I'm voting for Cthulu this year.

I like Zombie Ann Richards

No. They still won't matter. Only the superdelegates matter at this point. My party needs a better system.

Game changing in the sense that it won't change anything, and Clinton is still a raging piglet squid.

even the ones who laugh are sometimes caught without an answer.
these creatures who introduce themselves, but we swear we have
met them somewhere before.
yes?
look in the mirror what do you see?
is it a dream or a nightmare?
are we being introduced against our will?
are they mirrors?
i can see the smoke.
i can smell the fire.
the battle is drawing nigh.


/obscure?

Even if Hillary wins both I still do not see what changes. I don't think she is going to switch enough SDs to make a difference

Someone post something about beating a dead horse
/or something

Something something something dark side.

Hang On Voltaire: Even if Hillary wins both I still do not see what changes. I don't think she is going to switch enough SDs to make a difference

If she wins both, Supers can make a claim that Hillary is more electable and vote for her instead of Obama. She'll have the "Momentum"

quickdraw: I like Zombie Ann Richards

I do too, but I just can't support her view on the "EAT BRRRRAAAAAIIIIINNNNNSSS!!!" issue.

Somebody do the 50-50 split on pledged delegate math excluding MI and FL. I came up with 1628 and Obama has 1489, so I think he is like 140 pledged out from taking the nom nom nom...

Next take the last 9 races and give Obama a pessemistic split on them. I think he still goes over the top of 1628, which in turn will put him over 2025 because they are not going to go against the pledged delegates.

//I based this off of some random site by subtracting the total Super Count, less MI and FL, from the 2025. I could be wrong or off but I don't think I am too far off.

Anyone see Howard Dean on The Daily Show last night? I'll sum it up for you:

John Stewart: "No one understands how the Democratic nominating process works. What in the Hell is a superdelegate? How are they chosen? Why do they have so much power in this process? Why is it so confusing? Why don't you simplify the process so that it makes more sense? How about a system where everyone votes and the one with the most votes wins the nomination? Wouldn't that be simpler and more fair?"

Howard Dean: "The Republicans are worse."

Mr. Anon:
If she wins both, Supers can make a claim that Hillary is more electable and vote for her instead of Obama. She'll have the "Momentum"

The Democrats then have a huge conundrum. Hillary, supposedly, can win but if they nominate her they piss off the base. Obama can't win...and he can't...but we have to appease the base.

It's going to be the superest Tuesday EVER!

Hang On Voltaire: Obama can't win...and he can't...but we have to appease the base.

You just keep tellin' yourself that, bub. I still predict a pretty wide GE victory for Obama. The tactics being used against Obama right now will only serve to make him a stronger candidate.

Herman Borrach: Hang On Voltaire: Obama can't win...and he can't...but we have to appease the base.

You just keep tellin' yourself that, bub. I still predict a pretty wide GE victory for Obama. The tactics being used against Obama right now will only serve to make him a stronger candidate.

Yeah, he doesn't have that much of a past from which they can dredge up skeletons. By attacking him so strongly now, they'll run out of material by August. They can keep playing "Goddamn America" all they want, but at some point it just loses its impact.

Actually, subby, the race only matters if Hillary gets knocked out. Which means that it only matters if you DON'T vote for Hillary.

Riche: quickdraw: I like Zombie Ann Richards

I do too, but I just can't support her view on the "EAT BRRRRAAAAAIIIIINNNNNSSS!!!" issue.

You mean the one where she suggests that we crack open the heads of corrupt politicians and feed on the delicious goo inside? That's why I'm voting for her!

mcwebe0: No. They still won't matter. Only the superdelegates matter at this point. My party needs a better system.

It determines HOW MANY superdelegates are needed. They are needed, the question is how many are needed by each candidate. Needing, say, 1 superdelegate is quite different from needing 500 superdelegates.

Herman Borrach:
You just keep tellin' yourself that, bub. I still predict a pretty wide GE victory for Obama. The tactics being used against Obama right now will only serve to make him a stronger candidate.

Obama has lost, for good, the blue collar Democrat vote. I am usually the last to predict an election this early but I think the guy is toast in the fall.

Gosling: It determines HOW MANY superdelegates are needed. They are needed, the question is how many are needed by each candidate. Needing, say, 1 superdelegate is quite different from needing 500 superdelegates.

Right. Barring a very drastic change in the dynamics of the race, that means that Obama will be in a favorable position when all is said and done. The individual primaries will have little impact on that, unless a video of him farking a goat hits the internet.

Hillary, go fark yourself.

Hang On Voltaire: Obama can't win...and he can't

Seriously what is up with this line of reasoning? Is it just that it goes unsaid that Hillary is such a biatch she will take her ball and go home. If/when Obama wins fair and square, shouldn't the ONLY way he fails to unite the party and win over Hillary's base be if she doesn't campaign for him AT ALL? Is there any way she gets away with doing that and remains in the Democratic party?

I don't understand why if Hillary genuinely throws her support behind Obama that the old crones won't vote for him. Or does it just go without saying that she wont?

kennedy311: I'm voting for Cthulu this year.

Why vote for the lesser evil?

Hang On Voltaire: Herman Borrach:
You just keep tellin' yourself that, bub. I still predict a pretty wide GE victory for Obama. The tactics being used against Obama right now will only serve to make him a stronger candidate.

Obama has lost, for good, the blue collar Democrat vote. I am usually the last to predict an election this early but I think the guy is toast in the fall.

No democrat in the last 5 elections has won a majority of the white blue collar vote

/dont let the sniper fire hit you on the way to Iran

Ya these primaries matter... they matter like tits on a hooker with AIDS.

With democrats in complete control this is what you get a cluster fark inefficient system. Just imagine if they controlled The Senate, White House and Congress!!! Terrorists will kill you allah akbar.

Also, Barack wants to enslave the white man and force him to pick cotton vote Hillary! Besides how could you not love this face!

agentxavier: Ya these primaries matter... they matter like tits on a hooker with AIDS.

With democrats in complete control this is what you get a cluster fark inefficient system. Just imagine if they controlled The Senate, White House and Congress!!! Terrorists will kill you allah akbar.

Also, Barack wants to enslave the white man and force him to pick cotton vote Hillary! Besides how could you not love this face!

needs more random capitalization of WORDS!!!

/what the hell does akbar have to do with it
/is it a trap?

DavIng
It was only a matter of time.

Neo? Obama? Neobama?

/It's not knowing the path, it's walking the path

Hang On Voltaire:

Obama has lost, for good, the blue collar Democrat vote. I am usually the last to predict an election this early but I think the guy is toast in the fall.

WHAT!?! You've been predicting an Obama loss for, like, months now! Pre-Wright, pre-"bitter," pre-OJ-instead-of-coffee.

Has anyone heard anything about Liz Edwards going out to stump for Clinton in NC like her campaign hinted a couple weeks ago? Not to threadjack, but pollster.com still has her down by ~ 12%, and I'm wondering where this game changer crap is coming from (besides out her campaign's ass).

Hang On Voltaire: Obama has lost, for good, the blue collar Democrat vote. I am usually the last to predict an election this early but I think the guy is toast in the fall.

I think you underestimate the power of a good message. I don't think Obama's campaign has been damaged much at all by the Wright flap and the 'bitter' stories. His momentum has slowed, sure, but it's too little too late for Clinton. And this is after the 'kitchen-sink' got thrown into the ring.

People will eventually get to compare Obama to McCain directly. That's when the shift will occur. Up until convention time, the polls will be predictable: a two-to-ten point race with either candidate currently in the lead.

Seabon: kennedy311: I'm voting for Cthulu this year.

Why vote for the lesser evil?

Heh.

agentxavier:
With democrats in complete control this is what you get a cluster fark inefficient system. Just imagine if they controlled The Senate, White House and Congress!!! Terrorists will kill you allah akbar.

I get that you're being sarcastic, but doesn't it legitimately say something about the value of political parties that when one takes over all branches, the government becomes less efficient? Can't we tax them into oblivion or something already?

Hang On Voltaire: Obama has lost, for good, the blue collar Democrat vote. I am usually the last to predict an election this early but I think the guy is toast in the fall.

Since you're pretty much always wrong, I look forward to President Obama.

I get that you're being sarcastic, but doesn't it legitimately say something about the value of political parties that when one takes over all branches, the government becomes less efficient? Can't we tax them into oblivion or something already?

To me it seems that when most people enters politics a switch is hit and they turn corrupt =(

Of all the States named after Indians, Indiana is the least creative.

priestrape: Anyone see Howard Dean on The Daily Show last night? I'll sum it up for you:

John Stewart: "No one understands how the Democratic nominating process works. What in the Hell is a superdelegate? How are they chosen? Why do they have so much power in this process? Why is it so confusing? Why don't you simplify the process so that it makes more sense? How about a system where everyone votes and the one with the most votes wins the nomination? Wouldn't that be simpler and more fair?"

Howard Dean: "The Republicans are worse."

Dean's right. The GOP system is utter dumb. When you can all the delegates from a state with less than 40% of the vote, the system is flawed at best.

Neeek: Dean's right. The GOP system is utter dumb. When you can all the delegates from a state with less than 40% of the vote, the system is flawed at best.

Not really, it's reflective of the fact that we are a Federal Republic. Winner takes all makes sense because we are Union of disparate states.

What doesn't make sense really is sending more than 1 delegate. Sending 1 delegate per contest makes sense if it is winner take all. Of course, not as many people would get to partake of the liquor and prostitutes if that were the case.

Please let it end on Tuesday. I know it probably won't, but have mercy dear jeebus or FSM.

Herman Borrach: Hang On Voltaire: Obama can't win...and he can't...but we have to appease the base.

You just keep tellin' yourself that, bub. I still predict a pretty wide GE victory for Obama. The tactics being used against Obama right now will only serve to make him a stronger candidate.

This is what I'm so conflicted about. On the one hand, I see a terrifying replay of 2000 and 2004 about to happen:

Economic conditions that should guarantee a Dem win - CHECK
An unlosable election for the Dem - CHECK
A Dem nominee who is painted as "elitist" despite being far less so than his opponent - CHECK
The Republican offers terrible economic policies that dangle token tax breaks for poor people, while the Dem offers policies that would be better for more people in the long term - CHECK
a Republican candidate who can flip-flop, lie, and basically do what-the-fark-ever he wants and still get fellated by the MSM
a media narrative that has things ass-backwards is being force fed to voters - CHECK
A republican telling people that Dems=9/11!!!11!1!1!! - CHECK
...all seems eerily familiar.

On the other hand:
The problem with John McCain is that just about every good strategy to use against Democrats has already been used by George Bush. Week on nat'l security, they'll raise your taxes, etc. All Obama has to do is run commercials like this:

ANNCR: Here's what John McCain says about Barack Obama
(CLIP of McCain): Dems are bad on issue X
ANNCR: But, wait, havn't we heard these sad lies somewhere else?
(Clip of Bush): Dems are bad on issue X
OBAMA: I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this message, b/c we can't afford four more years of George Bush's failed policies.

so, yeah. who the hell knows what will happen. if America farks this up, we really deserve what we get. But at least in 2012 when gas is $13 a gallon and we're occupying Iran, Syria, Disney Land, and Neptune, I can say "Don't blame me, I voted for Obama."

J. Walter Weatherman:
so, yeah. who the hell knows what will happen. if America farks this up, we really deserve what we get. But at least in 2012 when gas is $13 a gallon and we're occupying Iran, Syria, Disney Land, and Neptune, I can say "Don't blame me, I voted for Obama."

"Don't blame me, I voted for Obama"?

Try, "Don't blame me, I voted for Dukakis". It's way more old-school, and if Dukakis had won there'd be no Bush 1 and therefore no Bush 2.

Of course I say this despite the fact I was 2 years old when Dukakis ran. But it usually gets a chuckle.

Voting For Hillary in NC

Disgruntled Postal Worker: Voting For Hillary in NC

Well, that's nice. As long as you vote for Obama in the general.

Disgruntled Postal Worker: Voting For Hillary in NC

Please tell us why, kind sir.