McCain and Hillary both seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that the intertubes NEVER forget.

why do they even bother trying to lie?

Hillary is a lot like McCain, and McCain is a lot like Bush.

Why would anyone vote for either one again?

It's going to be very interesting if and when the Dems get their shiat settled and can go toe to toe with McCain. Especially if (when) it's Obama vs. McCain.

Weaver95: why do they even bother trying to lie?

Not everyone surfs the tubes.

Furthermore, critics must hope that their counter message is heard. Do you think that Faux News will ever report on a correction to a lie for a candidate they want to see make it to the election?

McCain absolutely hates to be quoted. Dude whines like no one else when the DNC runs an odd which does nothing but quote him about the war, also.

Weaver95: McCain and Hillary both seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that the intertubes NEVER forget.

why do they even bother trying to lie?

Because folks let them get away with it--as proven by their continuing to be elected to the posts that they hold?

Sadly McCain lost my vote by his own actions and words, as opposed to the Democrats stirring me with messages of hope and promises of a rosy future. It's sad that I can't support the candidate from my own party, but if the RNC won't put someone up there that will actually represent the country's best interests, then as voters we have to have send them a message.

hubiestubert: Because folks let them get away with it--as proven by their continuing to be elected to the posts that they hold?

This is the number one problem with the media, IMO. Rather than confront politicians about their lies, they merely repeat them and say "who knows? it's not for us to say".

When you forget what you said, it is easy to convincingly deny you ever said it.

Worked for Reagan for two terms.

I cannot willingly vote for a man that responded to a foreign policy question with "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran".

I'm sorry. That's not presidential.

oldebayer: When you forget what you said, it is easy to convincingly deny you ever said it.

Worked for Reagan for two terms.

I think he's going to have to go to the Limbaugh route of "I never said it. I never said it. Here's an edited transcript of my show. I never said it. Uh, there's video of me saying it, and the unedited transcript surfaced? Well, that's exactly what I said, but I was talking about something completely different!"

I'm not so sure a President has to have a deep understanding of economics. He has plenty of expert advisers for that. But as a possible future Commander in Chief, his past statements about the Middle East are more than a bit disturbing.

But what do I care? I've never planned on voting for him.

Sgt Otter: I think he's going to have to go to the Limbaugh route of "I never said it. I never said it. Here's an edited transcript of my show. I never said it. Uh, there's video of me saying it, and the unedited transcript surfaced? Well, that's exactly what I said, but I was talking about something completely different!"

As much as you and I can see the folly of such a response, there are some people who will believe it [because they want to believe] or who will walk away from the debate because it is too complicated and/or mean spirited.

In short, people who want to hear it will, people who do not will simply go la-la-la-la-la and close their eyes.


IMHO, the smart people who want reform have always been able to see through this kind of crap, even before the tubes. The tubes just make it easier to catch them and relay that information for all to see.

Epsilon: I'm not so sure a President has to have a deep understanding of economics. He has plenty of expert advisers for that. But as a possible future Commander in Chief, his past statements about the Middle East are more than a bit disturbing.

It's a two part requirement. A good leader not only surrounds themselves with the best experts in their chosen field, but they also follow the advice of those experts.

Hildabest may surround herself with intelligent people, but she is too prideful and stubborn to listen to them when they conflict with one of her own emotionally held beliefs. This is going to come back and bite her in the end.

I personally have the same issue myself with my SO. She points out one thing, but I am so set in another way that her valid points fall on deaf ears. When the end result turns out to be crap, she just says "I told you so". I am learning not to be so stubborn, but it is a process.

Additionally, Hildabest is willing to sacrifice long-term solid solutions in favor of short-term rewards. This is where politics trumps good process. Her gas-tax vacation is such a ploy.

Grandpa is probably just having another 'senior moment.'

Weaver95: McCain and Hillary both seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that the intertubes NEVER forget.

why do they even bother trying to lie?

They both already ceded the average intertube voter to Obama. They are targeting the uniformed voter, which, sadly, makes up the vast majority.

The difference between Hils and Old Man McCain is that Hils knows she said it and is knowingly denying it, thus deliberately lying.

McCain really doesn't recall saying it, and if you showed him the video would no doubt say something like "Who is that old man, and why is he saying those outrageous things?" In other words, he's so senile, he probably doesn't remember what he said fifteen minutes ago.

Either way, neither of them should be President.

Ahh, Daily Kos... I needed my daily dose of bias, hate speech and bigotry. I used to have to mock the people at Stormfront for that but that required actually going to their den of stupidity in order to do it... Now I can just go to fark and have the lefts version of Stormfront delivered to me complete with comments and everything.

randomjsa: Ahh, Daily Kos... I needed my daily dose of bias, hate speech and bigotry. I used to have to mock the people at Stormfront for that but that required actually going to their den of stupidity in order to do it... Now I can just go to fark and have the lefts version of Stormfront delivered to me complete with comments and everything.

I think you say this every time. We get it: You don't like Kos. Fine. Now enough already.

bulldg4life: I cannot willingly vote for a man that responded to a foreign policy question with "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran".

I'm sorry. That's not presidential.

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

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randomjsa: Ahh, Daily Kos... I needed my daily dose of bias, hate speech and bigotry. I used to have to mock the people at Stormfront for that but that required actually going to their den of stupidity in order to do it... Now I can just go to fark and have the lefts version of Stormfront delivered to me complete with comments and everything.

So your opinion about DailyKos invalidates the quotes and links in the article how?

randomjsa: Ahh, Daily Kos... I needed my daily dose of bias, hate speech and bigotry. I used to have to mock the people at Stormfront for that but that required actually going to their den of stupidity in order to do it... Now I can just go to fark and have the lefts version of Stormfront delivered to me complete with comments and everything.

So, just ad hominem, no addressing of the message? At all? Ok, all right then.

/Reality has a well know liberal bias.

randomjsa


i've always found this reaction amusing. putting quotes of what john mccain said online is somehow hatespeech. i guess that's easier than dealing with the fact that mccain is either senile or a pathological liar.

randomjsa: Ahh, Daily Kos... I needed my daily dose of bias, hate speech and bigotry. I used to have to mock the people at Stormfront for that but that required actually going to their den of stupidity in order to do it... Now I can just go to fark and have the lefts version of Stormfront delivered to me complete with comments and everything.

Because Fark never links anything from Free Republic, NRO, etc.

/rollseyes

Didn't Ron Paul already try this?

Bring on the Obama/McCain debates!

DamnYankees: This is the number one problem with the media, IMO.

It's easy to lay the blame at the feet of the media, and they certainly deserve their share of scorn. But save a slice or two of that blame pie for the people on both sides of the aisle who don't hold their own accountable.

It's this simple: if politicians couldn't lie without suffering consequences, they wouldn't lie.

The Why Not Guy: DamnYankees: This is the number one problem with the media, IMO.

It's easy to lay the blame at the feet of the media, and they certainly deserve their share of scorn. But save a slice or two of that blame pie for the people on both sides of the aisle who don't hold their own accountable.

It's this simple: if politicians couldn't lie without suffering consequences, they wouldn't lie. puppies and unicorns would fart rainbows.

FTFY.

oldebayer: When you forget what you said, it is easy to convincingly deny you ever said it.

Worked for Reagan for two terms.

Are you really getting a kick out of some of these replies?

Oh, wait; nevermind....

Weaver95: McCain and Hillary both seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that the intertubes NEVER forget.

why do they even bother trying to lie?

Because, unlike us, most people don't look to the intertubes for news and have really, really short memories. That's why DKos, Freep, and even Fark can be marginalized as "fringe websites"...when doing that basically makes the whole internet fringe...

Gyrfalcon: randomjsa: Ahh, Daily Kos... I needed my daily dose of bias, hate speech and bigotry. I used to have to mock the people at Stormfront for that but that required actually going to their den of stupidity in order to do it... Now I can just go to fark and have the lefts version of Stormfront delivered to me complete with comments and everything.

I think you say this every time. We get it: You don't like Kos. Fine. Now enough already.

28%ers rarely do.

What happens when videos are as easily fake-able (spelling?) as pictures are now? When happens even later on if/when AI can easily fabricate pictures and videos without even having original sources?

Because he knows the media will "forget" when he asks them to.

McCain could go on a rant about how he wants to put the Berlin Wall back up and reestablish the CCCP, and the major media would just say "hey, sometimes you make mistakes when you're a straight talker" and move on to discussing how Obama's second cousin's former roomate's boss's girlfriend broke wind during dinner and "what this means for the Obama campaign".

DOES he support proper table manners, or will he have your children eating dinner off the toilet? News at 11.

Fark comments area: where news makes itself, nearly independent of outside factors.

Pattitler

I see your schwartz is as big as mine...

hubiestubert: It's sad that I can't support the candidate from my own party, but if the RNC won't put someone up there that will actually represent the country's best interests, then as voters we have to have send them a message.

Can I just tip my hat to your attitude? This is citizenship, and I salute it. Hope my fellow Dems would do the same, were the tables turned.

Dinjiin: Weaver95: why do they even bother trying to lie?

Not everyone surfs the tubes.

Furthermore, critics must hope that their counter message is heard. Do you think that Faux News will ever report on a correction to a lie for a candidate they want to see make it to the election?

There you go right here. Even if Kos is big on the Internet, there is that 99.8% of the American population who has no clue what a "DailyKos" is.

Prospero424: discussing how Obama's second cousin's former roomate's boss's girlfriend broke wind during dinner and "what this means for the Obama campaign".

Hey man, this isn't a baseless attack. It's about judgment. And remember, Hillary isn't really attacking Obama about these issues- she just knows the REPUBLICANS will do so in the general election. Yeah...that's the ticket!

/Funny how McCain's "judgment" is somehow irrelevant.

I can not stomach Kos at all it is more biased than fox

SemperLieSuckah: Fark comments area: where news makes itself, nearly independent of outside factors.

bullwrinkle: I can not stomach Kos at all it is more biased than fox

The difference Kos doesn't run around claiming they're 'fair and balanced'

Politicians: who needs comedians?

Dinjiin: Hildabest may surround herself with intelligent people, but she is too prideful and stubborn to listen to them when they conflict with one of her own emotionally held beliefs.

Indeed. Beliefs like "I can still win the nom."

Weaver95: McCain and Hillary both seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that the intertubes NEVER forget. why do they even bother trying to lie?

IlGreven: Because, unlike us, most people don't look to the intertubes for news and have really, really short memories. That's why DKos, Freep, and even Fark can be marginalized as "fringe websites"...when doing that basically makes the whole internet fringe...

All true, but really all tha Dems need to do is TV ad blitzes where they quote McCain ad nauseum. Really, the fact that the internets are around doesn't change that part. McCain is toast - sad, really.

It's always bugged me that the majority of voters don't seem to mind when politicians blatantly lie. The Hillary sniper lie being a recent example, or McCain with his never ending stream of bullshiat (and both of them pandering like hell about the gas tax).

Then it occurred to me why it is people (who aren't mouth breathing morans) give them a pass: people lie. A lot. So if you've ever made up a bullshiat story, stretched the truth hard, or chalk up a few white lies every day, you'll be inclined to cut people who do the same a break, especially if you are in tune with their policies or have a personal liking of their style for some reason. 'So they lied. Everyone lies. Just let it go.'

What I'm saying is, we are doomed.

randomjsa: Ahh, Daily Kos... I needed my daily dose of bias, hate speech and bigotry. I used to have to mock the people at Stormfront for that but that required actually going to their den of stupidity in order to do it... Now I can just go to fark and have the lefts version of Stormfront delivered to me complete with comments and everything.


Unlike that bastion of tolerance, and intellectual discourse over at Free Republic.

It's worse than that. The Magic Mulatto voted to legalize the law that allowed babies who survived the abortion procedure to be put on a shelf to die a slow death. To The Magic Mulatto that's just part of the abortion procedure. To anyone with any sense, that's infanticide (i.e., murder).Link (new window)

DamnYankees: McCain absolutely hates to be quoted. Dude whines like no one else when the DNC runs an odd which does nothing but quote him about the war, also.

The same war Hillary voted for? Ahh I see. How does that shoe feel when it's on the other foot? Not so good eh? STFU and GBTW.

DamnYankees: McCain absolutely hates to be quoted. Dude whines like no one else when the DNC runs an odd which does nothing but quote him about the war, also.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ajm5JTf7jZs

Has anyone mentioned the Queen of Diamonds yet?

Weaver95: McCain and Hillary both seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that the intertubes NEVER forget.

why do they even bother trying to lie?

Because it works. The only people who research what any politician says are people who disagree with that politician. If a politician tells you that your problems are the result of someone else's actions (not your own) most people are glad to believe it. And this goes for ALL political parties.

Hey, it's the Rush Limbaugh strategy. "I never said that!"

Steve Zodiac: If a politician tells you that your problems are the result of someone else's actions (not your own) most people are glad to believe it. And this goes for ALL political parties.

QFT