"He's sick of the battle against Clinton. He wants to get stuck into McCain."

Damn queer! What's next?

I guess "boiling over" counts as change.

Everyone handles frustration in their own way. If he were John McAncient, he'd simply call his wife a coont.

If Obama thinks it's bad now, wait until he gets the nomination and Hillary teams up w/ McCain and Rove to destroy him.

He'll be crumpled in a corner, shaking and sobbing by September.

Anyone heard his speeches the last few days? He's been changing it up - its good stuff.

He's a US Senator, Subtard...that is the big leagues.

I'm not sure I'd call 8 years in the illinois legislature little leagues either...but that's beside the point.

/sorry--the claim that he has less experience than HC is simply not true.
//i guess just because he has never dodged sniper fire he's pretty much just a kid

Mr Pickens, 50, has served three prison terms totalling 13 years, but vowed to change his ways after hearing Mr Obama speak.

He said: "I never voted for a president before. He's for change, which is something I need in my life. Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling T-shirts."

If he's a convicted felon the dumb bastard still can't vote.

sepuku2: If he's a convicted felon the dumb bastard still can't vote.

Doesn't that depends on the state?

submitter: Barak Obama is nearing his "boiling point"

You know, neither he nor his wife is quoted as suggesting a "boiling point." That's the author of the article. Hyperbole and assumption, is there anything you can't do?

sepuku2: Mr Pickens, 50, has served three prison terms totalling 13 years, but vowed to change his ways after hearing Mr Obama speak.

He said: "I never voted for a president before. He's for change, which is something I need in my life. Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling T-shirts."

If he's a convicted felon the dumb bastard still can't vote.

Now that I look it up, it seems only 3 states have a lifetime ban on felons voting. It seems 38 states allow felons to vote once they are done serving their sentence, 9 have a time period after completion, and 3 have a lifetime ban.

DamnYankees: 3 have a lifetime ban

Out of curiosity, which 3?

Kiribub: DamnYankees: 3 have a lifetime ban

Out of curiosity, which 3?

Iowa, Kentucky, Virgina.

DamnYankees: Now that I look it up, it seems only 3 states have a lifetime ban on felons voting. It seems 38 states allow felons to vote once they are done serving their sentence, 9 have a time period after completion, and 3 have a lifetime ban.

Interesting. Your point is made and thanks for the effort.

DamnYankees: Anyone heard his speeches the last few days? He's been changing it up - its good stuff.

got any videos?

sepuku2: DamnYankees: Now that I look it up, it seems only 3 states have a lifetime ban on felons voting. It seems 38 states allow felons to vote once they are done serving their sentence, 9 have a time period after completion, and 3 have a lifetime ban.

Interesting. Your point is made and thanks for the effort.

Reconciliation and learning? In my Fark?

Skail: Reconciliation and learning? In my Fark?

It's Sunday TF. A kinder gentler TF.

sepuku2: Skail: Reconciliation and learning? In my Fark?

It's Sunday TF. A kinder gentler TF.

...as "America the Beautiful" quietly plays in the background and a kitten on stage frolics with a ball of yarn... at least until it hits the main page and someone steps on the kitten. :(

sepuku2: Skail: Reconciliation and learning? In my Fark?

It's Sunday TF. A kinder gentler TF.

Yeah because all the right-wing, religious types are at church right now. I expect things to be back to normal around 3 pm

SnakeLee
Yeah because all the right-wing, religious types are at church right now. I expect things to be back to normal around 3 pm

haha nice. QFT.

3 sounds about right--got to give the time to get to bojangles
;p

Skail: at least until it hits the main page and someone steps on the kitten. :(

You hit the nail on the head.

If he flipped out and went off on the news media and half a dozen pundits and all the stupid inconsequential questions that people question him on...I'd probably be more willing to vote for him.

That'd be f*cking awesome.

Obama is good at rallying the troops. He hasn't yet figured out that once the people are rallied, you need to point them off in a specific direction, and so far he's been careful to avoid that part of it.

Crosshair: Obama is good at rallying the troops. He hasn't yet figured out that once the people are rallied, you need to point them off in a specific direction, and so far he's been careful to avoid that part of it.

that makes absolutely no sense. not even the slightest shred of making sense.

first, by default, he is at least pointing them in the direction of getting him elected, which seems to be working out for him. and beyond that, all i can say is... just because you don't pay enough attention to see, or just don't want to admit to yourself, that he is explicitly trying to point our nation in a different direction, does not mean that it isn't happening. i guess i could start citing statements of obama's that would back up my point, but it's just easier to cite almost everything he has said thus far and leave it to you to actually do your research.

Crosshair: Obama is good at rallying the troops. He hasn't yet figured out that once the people are rallied, you need to point them off in a specific direction, and so far he's been careful to avoid that part of it.

Crosshair: Obama is good at rallying the troops.

Exactly. He's one of the best motivational speakers I've ever seen. The problem is that it's all fluff with no substance. All politicians are guilty of the same thing but Obama is a master at it.

bulldg4life: If he flipped out and went off on the news media and half a dozen pundits and all the stupid inconsequential questions that people question him on...I'd probably be more willing to vote for him.

That'd be f*cking awesome.

That would be played up as a Dean moment. Don't you understand how it works? Politicians must be 'reserved', and not respond to the inane accusations of the talking heads.

Barak Obama is nearing his "boiling point" over questions about his character and judgment. Welcome to the Big Leagues, rookie

What's not big league are the questions that our political process has come to consume in the name of "character" and "judgment". Obama's campaign has been, from the start, about changing the political process so that the BS like this are revealed for what they are, and that the questions that truly matter, and the experiences that truly reveal a person's judgment and character, are put in the forefront. Dismissing virtually all of a person's experiences, votes, statements and stances in favor of what some other person in their life has said, or whether you can have a beer with them, or a million other insignificant ideas that have been propagated over the last few years, deserves to be relegated to the trash heap of history. Hopefully in a few years we will look back upon this time as a joke. We will laugh at how petty the political process used to be.

I hope, but I'm not putting a lot of money on it.

Bored Horde: That would be played up as a Dean moment. Don't you understand how it works? Politicians must be 'reserved', and not respond to the inane accusations of the talking heads.

are you guys actually trying to suggest that the media is anything but in the tank for black power barry?

MIguy: Crosshair: Obama is good at rallying the troops.

Exactly. He's one of the best motivational speakers I've ever seen. The problem is that it's all fluff with no substance. All politicians are guilty of the same thing but Obama is a master at it.

What kind of substance do you think is missing? Care to give an example?

What kind of substance do you think is missing? Care to give an example?

Uh...the guy says change a lot. He talks about hope and uh...he always says change.

He's a US Senator, Subtard...that is the big leagues.

Well... yes and no.

He's a product of the Chicago Democratic machine, and his run for the Senate had a couple of "interesting" incidents, such as his main Democratic rival for the primaries having a meltdown due to a domestic abuse charge, and his Republican opponent (Jack Ryan) having his own sexual brouhaha hit the news at just the right time. His official opponent in the election was Alan Keyes, brought in from out of state to lose dramatically.

So he may have been in the big leagues, but he sorta got there by default, not through hard campaigning. So far, he's been a hothouse flower, politically, and hasn't been in the hotseat on anything like this scale.

"The Rasmussen survey found 56 per cent of voters thought it likely that Obama shares some of his pastor's anti-American views. "

56%?! That's a whole lot of stupid.

Obama cant handle it.

Uh...the guy says change a lot. He talks about hope and uh...he always says change.

Wow. We can sure see you did your homework.

Alphax: "The Rasmussen survey found 56 per cent of voters thought it likely that Obama shares some of his pastor's anti-American views. "

56%?! That's a whole lot of stupid.

I fall into that 56%. Rev Wright isn't anti-America, he's anti-oppressive government. Obama is too.

big leagues...

i would say that wasting Barack Obama's time with questions about patriotism would be like asking Willie Mays to do the clubhouse laundry.

And pretending that Hillary is a viable candidate or a competent person is like rooting for the Cubs. No offense, Chicago.

irockalot:
Very poor troll. 1/10 Nonetheless - heres a serious response anyways.

Uh...the guy says change a lot. He talks about hope and uh...he always says change.

If thats all you have gotten out of the hours of speeches and pages and pages of published articles on his position, experience and policies then that says far more about your comprehension skills then it does about his campaign .

I am often amazed at how stupid people are willing to make themselves sound just to troll a thread.

Shaggy_C: I fall into that 56%. Rev Wright isn't anti-America, he's anti-oppressive government. Obama is too.

True enough. But it seems a lot of people actually buy the 'anti-American' lie. That's VERY distressing.

I don't know, i thought the "uh's" gave away my sarcasm.

hillarymom44: Obama just can't handle it.

GOLLARY!

What do you expect? In his speech on race he talked about how the media (and the rest of the country) could sit and harp about stupid non-issues, or we could have discourse about real issues facing America. Guess which path the media chose?

I'm mad as hell that we've spent the past couple of months talking about endless stupid shiat. I want to know answers to questions like why we need healthcare, or why we need/don't need to stay in Iraq coming from the candidates. The media has been nothing but failure.

hillarymom44: Obama just can't handle it.

The main problem with that cartoon is that despite all that crap attached to Obama, Hillary is STILL BEHIND.

cirby: So far, he's been a hothouse flower, politically, and hasn't been in the hotseat on anything like this scale.

Well I certainly wouldn't call him a hot house flower. There is nothing sheltered about Chitown politics - I don't care how you got into office.

All that said - of course he has never been on a hotseat like this. Neither has Hillary for that matter. I know that she has dealt with a lot of media attacks but this 24/7 blogger news cycle is new to this election.

Both candidates are clearly showing the strain. However it is Hillary who appears to be cracking under the pressure. Obama seems to have a much better understanding of how the internet works. Hillary and Bill keep saying shiat as though nobody can fact check and report on a lie within 10 seconds of it being uttered.

Alphax: True enough. But it seems a lot of people actually buy the 'anti-American' lie. That's VERY distressing.

I think it's a lot smaller than that 56%, but yes, they are out there. But these are people who hate Obama already and just need another excuse to justify it.

irockalot: I don't know, i thought the "uh's" gave away my sarcasm.

oh sorry - big party last night. I'm on the left coast and just woke up.

All sarcasm aside, this is why I am voting for Obama:

Our task is to identify those reforms that have the highest impact on achievement, fund them, and eliminate those programs that don't produce results. We are going to have to take the teaching profession seriously. This means paying teachers what they are worth. There is no reason why an experienced, highly qualified teacher shouldn't earn $100,000. In exchange for more money, teachers need to become more accountable for their performances, and school districts need to have greater ability to get rid of ineffective teachers.

Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.161-163 Oct 1, 2006

irockalot:
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama,



Here's the crazy thing. Obama has a 380-page bestselling book, which despite a nebulous title, is pretty much chock-full of boring policy wonking proposals like you mentioned. Yet we get, time and again, "he doesn't stand for anything at all".