American statehood is a lot like the mafia... once you're in, no matter how much you want to, you never leave.

/Or was that the Hotel California?

Well 'Bye'.

There has long been talk of Hawai'i sovereignty on groups like alt.native.

Not knowing much about the current status (I last poked around alt.native years ago) I suppose my main question is, how much support does this one group have even among the sovereignty supporters? Are they actually representative, or are they merely one group out of a bunch of competing ones?

Years ago a lot of the discussion was about getting certain perks of recognition as a Native American group (I think that's the right term) similar to other indian nations.

Hmm. Maybe I'll go check out alt.native now and see if there's talk...

...and okay, now having read TFA, it seems that once again it's just people trying to get the same thing that the various Indian nations have, not some crazy brand new never heard of it thing.

I guess the big scary difference is that since Hawaii is islands, they COULD actually secede and try to make a go of it, unlike say the Navajo Nation (being entirely surrounded by the US).

The Kam schools fight has been going on just about forever.

... or at least, that's the Akaka bill. These guys want more than the bill. And, they are just one of many groups.

Hawaii is America's Tibet. Well, without the whole totalitarian thing.

They can always let Japan invade again.

/As it worked so well last time this was tried.
//ungrateful dicks

8 months too many.

Good luck defending yourself against Korea, not mention that a navy that rows pontoon boats, while wearing Puka shells and grass skirts as their only form of body armor, singing about "New Kellog's Puffa Puffa Rice", is not very intimidating.

Even "Magnum" himself, would decide it's a pretty good time to move to North Dakota.

It will never happen.

Hmm. Last time that was tried, it didn't work out so well...


Good luck with that.

"Hurf durf our culture sucks so much we didn't have advanced enough weapons to fend off the relentless march of history and now we're going to take it to the legislature and fail worse than we did in Round 1."

Cut 'em off at the pass and give them to Mexico as punishment.

Groups of locals living under tarps, drinking gin, watching Wheel of Fortune, and flying the Hawaiian flag upside down does not a revolution make.

Is this a real movement like Free Quebec, or like the good ol' boys down south who are still fighting for the confederacy?

Can you really blame them for wanting to leave the United States behind in a cloud of dust? Our leader is a moron with an Oedipus Complex who's destroying the world.

"Master Thief" nailed it on the first trip to the plate, however our own laws permit secession.

Rhode Island, Virginia and New York have clauses in their treaties allowing them to secede; Article 2 Section 7 of the Treaty of Guadeloupe-Hidalgo allows Texas to secede by 2/3 majority vote of the State Legislature.

Men come together and form countries, and men also disband them when they no longer serve a purpose. Just look at any map today and compare it with one a hundred years old, and you see what I mean.

But usually they don't go away very quietly, and that's okay too.

This is bullshiat. Do those assholes realize how many American lives would have been wasted during WW2 if we gave up Hawaii now? No fark that, that's treason.

Good...pay your huge welfare rolls all by yourself...lazy farking hawaiians

netweavr: Hawaii is America's Tibet. Well, without the whole totalitarian thing.

America's Quebec would be more appropriate.

nanded: Is this a real movement like Free Quebec, or like the good ol' boys down south who are still fighting for the confederacy?

how's that whole free quebec thing going anyway? is quebec free yet?

all i know is last time i went there the amount of ridiculously hot french chicks that spoke perfect english with a sexy french accent turned my balls an extremely deep shade of indigo.

1) Hawaii secedes
2) the tourists leave
3) ???
4) Profit!

Something tells me, cunning plan, etc.

If on;y someone would bomb them into submission...

It's a movement based on race hate and revisionist history. They don't have a fat slipper wearing leg to stand on.

they're really taking that sugar bowl loss hard.

damiangerous: netweavr: Hawaii is America's Tibet. Well, without the whole totalitarian thing.

America's Quebec would be more appropriate.

New Mexico is America's Quebec. Hawai'i is America's Nunavut.

Coelacanth: Can you really blame them for wanting to leave the United States behind in a cloud of dust? Our leader is a moron with an Oedipus Complex who's destroying the world.

Wait... when did Bush start banging his mom?

/Or are you saying that Saddam Hussein was his father?

You either fight...
...or you surf!

I've been calling for California and New England to secede for years. Oh, and take Washington DC with you.

Hawaii? notsomuch.

This proves that Barack Hussein Obama HATES America! He was born in Hawaii, which now wants to secede. Surely an honest true American would not be born in such a traitorous location!

VOTE HILLARY/RON PAUL/JON MCCAIN YOU SHEEPLE!!!!112345

Round the bastards up, convict them of treason, shoot 'em and be done with it.

We really got better things to deal with. Really.

Wow. Jingoism, racism, and modern-day imperialism all in one thread. I'm impressed. What's next, Manifest Destiny?

/backing slowly out of this thread before it collapses under its own stench.

I guess this means they will be leaving the WAC

Really? Then our fiscal policy will change altogether? Our interventionist asshatted foreign policy will implode? The Federal Reserve will be sent packing? Unicorns and kittens for everybody?

The EU is, in a way, comprised of states that ues to be nations.

Why not make up nations out of what used to be states?

So far, the enormity of the US has only made it easier to steal a lot more money from the same source.

/tongue
//firmly in cheek

/// : )

ThunderPelvis: Wow. Jingoism, racism, and modern-day imperialism all in one thread. I'm impressed. What's next, Manifest Destiny?

/backing slowly out of this thread before it collapses under its own stench.

and take that vaginism with ya!

Kuta: You either fight...
...or you surf!

Charlie don't surf!

On Jan. 17, 1893, at dusk, Queen Lili`uokalani yielded her throne under protest, with these words:

"I, Lili`uokalani, by the grace of God and under the constitution of the Hawaiian Kingdom, Queen, do hereby solemnly protest against any and all acts done against myself and the constitutional government of the Hawaiian Kingdom by certain persons claiming to have established a Provisional Government of and for this Kingdom.
"That I yield to the superior force of the United States of America, whose Minister Plenipotentiary, His Excellency John L. Stevens, has caused United States troops to be landed at Honolulu and declared that he would support the said Provisional Government.

"Now, to avoid any collision of armed forces and perhaps loss of life, I do, under this protest, and impelled by said forces, yield my authority until such time as the Government of the United States shall, upon the facts being presented to it, undo the action of its representative and reinstate me in the authority which I claim as the constitutional sovereign of the Hawaiian Islands."

Note that the queen surrendered Hawaii's sovereignty not to the revolutionaries but to the "superior force of the United States of America". This firmly put the United States in the legal position of having invaded and overthrown the government of a foreign nation without provocation

The more you know...

torch: Really? Then our fiscal policy will change altogether? Our interventionist asshatted foreign policy will implode? The Federal Reserve will be sent packing? Unicorns and kittens for everybody?

From your lips to God's ear.

I just got back from a holiday there my impression was all the locals are Filipinos

itazurakko: ...and okay, now having read TFA, it seems that once again it's just people trying to get the same thing that the various Indian nations have, not some crazy brand new never heard of it thing.

That's the point I brought up in the thread about this story first breaking. How much more right do the Hawaiians have to their land than the natives of rest of the country? The mainlanders sure as hell aren't going to get (most) of their land back, what makes their claim any different?

ThunderPelvis: Jingo
ThunderPelvis: Wow. Jingoism, racism, and modern-day imperialism all in one thread. I'm impressed. What's next, Manifest Destiny?

/backing slowly out of this thread before it collapses under its own stench.

I know, those ethnocentric Hawaiians are way out of line.

It's a real small minority. There are seperatists all over the world who want their own independent state, without considering the consequences.

um...no. sorry guys but...no. you don't get to leave. you can complain about it as much as you want tho.

Nokaoi:

Too many vowels in Fark handle, FUNNY LOOKING BROWN-PERSON-LIKE TYPING DETECTED!

I think the federal government should spell you, to Hawaii, what will happen if the secede from the union. They will loose federal funding, tourism (which is the biggest industry in Hawaii), and protection from any country that wants to invade. If the native Hawaiians live in poverty, that should be addressed so it can be fixed. However, as history has shown, the native peoples of a land live in poverty and despair, because they have chosen to accept the victim mentality.

Haoie: It's a real small minority. There are seperatists all over the world who want their own independent state, without considering the consequences.

Who is John Galt?

Coelacanth: Can you really blame them for wanting to leave the United States behind in a cloud of dust? Our leader is a moron with an Oedipus Complex who's destroying the world.

Weaver95: Haoie: It's a real small minority. There are seperatists all over the world who want their own independent state, without considering the consequences.

Who is John Galt?

No one in that protest group. That's for sure.

Hawaii has little natural resources, how the hell do they plan to live a modern life like they do now without being part of some other country?

They are a key strategic military point though. Good luck defending yourself as a sovereign nation.

There are a good amount of disgruntled Hawaiians though. If you're not native and you go into the wrong part of town you will get your ass beat.