Why the fark isn't this all over CNN? Oh wait, the media is liberal, right? That's why they ignore McCain and constantly attack Obama.

The guy has zero chance in hell of being elected. 3-4 weeks of 1-on-1 coverage versus him and Obama will produce a landslide, for Obama.

I say this as someone who was a staunch supporter of McCain in 2000.

Cheated on his wife, Keating Five, Iraq, Economy... A few well placed ads will destroy him.

McCain garnered voters like me by bucking the tide of psycho-conservatism that was bubbling up 8 years ago. He lost us when he ignored his principles and spoke at Falwell's "college" and backed down on torture legislation.

This race is not nearly as close as any poll or pundit thinks it is. If Obama is the nominee, he'll win. If it's Clinton THEN it'll be close.

McCain had his shot in 2000, that was his time. It's passed him. Time to retire, John Boy.

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The guy has zero chance in hell of being elected. 3-4 weeks of 1-on-1 coverage versus him and Obama will produce a landslide, for Obama.

I've heard it before. Figure out a way to win Ohio and call me. Democrats are going to lose if they make the mistake of taking the 2004 attitude into the election. :-(

Neurochemist: Figure out a way to win Ohio and call me

Let them all become homeless. Check.

NewportBarGuy: Cheated on his wife, Keating Five, Iraq, Economy... A few well placed ads will destroy him.

HAHAHAHA...you are funny!!

You forget that Obama is a terrorist Muslim, hates whites due to his radical preacher's teachings, is a druggie, can't make decisions at 3AM, is just a "babe in the woods" with no experience, etc because that's what I've read and seen on the interwebs & TV!

steelpeg: You forget that Obama is a terrorist Muslim, hates whites due to his radical preacher's teachings, is a druggie, can't make decisions at 3AM, is just a "babe in the woods" with no experience, etc because that's what I've read and seen on the interwebs & TV!

Watch what happens when the nominee is announced. Give it 14 days after that. Grandpa is going back to the home.

The mafia played a large part in the repeal of the Volstead Act. Beat that.

First, he blamed the collapse of the Minnesota I-35 bridge last year on congressional earmarks.

Holy shiat. I-35 goes all the way to MINNESOTA?!

the hicks love any kind of mention of attacking pork, though.

State_College_Arsonist: The mafia played a large part in the repeal of the Volstead Act. Beat that.

The Federal troops that occupied New Orleans used the Mafia (oldest family in the country) as riverfront security, so to speak. During WWII, they also ran security for the NYC docks.

- OR -

"What, no farking ziti?"

It's sad now how the fark politics page has degenerated into nothing but a parroting shill for extreme leftist websites.

I find it sickening that he references the bridge collapse when his "gas tax holiday" will do more to drain road upkeep and repair than anything.

Recently I was listening to an old This American Life show and they had a feature on McCain from his time supporting Dole in Doles run for President. The man they discuss in that piece and the man he is today are two completely different people. McCain sold his soul to Bush in 2000 and there is no coming back. He might have started to regain some respect, but all the sucking up to the Bush loyalists has yet again scrubbed off what he should be and replaced it with what he is. I'll try and find the show number and post it. I think it was a 40s number. It makes you cry for the man.

This mafia line is being taken out of context by everyone. I think his analogy was supposed to bring to mind people like the infamous Al Capone.

Capone ran soup kitchens for the poor along with providing other charitable funding to communities in order to bolster his standing with the average Joe, all while killing people and serving rotgut alcohol through his crime syndicate.

It's not that McCain's wrong. It's that he's a horrible communicator.

Desterion: It's sad now how the fark politics page has degenerated into nothing but a parroting shill for extreme leftist websites.

Extreme leftist websites...like... Yahoo News?

Lenny_da_Hog: This mafia line is being taken out of context by everyone. I think his analogy was supposed to bring to mind people like the infamous Al Capone.

Capone ran soup kitchens for the poor along with providing other charitable funding to communities in order to bolster his standing with the average Joe, all while killing people and serving rotgut alcohol through his crime syndicate.

It's not that McCain's wrong. It's that he's a horrible communicator.

Yeah and Nicky Barnes and Frank Locus did the same thing in new york but still gunned down alot of people and killed lots of people with the wide spread of heroin..

doesnt make the person good either way

Jeremy Bates: wxgeek: Desterion: It's sad now how the fark politics page has degenerated into nothing but a parroting shill for extreme leftist websites.

Extreme leftist websites...like... Yahoo News?

Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Shhhhh, Desterion missed the daily NRO thread.

LOL WUT:
doesnt make the person good either way

Psst. That's the point.

"I'm sure that I can give you a list of projects the Mafia funds, and they would probably be good projects. But I can't give you a justification for the Mafia."

NeauxFear: The Federal troops that occupied New Orleans used the Mafia (oldest family in the country) as riverfront security, so to speak. During WWII, they also ran security for the NYC docks.

-I dunno, wartime security is one thing, but legal booze is pretty damn important.

State_College_Arsonist: -I dunno, wartime security is one thing, but legal booze is pretty damn important.

No doubt, but I'm not sure LCN had anything to do with the repeal of Volstead. I think the repeal was one prong of the federal attack against the 1930s' crime wave (see also: FBI's "refounding"), and bootleg speakeasies were some of the most profitable ventures for those thugs. If anything, most of them would have wanted it to stay illegal, I'd think, for the profit potential.

Of course, I'm basing conclusions about human behavior and politics on logic, so I could be wrong. :)

Trying to politicize the I-35 bridge collapse is in poor taste on both sides.

The evidence suggests the bridge was simply misdesigned, with some of the steel structures too small to bear the load that was put on them, and to make matters worse, they added more concrete than the bridge originally carried, they increased the vehicle weight limits, and traffic on the bridge increased greatly. And some early signs of failure were not properly interpreted by inspection crews.

It's not like the bridge was uninspected, but rather the inspectors didn't see the problems for what they were. It's actually a fairly common problem even among the best and brightest engineers. Take NASA's Mars orbiter, the one that crashed into Mars after an engineer mistook English units for Metric. On the entire trip to Mars, NASA noted they needed to make substantial course corrections, much larger than they anticipated. But at the time, nobody thought to do a detailed investigation into WHY they were drifting so far off course, or they might have discovered that there was a serious mathematical error in their thrust calculations in time to successfully salvage the mission.

And inspection crews certainly weren't simulating the bridge nor were they performing detailed engineering analyses to determine if the specs on the original bridge were sufficient. Inspection crews don't go into that much detail. They look for visual problems and they simply failed to correctly identify warning signs of a potential collapse, even though they documented them photographically.

I don't think money played any substantial role at all. I mean, maybe if they were swimming in cash they might have replaced the bridge just because they had cash and wanted to spend it, but unless they did that, the inspections would have gone just as they did and the bridge would have collapsed just the same.

I guess you gwxgeek: Desterion: It's sad now how the fark politics page has degenerated into nothing but a parroting shill for extreme leftist websites.

Extreme leftist websites...like... Yahoo News?

It's a huffington post article that got fed in through there. Or did you not noticed that?

Desterion: It's sad now how the fark politics page has degenerated into nothing but a parroting shill for extreme leftist websites.

FTFY

/its all about the benjamins pageviews, baby

"I'm sure that I can give you a list of projects the Mafia funds, and they would probably be good projects. But I can't give you a justification for the Mafia. I can't give you a justification for the corruption that's been bred, which has sent members of Congress to the federal prison."



This isn't hard-hitting expose on his secret flaws. This is taking borderline ineloquency and insisting to the readership that it's McCain endorsing the Mafia. This is getting stupid.

Desterion:Or did you not noticed that?

Someone set us up the bomb website.

/loving the <strike> today

NewportBarGuy: Cheated on his wife, Keating Five, Iraq, Economy... A few well placed ads will destroy him.

Seen the recent MoveOn.org spot? They went straight for the jugular. "One Hundred Years" soundbite + the infamous "Johnny Boy hugs Dubya" pic. And the DNC / Obama's campaign haven't even warmed up on him yet.

So he's comparing Congress, which he's part of, to the Mafia?

Riiight...

Wow... comparing Congress to the mafia? The mafiosos are going to be piss when they hear John McCain's being talking so much shiat about them.

You know who else did some good things?

McCain: "I can't give you a justification for the Mafia. I can't give you a justification for the corruption that's been bred, which has sent members of Congress to the federal prison."

What part of that is controversial?

Just about everything in the linked article is blatantly untrue. The Democrats know that neither of their candidates can win on their own merits (or lack thereof); their entire strategy consists of trying to throw dirt at McCain by misquoting him.

Lenny_da_Hog: This mafia line is being taken out of context by everyone. I think his analogy was supposed to bring to mind people like the infamous Al Capone.

Capone ran soup kitchens for the poor along with providing other charitable funding to communities in order to bolster his standing with the average Joe, all while killing people and serving rotgut alcohol through his crime syndicate.

It's not that McCain's wrong. It's that he's a horrible communicator.

I very much intend to vote for the Democrat who wins the nomination, but I am going to have to agree here. McCain has not done anything wrong here. Indeed organized crime to this very day funds good things. It is the price of doing business.

Earmarks are a horrible way to dish out federal money. As they have been historically set up, they are corrupting. If anything they exist so each and every representative can come election day can say look at this money that I brought our district. Never mind all the problems he and the rest of Congress made only lip service to solve. It is mostly a way that incumbents can keep their jobs. That is is also used by leadership to buy votes, etc.



/I am a good fellow and I am getting a kick out of these replies.

tomhath: Just about everything in the linked article is blatantly untrue. The Democrats know that neither of their candidates can win on their own merits (or lack thereof); their entire strategy consists of trying to throw dirt at McCain by misquoting him.

Wow, that's some serious projection there.

What a crap piece of "journalism" this article is. It's sad that many will consider this "news".

Heh.

"America has no native criminal class, except perhaps the Congress."
- Mark Twain

"Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member of Congress.
But I repeat myself."
- Mark Twain, a Biography

"Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer."

John F. Kennedy

"It is only common sense to recognize that the great bulk of Americans, whether Republican or Democrat, face many common problems and agree on a number of basic objectives."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"The future lies with those wise political leaders who realize that the great public is interested more in Government than in politics. The growing independence of voters, after all, has been proven by the votes in every Presidential election since my childhood and the tendency, frankly, is on the increase."
Franklin D. Roosevelt

/i can do this all day

Lenny_da_Hog: This mafia line is being taken out of context by everyone. I think his analogy was supposed to bring to mind people like the infamous Al Capone.

Capone ran soup kitchens for the poor along with providing other charitable funding to communities in order to bolster his standing with the average Joe, all while killing people and serving rotgut alcohol through his crime syndicate.

It's not that McCain's wrong. It's that he's a horrible communicator.

In other words, he's an elitist. In his mind, roads for the unwashed masses are just like Mafia pandering. But tax cuts for the wealthy is good governance.

OMG, The Puffington Host has a hit piece on McCain! I must read and believe every word of it immediately!


/ Is it November yet?

maxx2112: OMG, The Puffington Host has a hit piece on McCain! I must read and believe every word of it immediately!

ZOMG the source means it must be a hit piece!

Elitist dousche.

LocalCynic: maxx2112: OMG, The Puffington Host has a hit piece on McCain! I must read and believe every word of it immediately!

ZOMG the source means it must be a hit piece!

Well, the conclusion is supported by the premise. It is a hit piece, and not a very good one. "OMG does McCain secretly support the mafia?"

If McCain and Obama are the ones who end up running, I hope they try to make some kind of a joint statement against absurd "journalism" like this. This is essentially someone lying to you to try and persuade your vote.

tomhath: McCain: "I can't give you a justification for the Mafia. I can't give you a justification for the corruption that's been bred, which has sent members of Congress to the federal prison."

What part of that is controversial?

Just about everything in the linked article is blatantly untrue. The Democrats know that neither of their candidates can win on their own merits (or lack thereof); their entire strategy consists of trying to throw dirt at McCain by misquoting him.

ironic isnt it

60+ & hicks = McCain demographic
Add pissed off coonts & plumbers/roofers (so called white working class) if Hilda doesn't get the nomination

/these constitute a huge % of those who ACTUALLY vote
/this guy might be senile but thats no disqualification against winning a presidential election
/if Obama is the nominee, expect McCain to be within winning margin

obeymatt [TotalFark] Quote 2008-05-04 11:35:57 AM
"It is only common sense to recognize that the great bulk of Americans, whether Republican or Democrat, face many common problems and agree on a number of basic objectives."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"The future lies with those wise political leaders who realize that the great public is interested more in Government than in politics. The growing independence of voters, after all, has been proven by the votes in every Presidential election since my childhood and the tendency, frankly, is on the increase."
Franklin D. Roosevelt

"There really aren't that many problems in the world, because most people have the same problems."
Agitpop