candidate. This would be good for him and us that way debates between he and McCain can focus more on each others policies rather than their skeletons.

and just for the record I would hit:
Obama's wife
McCains wife
McCains daughter
Chelsy
Laura Bush
the Bush twins
and yes, Hilary just because (I'd make her hum hail to the chief while she's- ya know...)

What about the Cheney daughters?

Obama is great on the speechifying;
McCain is not (e.g., starting every damn one with "my friends")
McCain, I suspect, will be better in the debates.
Obama, for all his inexperience, has the youth appeal and the outside-the-beltway appeal, and if things are going reasonably well world-turmoil wise, I think 0bama takes it. McCain is not well liked by the conservative base, and as Obama moves toward the center, he could actually make inroads. However, he must get a conservative dem. on the ticket with him, pref. one with extensive military/policy experience to be able to credibly stand up to McCain should some "crisis" arise in the fall.
/conservative
//likes 0bama
///wouldn't vote for him unless he at least unfarks his tax plan
//fyi-don't think he will actually pull troops out of iraq

BigDamn

Have you seen McCain while being questioned by the press? He's going to collapse when debating someone who won't just reiterate talking points.

BigDamn 2008-05-08 08:01:41 AM
Obama is great on the speechifying;
McCain is not (e.g., starting every damn one with "my friends")
McCain, I suspect, will be better in the debates.
Obama, for all his inexperience, has the youth appeal and the outside-the-beltway appeal, and if things are going reasonably well world-turmoil wise, I think 0bama takes it. McCain is not well liked by the conservative base, and as Obama moves toward the center, he could actually make inroads. However, he must get a conservative dem. on the ticket with him, pref. one with extensive military/policy experience to be able to credibly stand up to McCain should some "crisis" arise in the fall.
/conservative
//likes 0bama
///wouldn't vote for him unless he at least unfarks his tax plan
//fyi-don't think he will actually pull troops out of iraq

On your fyi - that could potentially be true, but I happen to think that if he doesn't pull troops out, there will be a credible reason for it, and we'd get the courtesy of a real explanation.

At this point, Bush could come out and tell us the pure unvarnished truth, and it still wouldn't be believable - what's that saying about fool me once...?

I'm hoping he gets Wesley Clark as the VP.

Am I the only one who felt that McCain on TDS was incredibly awkward? His Dwight Schrute for VP "gag" almost made me too embarassed to watch anymore. He is so lucky Stewart bailed him out.

Jster422: what's that saying about fool me once...?

Er, er, won't get er fooled again.

/In Texas.

dittybopper: MasterThief: Yesdog: RELOVEUTION!!!!!

More like ЯЗVOlution.


Yayevolution?

ELVISLUTION!!

Jon got McCain on that bullshait of his "respectable campaign"

He asked him about that whole "Hamas endorses Obama" spiel McCain was spewing and how did that reflect on his "respectable campaign"

The old man looked like he was trying to crawl under a rock.

Jster422:
On your fyi - that could potentially be true, but I happen to think that if he doesn't pull troops out, there will be a credible reason for it, and we'd get the courtesy of a real explanation.


He's stated repeatedly that he'll leave a fairly large number of troops in Iraq - 80,000 is the last number I heard, which is roughly 2/3 of the troops there after the drawdowns already planned for this summer.

So, yeah, he isn't actually planning on ending the war at all. Makes me like him a bit more, but he shouldn't be making grand statements about pulling out of Iraq and NAFTA when he's on record saying he won't.

/Order of presidential preference - McCain, my cat, a dead squirrel, some Libertarian, Hillary, Obama, a bucket of ketchup, RON PAUL!

luidprand: /Order of presidential preference - McCain, my cat, a dead squirrel, some Libertarian, Hillary, Obama, a bucket of ketchup, RON PAUL!

So your saying there's a chance...


Since nobody has said it yet,

RON PAUL!!

Ron Paul Revere: I said average American, not average Republican. I also said forced to pick, meaning there was no alternative such as just not voting.

So the only way Ron Paul has any chance would be if it was just him and McCain and EVERY American had to cast a vote for one of the two. That's some candidate you got there...

"You know, Ron Paul is still in the race," McCain joked Wednesday during a taping of Comedy Central's "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart."

McCain tried to make a joke by bringing up Paul, but not a single person laughed. And then Jon Stewart said "I like him. He's a very interesting guy." The joke was on McCain.

Video

Ron Paul Revere:
I said average American, not average Republican. I also said forced to pick, meaning there was no alternative such as just not voting.

When you throw anti-war Dems and independents into the mix, the picture changes greatly. I'm absolutely sure they'd rather pick the guy who would definitely end the war rather than the guy who's got a hard-on for starting yet another war. There's also the consideration that either would face a Democratically controlled Congress, so they wouldn't really have to worry too much about the wackier parts of their ideology being instated.

Just ask any Democrat you know who'd they pick between the two and I think you'll find out I'm actually more correct than you might think.

This assumes that people are single-issue voters - ie, stupid. McCain is more liberal than Paul on the following issues: immigration, the economy, foreign relations (in that he wants them), monetary policy, education, religion, abortion, and the environment.

Paul is more liberal than McCain on two issues: Drugs and Iraq.

Since people tend to vote in their best interests, someone who is moderate or more to the left would probably choose McCain.

BilltheThrill: Am I the only one who felt that McCain on TDS was incredibly awkward? His Dwight Schrute for VP "gag" almost made me too embarassed to watch anymore. He is so lucky Stewart bailed him out.

All politicians look bad on those shows. None of them have comedic timing and it always looks so forced.

robsul82: I must've missed those 30,000-seat rock concert-like rallies for McCain then.

You know who else had rock concert-like rallies for thousands...

Sadly, this is our guy for the next 4-8 years.

/and Iraq for the next 100
//America: we get what we deserve

Hang On Voltaire: All politicians look bad on those shows. None of them have comedic timing and it always looks so forced.

Except for Huckabee.

bacccc: /and Iraq for the next 100

/and Barack Obama is a Muslim

Arnold T Pants: "You know, Ron Paul is still in the race," McCain joked Wednesday during a taping of Comedy Central's "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart."

McCain tried to make a joke by bringing up Paul, but not a single person laughed. And then Jon Stewart said "I like him. He's a very interesting guy." The joke was on McCain.

Video

Right, you're more interested in a president that can make The Daily Show crowd laugh.

It all makes sense now.

luidprand: So, yeah, he isn't actually planning on ending the war at all. Makes me like him a bit more

Funny, that's the same reason I despise him.

I wonder if Paul's supporters will create a ruckus at the RNC this summer.

Crunchy Frog, that's a funny pic.

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what my lawn can do for you -- ask how you can get off my lawn."

Crunch61: luidprand: So, yeah, he isn't actually planning on ending the war at all. Makes me like him a bit more

Funny, that's the same reason I despise him.

Nobody running, except RON PAUL!, Kucinich, and whatever idiot the Green party chooses actually plans to end the war. They can't, and it's naive to think that summarily pulling out in the few months of a new presidency wouldn't create a foreign and domestic backlash the likes of which haven't been seen since LBJ's Vietnam policy. Mechanistically alone, it's nigh impossible.

Although it didn't stop them from calling for the war's end while they were running. Standard duplicitousness, like Paul running on fiscal responsibility while doling out pork like bacon was free.

/Hmmmm, free bacon.

USP .45: Right, you're more interested in a president that can make The Daily Show crowd laugh.

Right, you have a reading comprehension problem. It all makes sense now. Seriously, I didn't write anything like that. I don't care if a president can make anyone laugh. Regardless of you reading comprehension problem, I have never said anything of the sort. What I did say is that no one laughed at his joke... because it wasn't funny. Did you laugh? No you didn't...because it wasn't funny. It has nothing to do with the crowd there.

/McCain is the joke.
//You can't read.

Sgygus: He's not harmless, acanuck. He is more 'personable' than either Obama or Hillary which is the single most important quality a politician can have.

But what is really scary about McCain is his ability to sound reasonable in public, and then turn around and do the opposite. He is actually a more poisonous snake than Bush, because he is much smoother.

No one is more personable than Obama, he is messianic. He has constantly given the finger to his own party to appeal across the aisle. Obama and Hilalry talk like they are willing to work, but have done little of it as they are far left, while McCain is Center right.

Blajojavich, D Gov of IL (soon to be indicted) went on the daily show and didn't know it was a comedy show. I know it ain't as funny as hyped, but everyone should know that it is satire/comedy

generaltimmy:
No one is more personable than Obama, he is messianic. He has constantly given the finger to his own party to appeal across the aisle. Obama and Hilalry talk like they are willing to work, but have done little of it as they are far left, while McCain is Center right.


Obama and Hillary are far-left? I mean, I don't follow US domestic politics all that much, but is that a widely held view? As far as I see those two, they're centrist, verging on centre right - but that's a British perspective. American politics is almost unfathomably right wing to us commies.

thatvoiceguy: admits he knows nothing about economics.

As opposed to the Dem front-runners, who equally have no clue but haven't dug themselves far enough out of fairyland to admit they have a problem? Yeah, real argument against McCain there, bud.

//McCain has the most reasonable actual policy history at this point, he's capable of both compromising to get things done and telling his party to go fark itself when appropriate. The main thing Obama has going for him is that he might share these qualities. If not for the weighting of party affiliation and the amazing unpopularity of the republican party, it would be a real uphill battle for the O-man. Luckily for him, we're kind of allergic to the letter 'R' at the moment.

BilltheThrill: Am I the only one who felt that McCain on TDS was incredibly awkward? His Dwight Schrute for VP "gag" almost made me too embarassed to watch anymore. He is so lucky Stewart bailed him out.

Having never seen The Office, I wasn't sure if it was a joke or if Schrute is some governor I've never heard of. I'm guessing much of the audience was in the same boat. Otherwise, I thought he did OK considering he was in front of a fairly left-leaning crowd/host.

Ruz:
Obama and Hillary are far-left? I mean, I don't follow US domestic politics all that much, but is that a widely held view? As far as I see those two, they're centrist, verging on centre right - but that's a British perspective. American politics is almost unfathomably right wing to us commies.

Remember, in America, we have what is globally a center-left party (the Dems) and a center-right party (the Republicans). On average, our Dems are nowhere near as far left as your Lib-Dems and our Repubs are nowhere as far right as your Tories. The confusing difference comes about in issues like socialized medicine, which have been institutions so long in Europe that supporting them is a conservative (small-c, as in traditionalist) move while here, it is liberal (small-l, as in change-oriented), because it requires a complete overhaul of a huge industry.

In addition, right issues there, like nativism, exists both on the left (I'm looking at you, Lou Dobbs and the AFL-CIO) and on the right (Ron Paul and talk radio) while it's counters do as well (Obama and McCain pretty much agree, and the whole issue was sparked because Bush wanted to functionally legalize all immigrants).

I think, because of our two-party system, ideas which are acceptable to the middle propagate at the fringes of a party and then work themselves to the center. Two examples
1 - civil rights, which Truman and then Eisenhower-Nixon strongly pushed for in the fifties, but then were mainstream enough that LBJ, who killed earlier bills, was able to unite with the other party to make them law.
2 - the environment has always been on the left, but the most successful proponents were progressive Republicans - Teddy Roosevelt and Nixon.

In most other countries, where multiple parties are viable on the right and left, there is more visibility to the more extreme ideas, allowing for both full socialism and "wogs-begin-at-Calais" people to get a hearing on par with Labour or the Tories.